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2018 Patriots/NFL offseason thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 29, 2018 15:33:01 GMT -5
www.patspulpit.com/2018/8/28/17789948/ex-new-england-patriots-staffer-mike-lombardi-detroit-lions-wide-receiver-golden-tate-trade-targetInteresting. Brown and Roberts for Tate. Sign me up. The Lions must have a massive hole at DT. At the sametime I'm not against guys like Austin Carr and Michael Floyd, both not in the current 53 projections from ESPN for the Saints. Heck wouldn't surprise me to see them pick up two guys if McCarron isn't making the 53 roster. Is Hogan your current #1? If were going off targets and based on the 3rd preseason game which is normally a tune up for the first game I'd say Dorsett is number one, Hogan is your outside guy and Patterson is your number 3. Given the way the offense has ran in the past I'd expect Hogan to receieve less targets than those two. Which is the problem unless Patterson is a totally different WR than the guy I watched for years after we traded the pick that became him. patriotswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/20/are-we-overlooking-cordarrelle-pattersons-potential-impact-as-wr/That kinda sums up what I've seen watching him. Design certain plays for him and he can do well, but he can't run every route or play a large role. That isn't horrible for a 4th or 5th guy, but is very bad for your number 3. It's really going to limit his usefulness. How do you run our quick offense if he can only run a few plays? I think the bigger issue might be Edelman hasn't looked good and Dorsett is unproven. Its why I'd waive guys like Slatter, Allen and Richards so we can keep 5 WRs. If they are looking at Tate it seems they share those worries. That's a long-term move, not just lets get through the first four games or hope Matthews can come back. Brady has always done better with a large amounts of options. Wow the massive surprises in football, who had Dorsett maybe being the most important player for the Patriots?
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 29, 2018 17:39:51 GMT -5
www.patspulpit.com/2018/8/28/17789948/ex-new-england-patriots-staffer-mike-lombardi-detroit-lions-wide-receiver-golden-tate-trade-targetInteresting. Brown and Roberts for Tate. Sign me up. The Lions must have a massive hole at DT. At the sametime I'm not against guys like Austin Carr and Michael Floyd, both not in the current 53 projections from ESPN for the Saints. Heck wouldn't surprise me to see them pick up two guys if McCarron isn't making the 53 roster. Is Hogan your current #1? If were going off targets and based on the 3rd preseason game which is normally a tune up for the first game I'd say Dorsett is number one, Hogan is your outside guy and Patterson is your number 3. Given the way the offense has ran in the past I'd expect Hogan to receieve less targets than those two. Which is the problem unless Patterson is a totally different WR than the guy I watched for years after we traded the pick that became him. patriotswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/20/are-we-overlooking-cordarrelle-pattersons-potential-impact-as-wr/That kinda sums up what I've seen watching him. Design certain plays for him and he can do well, but he can't run every route or play a large role. That isn't horrible for a 4th or 5th guy, but is very bad for your number 3. It's really going to limit his usefulness. How do you run our quick offense if he can only run a few plays? I think the bigger issue might be Edelman hasn't looked good and Dorsett is unproven. Its why I'd waive guys like Slatter, Allen and Richards so we can keep 5 WRs. If they are looking at Tate it seems they share those worries. That's a long-term move, not just lets get through the first four games or hope Matthews can come back. Brady has always done better with a large amounts of options. Wow the massive surprises in football, who had Dorsett maybe being the most important player for the Patriots? The Lions are so thin at DT. Ricky Jean Francois (remember him?) is their number 2. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 29, 2018 18:06:42 GMT -5
Haha ok it makes more sense now, they have a hole at DT maybe bigger than our need at WR. Which is kinda crazy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2018 16:00:58 GMT -5
Reports that WR Leonte Carroo might get cut after two years of doing nothing for the Dolphins. At this point he's likely not a 53 type player, but would seem like a slam dunk type WR for the practice squad. A lot of people thought he was a perfect fit for us two years ago.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 30, 2018 19:17:54 GMT -5
Dwayne Allen is taking a pay cut... haven’t seen the details yet.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2018 6:28:32 GMT -5
Looks like McCarron is making the roster as he didn’t play. Same goes for Hill and Gillislee. I hope these two making it means Bolden is out, but he won’t be. Keeping all those backs means less depth elsewhere and unfortunately that probably means Jason McCourty is getting cut. That’s disappointing, but so would losing one of those young corners. This is really the most interesting roster cutdown in a long time.
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Post by costpet on Aug 31, 2018 7:15:18 GMT -5
I wonder if Jackson could be the next Butler. Rooting for the guy.
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Post by costpet on Aug 31, 2018 7:16:35 GMT -5
I also wonder if they'll put that end around QB sneak play in for Brady. Maybe not.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 31, 2018 7:52:10 GMT -5
I think he deserves a better contract, but I kinda like the incentive-based additions the Pats have done with Gronk the last two years. It seems a good way to align goals after the Pats and Gronk's people have had disagreements over his ability to get back after injuries over the prior few years. A hungry Gronk will go a long way to alleviate WR woes.
It's also funny that every incentive is $1.1M for one more than what he had last year (which was a great year). One percent more playing time, one extra receiving yard, one more touchdown, one more catch. Couldn't they have thrown him a bone and left the catch total incentive at 69 (nice)? It makes them "Not Likely To be Earned" for cap purposes. Also, an All-Pro year like last year doesn't add money, probably same reason.
That said, I think doing the same type of incentives for Brady is actually pretty weird, since getting him to play or aligning goals has never been an issue.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2018 8:25:27 GMT -5
I think he deserves a better contract, but I kinda like the incentive-based additions the Pats have done with Gronk the last two years. It seems a good way to align goals after the Pats and Gronk's people have had disagreements over his ability to get back after injuries over the prior few years. A hungry Gronk will go a long way to alleviate WR woes. It's also funny that every incentive is $1.1M for one more than what he had last year (which was a great year). One percent more playing time, one extra receiving yard, one more touchdown, one more catch. Couldn't they have thrown him a bone and left the catch total incentive at 69 (nice)? It makes them "Not Likely To be Earned" for cap purposes. Also, an All-Pro year like last year doesn't add money, probably same reason. That said, I think doing the same type of incentives for Brady is actually pretty weird, since getting him to play or aligning goals has never been an issue. I’m going to disagree here a little bit. The Patriots have been very fair with Gronk over the years. They signed him to the highest TE contract as soon as possible. His contract seems lower than it is because his base salaries are lower but his signing bonus was good. They’ve also added to it each year now. The guys awesome but also injury prone. He will be the highest paid Tight end again if he’s healthy. He’s also put the team in an impossible situation now with his retirement talk. He’s made it pretty apparent he’s not looking to play that many more years so you can’t extend him with big guarantees and then get screwed when he retires. Brady, I might be only one who likes the incentives. Let’s not fool ourselves. Brady’s career was not trending the right way when they drafted Jimmy G. Then once an heir apparent is in the building Brady rededicates himself and is better than ever. The second that guy leaves he’s skipping all the optional stuff he can and is jet setting around the world when in years past he’d have been in the building. Everyone needs something to motivate them. I doubt the money will motivate Brady, but what may motivate him is the thought that the team might feel he can’t hit those numbers. So the doubt might be the trick. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2018 13:05:19 GMT -5
I think he deserves a better contract, but I kinda like the incentive-based additions the Pats have done with Gronk the last two years. It seems a good way to align goals after the Pats and Gronk's people have had disagreements over his ability to get back after injuries over the prior few years. A hungry Gronk will go a long way to alleviate WR woes. It's also funny that every incentive is $1.1M for one more than what he had last year (which was a great year). One percent more playing time, one extra receiving yard, one more touchdown, one more catch. Couldn't they have thrown him a bone and left the catch total incentive at 69 (nice)? It makes them "Not Likely To be Earned" for cap purposes. Also, an All-Pro year like last year doesn't add money, probably same reason. That said, I think doing the same type of incentives for Brady is actually pretty weird, since getting him to play or aligning goals has never been an issue. I’m going to disagree here a little bit. The Patriots have been very fair with Gronk over the years. They signed him to the highest TE contract as soon as possible. His contract seems lower than it is because his base salaries are lower but his signing bonus was good. They’ve also added to it each year now. The guys awesome but also injury prone. He will be the highest paid Tight end again if he’s healthy. He’s also put the team in an impossible situation now with his retirement talk. He’s made it pretty apparent he’s not looking to play that many more years so you can’t extend him with big guarantees and then get screwed when he retires. Brady, I might be only one who likes the incentives. Let’s not fool ourselves. Brady’s career was not trending the right way when they drafted Jimmy G. Then once an heir apparent is in the building Brady rededicates himself and is better than ever. The second that guy leaves he’s skipping all the optional stuff he can and is jet setting around the world when in years past he’d have been in the building. Everyone needs something to motivate them. I doubt the money will motivate Brady, but what may motivate him is the thought that the team might feel he can’t hit those numbers. So the doubt might be the trick. You are the only one that thinks Brady Career wasn't trending in the right direction! Its called injuries and lack of talent. The year before Jimmy, Gronk went down, we also lost Vereen, then lost Amendola for 25% of the season. That wasn't Brady, that was a lack of talent. Its exactly why I keep saying we need weapons, because if Gronk goes down we don't have the weapons to win without him. I just have to say you are the one fooling yourself! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2018 13:06:39 GMT -5
I’m going to disagree here a little bit. The Patriots have been very fair with Gronk over the years. They signed him to the highest TE contract as soon as possible. His contract seems lower than it is because his base salaries are lower but his signing bonus was good. They’ve also added to it each year now. The guys awesome but also injury prone. He will be the highest paid Tight end again if he’s healthy. He’s also put the team in an impossible situation now with his retirement talk. He’s made it pretty apparent he’s not looking to play that many more years so you can’t extend him with big guarantees and then get screwed when he retires. Brady, I might be only one who likes the incentives. Let’s not fool ourselves. Brady’s career was not trending the right way when they drafted Jimmy G. Then once an heir apparent is in the building Brady rededicates himself and is better than ever. The second that guy leaves he’s skipping all the optional stuff he can and is jet setting around the world when in years past he’d have been in the building. Everyone needs something to motivate them. I doubt the money will motivate Brady, but what may motivate him is the thought that the team might feel he can’t hit those numbers. So the doubt might be the trick. You are the only one that thinks Brady Career wasn't trending in the right direction! Its called injuries and lack of talent. The year before Jimmy, Gronk went down, we also lost Vereen, then lost Amendola for 25% of the season. That wasn't Brady, that was a lack of talent. Its exactly why I keep saying we need weapons, because if Gronk goes down we don't have the weapons to win without him. I just have to say you are the one fooling yourself! I’m not going to argue with you, other than to say I’m far from the only one who thinks that. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2018 13:06:55 GMT -5
On to better news, Jordan Richards is gone!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2018 13:10:55 GMT -5
I have no clue what to make of the final game. Most of it was as you would expect, but then Butler, Valentine and Rivers play. There was no McCarron or Christan Sam.
On a positive note they traded Jordan Richards for a 2020 7th rounder, which is great.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2018 13:15:41 GMT -5
You are the only one that thinks Brady Career wasn't trending in the right direction! Its called injuries and lack of talent. The year before Jimmy, Gronk went down, we also lost Vereen, then lost Amendola for 25% of the season. That wasn't Brady, that was a lack of talent. Its exactly why I keep saying we need weapons, because if Gronk goes down we don't have the weapons to win without him. I just have to say you are the one fooling yourself! I’m not going to argue with you, other than to say I’m far from the only one who thinks that. Yea guys like Felger and Maz. Two years before he took us to the Superbowl, then a crap load of injuries, then Jimmy. Truth is Brady has never been able to win you a title without a good amount of weapons or a great D. The year before Jimmy he didn't have either. Go look Kimbrel Tompkins started 8 games that year, enough said! |
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Post by mobaz on Aug 31, 2018 14:49:46 GMT -5
2013 was a terrible year for the WR crew. Amendola was an injury risk who got injured, Edelman had averaged 180yds per season, then Dobson/Tompkins.
Like Lebron and Kobe, I feel like Brady is dedicated enough to try to add something each year; in 2014/15 he worked on footspeed and nimbleness in/around the pocket. In 2016/2017 he got his long ball mechanics tightened up for the first time ever. Actually I think David Ortiz learning to hit lefties in his last few years is a solid analogy. Don't really feel Brady felt Jimmy's footsteps so much as he wanted another SB run.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 31, 2018 20:47:03 GMT -5
Yeah I have to agree that Jimmy didn't impact Brady much. Brady has always been able to get his motivation going internally and for a long time before JG came along.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 1, 2018 8:21:11 GMT -5
Michael Floyd is available. He at least knows the system a little bit.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2018 13:06:29 GMT -5
I'd add Corey Coleman to the list of guys I'd think about signing to the practice squad.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2018 17:00:51 GMT -5
I'd add Corey Coleman to the list of guys I'd think about signing to the practice squad. Practice squad - it’s worth a shot. Seems like a dummy tho. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 2, 2018 0:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 2, 2018 10:09:21 GMT -5
Sam surprised me because I didn’t know he was hurt. Berrios has been out all summer so that was expected. Grissom had been getting some love so I’m not that shocked he’s on to start. I expect Bolden back as well. They probably didn’t care about who their 8th lineman was after the injuries and figured they’d get someone they cut on the PS. You don’t dress 8 on Sunday anyways |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 2, 2018 11:36:13 GMT -5
Might be interesting to look at Donnel Pumphrey who was cut by the Eagles. A poor man's Darren Sproles, the kind of guy that thrives with the Pats. He has never really been healthy until now. They could probably even use him in the slot until Edelman is back. Or as a 2nd receiving RB with White on 3rd down, while Michel is out.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 2, 2018 11:50:02 GMT -5
I just brought it up because last year they kept 8 guys then brought back Karras right before the opener for a total of 9 guys. Given that I don't think Cannon has played yet, even though he says he'll be ready. I thought they'd carry 8 guys at least to start.
Who has been giving Grissom love? It looks like just another special teams player. I love they kept 5 DE and 4 DT, that just makes sense. No reason to keep 6 DE though and if you wanted too Trent Harris has outplayed Grissom all preseason. I sure hope he makes the practice squad.
Why would you expect Bolden back? By my count they already have 5 special team only type players. They will add a WR for sure. He won't get signed, he'll be available all year if you have injuries.
Still don't understand the Ryan Izzo move. Not sure why they didn't just put him on the IR ending his season. They kept 3 TEs and even if Gronk goes down, he's not the guy to replace him. I would have expected that move if they cut Allen.
Austin Carr survived the first round of cuts, but rumors say they likely cut another WR before the first game. Kendall Wright got cut by the Vikings. He would seem to be a good fit for our offense if you wanted a Vet.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 2, 2018 11:59:50 GMT -5
Might be interesting to look at Donnel Pumphrey who was cut by the Eagles. A poor man's Darren Sproles, the kind of guy that thrives with the Pats. He has never really been healthy until now. They could probably even use him in the slot until Edelman is back. Or as a 2nd receiving RB with White on 3rd down, while Michel is out. Given White and Burkhead, the guy the Eagles cut that I would target is Josh Adams. We need a beast running back more than another very tiny 3rd down back. Overall Jeremy Hill was only so so in the preseason. |
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