2018 Boston Celtics offseason

Per BSJ, C's are talking to Rozier about an extension.

Not sure if it means anything but . . .

What are you asking? Asking about dollars? My guess is they’d try and go about 15-17 per year for 3-4 years. Depends what the owner is willing to do. Regardless, they would probably trade Smart or Rozier next offseason if they extended Rozier. Both of them would be very tradable and having a heftier salary would make it easier in some ways. If Terry signs any extension before October 15 then my guess is he is kept and Marcus is traded.

By "not sure what it means" I was referring to whether it was REAL discussions (ie headed towards a signing) or just the due diligence/respecting the player discussions.

None of us see all 3 being on the roster next year. They wouldn't really be able to trade him (possible but extremely difficult due to poison pill) this year but it would give them the ability to trade a signed Smart or a signed Rozier next offseason.

It's hard because Morris is kind of perfect for this team (irrationally confident tough vet on bench who can get hot on O and D is necessary at playoff time). But between too few minutes and the tax penalty kicking in, don't think he'll make the year.

If I'm Rozier, I'd let it play out if I'm looking for the most money possible. I'd sign a one year deal next year for whoever wants to start me, and prove I deserve starting money. Maybe that's not his motivation though. Hard to know.

If you can sign Rozier to an extension in the 60 to 70 million range, you do it. If you truly want to win Championships and aren't worried about the money it makes a ton of sense! I don't think it would mean Smart is gone either. If you get under this year, you'd have three years till you'd get the highest tax amount. Giving you crazy options. If your the best team our owner would likely be willing to pay the tax money, like Golden States owners. If you aren't you have salary to trade.

I don't understand Butler's outburst. He grabbed a bunch of bench guys and then beat the other 1st teamers. Then he yelled at the GM saying "You $%#@ing need me! You can't win without me!"

Ummm, yeah. That's why they haven't traded you yet. They still want to win so they aren't just dumping you for prospects/picks.

I really am not sure but agree they’d match any one year deal - maybe even any 2 year deal.

A lot of teams will have cap space next year because it’s 4 years after that spike which made teams give our stupid money. I am guessing there will be some huge contracts given but I think teams will also learn. Rozier likely isn’t getting a max contract. He’s not a max guy unless you want to be a mediocre team or you already have young stars like Phoenix, but Phoenix screwed themselves because they kind of had to by extending Booker early. They should have rolled the dice. Rozier would be perfect for them on so many levels.

Giving a guy with a starter ceiling max money is how a lot of mediocre teams screw themselves.

Yeah maybe the whole max contract idea is farfetched in the first place in terms of Rozier, but let's say some team offered Rozier 4/100. I don't know if the Celtics could match that, and I start to definitely wonder if Rozier gets that or close to that.

That's not max level money, but still way out of the Celtics range in terms of dollars, I think. The Celtics better extend him now if they prefer him over Smart someday, or want to keep that option open at least.

I guess it's how you define starter frankly. Given the Talent in the NBA, Rozier is a starting caliber player right now. I guess you could mean above average or on a playoff team, yet he was the starter on a team that was one game from the finals. Rozier could get a max contract not because his ceiling is that of a starter, but more like All-star or close to that level. Given his age and playing time a team can look at Roziers playoff numbers and dream that he gets better. He's been improving every year, so that isn't crazy. He's also young, so a max deal for him is 25% of the cap, not 30% and he's certainly not getting super max money. So he has a decent chance at it if he keeps improving.

At the sametime it would seem foolish to turn down 60 to 70 million if he could get that from the Celtics. He won't get starter minutes again unless an injury happens. Not a lot of restricted free agents get huge offers. Teams prefer unrestricted because teams can't match.

I don't think the Celtics match a max offer,but you never know. Look at the Clippers, they paid Griffin crazy money and then traded him for assets. Danny could do the same thing. I hope he does something because as much as it will suck to see Rozier playing for another team. Getting nothing in return for a player like him will hurt more and just doesn't seem smart.