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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2018 6:45:19 GMT -5
LeBron really should tell the Cavs what he’s doing before the draft (meaning leaving Cleveland or not). Word is he’s telling the Cavs he likes Sexton in the draft. If that’s the case, and he’s leaving after they draft him, then he’s a complete jackass. Sexton isn’t a good pick at 8 in my opinion. Even if he’s somewhat on the fence about staying, he should be telling them to proceed like he’s not, but he won’t do that. Honestly, as a fan of the league, I hope he stays in Cleveland. It’s the best thing for the NBA. I’d rather there be more good teams rather than not and I’d rather there be more continuity so teams can grow as a group and get better. Like watch out for Minnesota and Milwaukee this year if they return largely in tact again. The Cavs and Hornets should get together and make a big move for the sake of each franchise. The Hornets need to hit the reset button and they can’t while they are maxed out and too good to get high picks. The Cavs get: Kemba Walker, Batum and Marvin Williams Hornets get: Number 8 pick, Hill, Smith, Osman, Clarkson and Zizic. Why the Cavs do it: To keep LeBron. Kemba is the Kyrie replacement. Not as good, but he’s a damn good player and adds a much needed play maker and ball handler for LeBron. Marvin Williams is a really good 3 point shooter and would space the floor as a 4 or 5. Playing LeBron, Love and Williams in the front court is an oddly big small ball type lineup that can shoot. Batum is over paid but he’s perfect for a team like the Cavs where he can fill his do it all role off, while not being the focal point. He’s a strong defensive wing that can match up well in today’s NBA and he’s a solid play maker. If they can convince Hood to resign using his bird rights then use the MLE on another good player this team is in business. (Maybe they can even snag Howard after Charlotte buys him out if they can’t trade his expiring contract). Why Charlotte would do it. Kemba is leaving and they should get something for him. Even if they could resign him, they need to start over and now is a great time to do it for various reasons. They don’t get expiring deals but they get deals with only 2 years left instead of 3 years with Batum. The number 8 pick in this draft is valuable; you can get a really good prospect if you don’t screw it up (cough no Tre Young). You move on from Batums terrible contract and giving up Williams isn’t a big deal because he makes you better when you don’t want to be. Unfortunately, the goal now is to turn it over to the young players to develop and to bottom out in the standings. I would immediately release JR Smith and eat the money. Don’t want him around my team. Howard, I would try to trade by the deadline then buy him out if that didn’t work. Hill I’d keep around as a mentor or deal him if the opportunity comes. Charlotte would end up with the 8 and 11 picks this year to put with Monk. Then they’d get really high picks next year and year after. Then their contracts would clear and hopefully they’d have a strong cheap young nucleus and a ton of cap room to make a run in the summer of 2020. Or they could stay the course and be crappy to mediocre for years to come. Trade is below - subtract 1 year from the number below to see how many seasons are left on the up coming deal.  |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 18, 2018 9:57:21 GMT -5
That's a terrible trade for the Hornets there my friend, they literally have no reason to do that other than the pick and even then it's not enough to take all these flat out awful players.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2018 11:58:45 GMT -5
I'm working the phones if I'm Danny. Seeing what Morris can get you. Maybe if Robert William drops to say pick 20, Minny would trade that for Morris. He'd be a good fit there. Williams, Spellman, and Robinson are the three likely targets if you want a big. You can realistically move up for them using Morris or a pick like the Clippers.
Spellman moves a lot better than you'd think given his size. He's kinda what I thought Yabu would be, a very big guy that is athletic. He went from 290 to 254 in a year and wow it changed his game. Reminds me of Perk losing all that weight back in the day.
He might go undrafted but I love Bonzie Colson. He's a 6'5'' PF with a big wingspan that just flat out produced.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 18, 2018 17:59:26 GMT -5
Word is a team is going to give Smart a 1 year deal in the 18m range like the Pacers did with JJ Reddick. Apparently, that may be a trend.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2018 0:18:26 GMT -5
Word is a team is going to give Smart a 1 year deal in the 18m range like the Pacers did with JJ Reddick. Apparently, that may be a trend. You probably take the first rounder unfortunately and let Smart go in that case, I'd think. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2018 0:21:24 GMT -5
Rumors are all over are hearing that LeBron is definitely headed to LA. If that's the the case then I'd think winning isn't the most important aspect for LeBron. Sure, they'd be a top 4 team in the west instantly, but that team still wouldn't have a prayer against GS.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2018 5:38:32 GMT -5
Word is a team is going to give Smart a 1 year deal in the 18m range like the Pacers did with JJ Reddick. Apparently, that may be a trend. You probably take the first rounder unfortunately and let Smart go in that case, I'd think. What first rounder? |
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Post by jmei on Jun 19, 2018 9:42:54 GMT -5
I think he forgot how NBA restricted free agency works. You don’t get a pick for losing an RFA in the NBA.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2018 12:06:15 GMT -5
Word is a team is going to give Smart a 1 year deal in the 18m range like the Pacers did with JJ Reddick. Apparently, that may be a trend. It could make sense for certain teams. I really don't know how to feel about that offer. There are no bad one year deals, it just starts the tax a year earlier. Which could be huge. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2018 13:37:17 GMT -5
I think he forgot how NBA restricted free agency works. You don’t get a pick for losing an RFA in the NBA. Yeap, forgot. My bad. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2018 14:37:30 GMT -5
I love the talk about the Celtics wanting to trade up the board to get Doncic. No way they’d deal Tatum or Brown so who in the heck do you think you can trade to get up there?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2018 14:54:22 GMT -5
I love the talk about the Celtics wanting to trade up the board to get Doncic. No way they’d deal Tatum or Brown so who in the heck do you think you can trade to get up there? Rozier, Sac pick, your first rounder, and Memphis pick maybe? It'd be for most of your draft capital in the next 5 years I'd think. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2018 15:24:30 GMT -5
I love the talk about the Celtics wanting to trade up the board to get Doncic. No way they’d deal Tatum or Brown so who in the heck do you think you can trade to get up there? Rozier, Sac pick, your first rounder, and Memphis pick maybe? It'd be for most of your draft capital in the next 5 years I'd think. If Danny LOVES a player (not convinced it’s Doncic), then I’d be fine dealing all that especially if they are convinced Kyrie is likely to resign. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 19, 2018 16:27:21 GMT -5
Doncic doesn't seem like the kind of player Danny takes, in fact he's the exact opposite of the raw athletic guy Danny can't resist lol.
Ainge is smoke-screening hard right now, there's definitely one dude he loves in this draft.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2018 16:34:43 GMT -5
Doncic doesn't seem like the kind of player Danny takes, in fact he's the exact opposite of the raw athletic guy Danny can't resist lol. Ainge is smoke-screening hard right now, there's definitely one dude he loves in this draft. I don’t know, not all rumors are smoke screens. Remember Jaylen Brown’s name started flying around this time and it seemed like a reach and I remember hating it - despising it actually. Then it happened. Plus, Jimmy Stewart is talking about it and some how this guy knows everything before it happens. He had the Brown and Tatum picks ahead of time and he had the Kyrie trade stuff before anyone else. He has sources some how. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2018 16:36:30 GMT -5
Not saying do this, not even close. You just use Irving as trade bait if you want Donic. Given the team he'd have to play at PG anyway. Trade Irving to Knicks, for 9 and a couple future unprotected picks, then take 9 and other assets to move up to get Donic. That assumes Donic falls into the 5-7 range. At that point moving down a few spots to 9 makes sense for a Kings or Grizz pick for those teams. It doesn't make much sense, but that's how you could do it.
I just don't see it, Donic is an anti Celtic pick. He's not good defensively. I don't see Danny trading the farm for him. More like Bomba or Jackson if they fall in the draft like Winslow did. I really wouldn't expect getting into the top 10. Next year is going to be the year, just too hard when you only have pick 27.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2018 17:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 19, 2018 18:53:04 GMT -5
Let's say DA does love Bamba -- here's an interesting trade scenario for you amateur GMs to dissect: Bos trades LAC future #1 pick + Bos 2018 #1 to LAC for 2018 #1 (#13 overall); then: Bos trades Memphis future #1 + Bos 2018 #1 (#13 overall) to Memphis for 2018 #1 (#4 overall). Rationale: 1) I expect both Memphis & LA would pay a slight premium to have their own picks returned safely to them -- call it the "embarrassment factor." GM's that give away high lottery picks: turn off their fan base; get unemployed. Plus they now are free to rebuild/retool, or full on tank, as they see fit. 2) The deals can be sweetened with a player or pick, if needed. The future LA pick might prove very valuable so I think for LA moving from late lottery to late 1st, is fair value. And they keep pick #12. Likely it would be considered a savvy draft day deal for them. Memphis is taking the bigger drop, from 4 to 13, and likely would require more compensation. So give them more. What say -- Bamba or bust? I love the talk about the Celtics wanting to trade up the board to get Doncic. No way they’d deal Tatum or Brown so who in the heck do you think you can trade to get up there?I posted one reasonable method. Surely there are many others. If the heart is willing ... |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2018 19:28:13 GMT -5
Would be nice to know who they worked out under the radar. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 19, 2018 19:57:01 GMT -5
Wonder if Danny would roll the dice on Mitchell Robinson. He’s a wild card but maybe Horford would be great for him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2018 10:00:13 GMT -5
Can someone explain this deal to me from the Hornets perspective? Couldn’t they have waited until after the draft and had the Nets pick for them at 29? 2 second round picks cost them 17m for 2019-2020. Mozgov sucks.  When the Nets buy out Howard would he fit with the Celtics? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 20, 2018 11:43:15 GMT -5
Yeah that makes no sense unless it's for a first rounder or a future first rounder. Charlotte just flushed 17 million down the toilet. I guess Michael Jordan doesn't care about how he spends his money these days.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2018 11:55:44 GMT -5
Hornets were $750,000 under luxury taxy before the trade for 12 players. This gives them like 8 million to spend and stay under the tax. I don't really agree with it, because next year you have like 17 million more, but that was the reason they did it. That and pick #43 is going to net them a good player.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2018 11:59:07 GMT -5
Wonder if Danny would roll the dice on Mitchell Robinson. He’s a wild card but maybe Horford would be great for him. Maybe if he was there, I think he goes a lot earlier. I think he's like Thon Maker, he'll be taken a lot higher than people project. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2018 12:11:03 GMT -5
I still think it comes down to best player available from this group Donte Divicenzo, Josh Okogie, Jacob Evans, Omari Spellman, Khyrie Thomas, De'Anthony Melton and Rawle Alkins. Heck theres a small chance they are all gone then it might be Grayson Allen, Bruce Brown, or Jalen Brunson.
Reports that the Mavs mighg go after Smart. So he's getting a lot of love. So those defensive guys make a ton of sense and might be best player available anyways. For me Spellman is the wildcard if he's there. I want him. He's not the interior scorer a Carter is right not, but wow he moves so well given his size. Can rebound, play D, block shots, and is a very good shooter. He looks like a small ball center that could actually guard Embiid like Horford.
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