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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 2, 2018 8:47:49 GMT -5
Well, they should get both. Shugart already announced he's leaving Texas.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 2, 2018 8:49:23 GMT -5
I went to Brewster on Wednesday hoping to see Machamer but didn't get to see it. I did see Wendzel though, lol. Cape baseball is fun.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 2, 2018 14:27:26 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jul 2, 2018 15:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 2, 2018 18:49:17 GMT -5
I dont know these guys enough to have any opinion other than it seemed like the Red Sox maximized their position in the draft and resources as best as they could to get as many guys to fill in as possible.
And then sent a few out they'll need to replace, as well.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 2, 2018 18:52:16 GMT -5
For a team working to rebuild a depleted farm system, it's the loss of draft choices that limits what they'll spend, not the money. This really approaches the status of a hard cap on that spending. There is no open marketplace for that talent given those allotments. Yeah, nobody's ever gone over it. It's basically a hard cap. Call up Castillo, get the draft pick bumped back 10 spots, then blow through the cap and give MLB the finger on the way by? |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 2, 2018 19:33:31 GMT -5
Yeah, nobody's ever gone over it. It's basically a hard cap. Call up Castillo, get the draft pick bumped back 10 spots, then blow through the cap and give MLB the finger on the way by? NO! |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 2, 2018 20:31:06 GMT -5
Yeah, nobody's ever gone over it. It's basically a hard cap. Call up Castillo, get the draft pick bumped back 10 spots, then blow through the cap and give MLB the finger on the way by? So you're proposing the Sox blow past the cap so they can call up Rusney Castillo? No thanks. If the Sox are going to go past the highest threshold it better be because they got somebody who can impact them, not so they can promote a 31 year old AAAA backup CF who has shown little other than hitting singles. |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 2, 2018 20:49:46 GMT -5
Alright, sarcasm is clearly lost on you folks. In the context of the sad reality that they are already up against another way to devalue their first round pick.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 2, 2018 23:11:40 GMT -5
Alright, sarcasm is clearly lost on you folks. In the context of the sad reality that they are already up against another way to devalue their first round pick. Sorry. I guess I needed the italics on that one. I still think if the Sox get a guy like Brad Brach they can find a way to squeeze just below the cap. I'm not convinced they're taking a guy who makes big $. Britton doesn't resemble his old self and the guy who I think would be the best rental fit - Soria is a guy I don't think the Sox will blow past the cap for. So I could be very wrong, but I do think the Sox will stay under the cap and keep their pick around 27th next June. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 3, 2018 10:00:20 GMT -5
To clarify, the cap we are talking about here is the draft cap. Once you go more than 5% over, you lose your first-round pick the next year (and at higher levels, you lose your second-round pick as well, then lose two years' worth of first-round picks). We're not talking about the $237M CBT threshold where your first-round pick just moves back 10 spots.
The fact is that losing a first-round pick isn't worth it to sign a number of second- and third-round talents. It just isn't. There has been plenty of research on the success rate of draft picks, and it falls off exponentially as you get even late into the first-round, never mind into later rounds. If trading of all draft picks were allowed and you could accumulate multiple first-round picks, then yeah, that would be a different story, but that would also take the teeth out of the "lose a pick" penalty in the first instance.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 3, 2018 11:14:43 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 3, 2018 15:04:24 GMT -5
The only names I have left on the list that haven't been resolved are Machamer (his bonus), Adrian Torres, and Jeremiah Boyd.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 15:51:02 GMT -5
The only names I have left on the list that haven't been resolved are Machamer (his bonus), Adrian Torres, and Jeremiah Boyd. Reyes, Poland, Wendzel, and Selman gone? EDIT: MLB has Reyes listed at 20k |
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 4, 2018 15:01:34 GMT -5
This video may already be on here so my bad if it is. This was the best video I could find with a little more depth regarding Nick Decker. Kid has a nice swing.
Edit: Random thought popped in my mind watching Decker hit at the newer field in Fort Myers. Why wouldnt all teams copy exact field dimentions of their MLB stadiums (for their minor league stadiums)? At least the field and walls. What better way to determine if a player has a "swing" for your park then knowing before you draft them or in your minor league system? haha
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 15:26:50 GMT -5
This video may already be on here so my bad if it is. This was the best video I could find with a little more depth regarding Nick Decker. Kid has a nice swing. Edit: Random thought popped in my mind watching Decker hit at the newer field in Fort Myers. Why wouldnt all teams copy exact field dimentions of their MLB stadiums? At least the field and walls. What better way to determine if a player has a "swing" for your park then knowing before you draft them? haha He has quite the cannon! |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 4, 2018 16:54:13 GMT -5
This video may already be on here so my bad if it is. This was the best video I could find with a little more depth regarding Nick Decker. Kid has a nice swing. Edit: Random thought popped in my mind watching Decker hit at the newer field in Fort Myers. Why wouldnt all teams copy exact field diment-ions of their MLB stadiums (for their minor league stadiums)? At least the field and walls. What better way to determine if a player has a "swing" for your park then knowing before you draft them or in your minor league system? haha Biggest reason is that most MiLB teams aren't owned by the big league club, and many switch affiliations quite frequently. Even the PawSox haven't been owned by the Red Sox (not sure what the current situation is, partly owned?) Sea Dogs have the maine monster but the field isnt quite the same as Fenway. Different owners but geographically no way could ever be another MLB team. Probably worthwhile to train your LFs there at least to get used to the Monster vs AAA field. The two teams that would be easiest to change affiliation, Salem is owned by the Red Sox, and Greenville I don't think is, but they have the beautiful Fleur Field, a replica of Fenway, but obviously so far away form the Majors that it really doesn't help you that much. I would say that is a stronger relationship than most MLB teams have with their MiLB teams but I could be wrong. Feel free to correct details if any of that is wrong. |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 4, 2018 20:33:15 GMT -5
This video may already be on here so my bad if it is. This was the best video I could find with a little more depth regarding Nick Decker. Kid has a nice swing. Edit: Random thought popped in my mind watching Decker hit at the newer field in Fort Myers. Why wouldnt all teams copy exact field dimentions of their MLB stadiums? At least the field and walls. What better way to determine if a player has a "swing" for your park then knowing before you draft them? haha He has quite the canon! So he's a Biblical scholar? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 20:36:57 GMT -5
So he's a Biblical scholar? No I made a typo didn't mean that |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 4, 2018 20:41:00 GMT -5
So he's a Biblical scholar? No I made a typo didn't mean that I was just pulling your leg. I like to pour [sic] over posts to find amusing typos. There are some really great ones out there. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 4, 2018 22:21:24 GMT -5
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 4, 2018 23:10:37 GMT -5
This video may already be on here so my bad if it is. This was the best video I could find with a little more depth regarding Nick Decker. Kid has a nice swing. Edit: Random thought popped in my mind watching Decker hit at the newer field in Fort Myers. Why wouldnt all teams copy exact field diment-ions of their MLB stadiums (for their minor league stadiums)? At least the field and walls. What better way to determine if a player has a "swing" for your park then knowing before you draft them or in your minor league system? haha Biggest reason is that most MiLB teams aren't owned by the big league club, and many switch affiliations quite frequently. Even the PawSox haven't been owned by the Red Sox (not sure what the current situation is, partly owned?) Sea Dogs have the maine monster but the field isnt quite the same as Fenway. Different owners but geographically no way could ever be another MLB team. Probably worthwhile to train your LFs there at least to get used to the Monster vs AAA field. The two teams that would be easiest to change affiliation, Salem is owned by the Red Sox, and Greenville I don't think is, but they have the beautiful Fleur Field, a replica of Fenway, but obviously so far away form the Majors that it really doesn't help you that much. I would say that is a stronger relationship than most MLB teams have with their MiLB teams but I could be wrong. Feel free to correct details if any of that is wrong. Well said! To be honest that never even crossed my mind regarding the contracts with the minor league teams. In my mind it made some sense to make all of your team's parks to the same specifications where I player can learn to play the wall or on D in particular. Hitting it wouldnt matter so much with the exception of them getting a "feel" for your swing. Considering half the games are at home it matters, but only a little. |
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 4, 2018 23:19:21 GMT -5
This video may already be on here so my bad if it is. This was the best video I could find with a little more depth regarding Nick Decker. Kid has a nice swing. Edit: Random thought popped in my mind watching Decker hit at the newer field in Fort Myers. Why wouldnt all teams copy exact field dimentions of their MLB stadiums? At least the field and walls. What better way to determine if a player has a "swing" for your park then knowing before you draft them? haha He has quite the cannon! He does look like he can throw well. Im not the best judge of this not seeing it all the time, but im surprised he didnt get a little higher grade for it. I think MLB top 200 has him graded at a 55 (20-80 scale), but not like thats the end all be all. However, he is certainly no Vlad Guererro or Rick Ankiel! Ahhh this brings me back. Not to get off subject, but this makes me smile..Greatest inning pitched in MLB history? You decide haha (That cannon though!) |
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 5, 2018 0:18:42 GMT -5
Kind of a random question, but you guys all seem to be on top of this stuff. I looked at the GCL Scores tonight and noticed that Ricardo Cubillan was at 1b even though hes listed as a SS. Is him being the first basemen a testament to the depth in the low minors, a chance to enhance a players versitility or is it just a holdover for injury? Cubillan is just one example, but I have seen this on quite a few occations where players are out of position (at least what I think is out of position). It obviously hurts losing Casas where he would be in GCL, but at the same time we were going to try him at 3b anyways. If depth at 1b in low minors is the issue then hopefully they can clear it up with an international signing or through trade. Keibert Petit seems intriguing to me, and hopefully he is back soon. Still seems rather shallow.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 5, 2018 9:04:41 GMT -5
This video may already be on here so my bad if it is. This was the best video I could find with a little more depth regarding Nick Decker. Kid has a nice swing. Edit: Random thought popped in my mind watching Decker hit at the newer field in Fort Myers. Why wouldnt all teams copy exact field diment-ions of their MLB stadiums (for their minor league stadiums)? At least the field and walls. What better way to determine if a player has a "swing" for your park then knowing before you draft them or in your minor league system? haha Biggest reason is that most MiLB teams aren't owned by the big league club, and many switch affiliations quite frequently. Even the PawSox haven't been owned by the Red Sox (not sure what the current situation is, partly owned?) Sea Dogs have the maine monster but the field isnt quite the same as Fenway. Different owners but geographically no way could ever be another MLB team. Probably worthwhile to train your LFs there at least to get used to the Monster vs AAA field. The two teams that would be easiest to change affiliation, Salem is owned by the Red Sox, and Greenville I don't think is, but they have the beautiful Fleur Field, a replica of Fenway, but obviously so far away form the Majors that it really doesn't help you that much. I would say that is a stronger relationship than most MLB teams have with their MiLB teams but I could be wrong. Feel free to correct details if any of that is wrong. Everyone thought that the PawSox were basically being bought by the MLB org because Lucchino was involved in the group that bought it, but James Skeffington, who passed away shortly after the purchase, was really the driving force. Skeffington's death pushed Lucchino into more of an active role than he otherwise may have been, but still, it's separate ownership. That said, the relationship between the clubs is obviously strong, and the new PawSox stadium is going to mimic Fenway's dimensions, I believe. The relationship with the Portland club is strong (despite the Fisher Cats' best efforts probably). They put up the Maine Monster in left, but they're not going to renovate Hadlock to mimic the dimensions exactly. Salem is owned by FSG, but once you're that far away, who cares? In fact, I'd argue that the mini monster in Greenville is bad for players' development because it encourages RHB to swing for the monster (Michael Chavis was awful about this his first year there, and it was largely responsible for his struggles). Let players develop into the best possible baseball player, not the best possible Fenway Park hitter. Most of these guys aren't going to play for you anyway. |
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