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2018 Draft Signing Period
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 5, 2018 9:05:36 GMT -5
Kind of a random question, but you guys all seem to be on top of this stuff. I looked at the GCL Scores tonight and noticed that Ricardo Cubillan was at 1b even though hes listed as a SS. Is him being the first basemen a testament to the depth in the low minors, a chance to enhance a players versitility or is it just a holdover for injury? Cubillan is just one example, but I have seen this on quite a few occations where players are out of position (at least what I think is out of position). It obviously hurts losing Casas where he would be in GCL, but at the same time we were going to try him at 3b anyways. If depth at 1b in low minors is the issue then hopefully they can clear it up with an international signing or through trade. Keibert Petit seems intriguing to me, and hopefully he is back soon. Still seems rather shallow. There isn't a 1B on the roster who's healthy. Petit appears to be hurt. Hasn't played in over a week. www.soxprospects.com/stats/lineup.php?team=471&year=2018I'm actually kind of surprised they haven't picked up a UDFA to play 1B down there yet. Petit, who spent 3 years in the DSL, doesn't seem to be any great shakes. Maybe they were going to get Casas some time there too. |
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 6, 2018 2:11:14 GMT -5
Kind of a random question, but you guys all seem to be on top of this stuff. I looked at the GCL Scores tonight and noticed that Ricardo Cubillan was at 1b even though hes listed as a SS. Is him being the first basemen a testament to the depth in the low minors, a chance to enhance a players versitility or is it just a holdover for injury? Cubillan is just one example, but I have seen this on quite a few occations where players are out of position (at least what I think is out of position). It obviously hurts losing Casas where he would be in GCL, but at the same time we were going to try him at 3b anyways. If depth at 1b in low minors is the issue then hopefully they can clear it up with an international signing or through trade. Keibert Petit seems intriguing to me, and hopefully he is back soon. Still seems rather shallow. There isn't a 1B on the roster who's healthy. Petit appears to be hurt. Hasn't played in over a week. www.soxprospects.com/stats/lineup.php?team=471&year=2018I'm actually kind of surprised they haven't picked up a UDFA to play 1B down there yet. Petit, who spent 3 years in the DSL, doesn't seem to be any great shakes. Maybe they were going to get Casas some time there too. I did see that Petit was injured while I was checking out the team roster. That is kind of what made me think about 1b there. You see a 6'0" 150 lb player in Cubillan playing 1b there it raises a red flag. It would seem more normal if he had a carrying tool like power, but he doesn't seem to. I very easily could have been overthinking it, but just feels odd. The UDFA route seems logical for sure. My guess is the same that they maybe considered a Petit/Casas platoon of sorts. Maybe this will open up an opportunity to either call up a "more experienced" guy from the DSL, or possibly trying one of the fringy D guys. They certainly have enough catchers that could probably use the ABs even on certain nights. Also, great points on the parks question I had. It certainly didn't cross my mind that the Sox didnt own the fields until you and Widewordofsports pointed it out. Very interesting tidbit as well regarding Chavis! I had no idea whatsoever that he was doing that in his first year. I guess at that age (with any player) you tend to create bad habits, or in this case make a point to smash it over the monster. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 6, 2018 6:37:40 GMT -5
Signing deadline is today.
I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything last minute. Maybe Adrian Torres. Kason Howell as a longshot, but highly unlikely.
Anyone else would be a major surprise.
That said, you have to like what they've done. Signed 26 of their top 28 picks + 31 & 32.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 6, 2018 6:56:49 GMT -5
Very impressive, esp considering 3 of the top 36 picks won't be signing, with a chance to increase to 5 after today.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 6, 2018 9:14:11 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2018 9:32:42 GMT -5
With $16,565 left, we can assume they're done. If anyone would've signed for slot they'd have probably signed by now.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2018 11:49:38 GMT -5
Just read this today in 108 Stitches, Thad Ward used to be a ball boy for the Sox.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 6, 2018 12:21:10 GMT -5
What would you all consider the biggest surprise signing and the one who got away we will regret in a couple of years?
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Post by ramireja on Jul 6, 2018 12:27:39 GMT -5
What would you all consider the biggest surprise signing and the one who got away we will regret in a couple of years? For me, the biggest surprise signing was Brandon Howlett. Northcut was the biggest surprise pick when the draft happened, but I expected him to sign given that we nabbed him in Round 11. As for guys that away....I don't really see any who I think were legitimate candidates to sign. Watson drafted in Round 40 was never a serious candidate to sign. Even guys like Poland, Ronan, and Bliss were probably considered longshots to sign given their selections in the later-ish rounds. I think the only guys that the Sox probably thought they had a fair chance of signing were Nick Lucky and Kason Howell...neither of whom were ranked guys. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 6, 2018 12:41:04 GMT -5
What would you all consider the biggest surprise signing and the one who got away we will regret in a couple of years? For me it was Chris Machamer, college sophomore, reliever who would have started next year in college.A 16th rounder who could have dramatically increased his stock if he stayed in college. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2018 13:16:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Machamer for the money he signed for is really interesting. He basically signed for late sixth-, early seventh-round money even though he'll get two more bites at the apple. He only had to wait until next year, whereas say a Howlett would've had to wait three years.
Disappointed they didn't get Lucky (pun not intended but intentionally left unedited after realizing), if only because that's one we believe they thought was going to sign. You wonder whether he was going to get above slot and, if so, that means they got, say, Machamer instead? But I agree there's no "regret" guy here. There are players who will potentially be very good but who weren't ever going to sign anyway. I don't think "regret not signing" is really not the way to look at it so much as "who we'll wish had signed."
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 6, 2018 13:20:56 GMT -5
What would you all consider the biggest surprise signing and the one who got away we will regret in a couple of years? For me, the biggest surprise signing was Brandon Howlett. Northcut was the biggest surprise pick when the draft happened, but I expected him to sign given that we nabbed him in Round 11. As for guys that away....I don't really see any who I think were legitimate candidates to sign. Watson drafted in Round 40 was never a serious candidate to sign. Even guys like Poland, Ronan, and Bliss were probably considered longshots to sign given their selections in the later-ish rounds. I think the only guys that the Sox probably thought they had a fair chance of signing were Nick Lucky and Kason Howell...neither of whom were ranked guys. I agree on Howlett as the biggest surprise signing. I like his power potential and he looks like he could add another 15 to 20 pounds of muscle as he develops. Howell has a baseball/football background. Perhaps concentrating now on baseball he could develop more rapidly. I agree with your overall premise that there really were not any high ceiling/difficult to sign guys drafted. |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 6, 2018 14:06:57 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why Machemer didn't hold out for a nice round $225,000. He and his agent could see what the Sox had available, and I can't believe that (1) they didn't realize he was the final legitimate signing target; and (2) another $12,000 would have been a deal breaker from the Sox's point of view.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2018 14:26:10 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why Machemer didn't hold out for a nice round $225,000. He and his agent could see what the Sox had available, and I can't believe that (1) they didn't realize he was the final legitimate signing target; and (2) another $12,000 would have been a deal breaker from the Sox's point of view. Yeah, you're kind of right - 213 is such an oddly specific number that there must be a reason for it. It's between the lots for picks 205 and 206 in the 7th round... I dunno. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 6, 2018 14:59:49 GMT -5
Maybe the Sox were offering 200K and they were asking for 225K and they decided to split the difference?
Maybe the Sox see a nice un-drafted FA that they need 138K to sign because 125 just won't do it?
Obviously all this is related to one another to be serious for a moment, but to some extent you have to think the Sox have an assigned value to these guys and they aren't going to throw money at a guy just because they have it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2018 15:46:31 GMT -5
and they aren't going to throw money at a guy just because they have it. Eh, at some point on signing deadline day, it makes sense to throw whatever you have left at a guy if that gets you across the finish line. Signing one last guy for $20k more than you think he's worth is better than not using the $20k. Within reason, of course. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2018 15:49:01 GMT -5
and they aren't going to throw money at a guy just because they have it. Eh, at some point on signing deadline day, it makes sense to throw whatever you have left at a guy if that gets you across the finish line. Signing one last guy for $20k more than you think he's worth is better than not using the $20k. Within reason, of course. When you get down to the last guy, he has quite a bit of leverage in saying "what are you going to do, not spend $20k? Just give it to me and let's play ball." |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 6, 2018 16:04:03 GMT -5
Not Sox-related, but Carter Stewart, Matt McClain, JT Ginn, and Gunnar Hogland did not sign. Braves, Dbacks, Dodgers, and Pirates will all receive picks next year as a result.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 6, 2018 16:34:42 GMT -5
My guess is that in negotiations with Machamer, the Sox may have very well tried to save the extra $15K to sign another guy. Tyler Dearden signed for $140K (15K over) near last year's deadline, and they may have very well put that little bit aside again this year to try and get, say Adrian Torres to sign for a similar bonus. That said, I'm sure if it came down to it and Machamer's camp insisted on the extra amount, the Sox wouldn't lose him over that small a figure.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2018 16:36:10 GMT -5
Not Sox-related, but Carter Stewart, Matt McClain, JT Ginn, and Gunnar Hogland did not sign. Braves, Dbacks, Dodgers, and Pirates will all receive picks next year as a result. Wow, that seems like 4 pretty big screw ups, especially for the guys picked who should have been underslot. I haven't looked into it too much, but that could easily ruin an entire draft if you're counting on signing underslot guys with so much money that could be saved. Instead, all the money is gone. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 6, 2018 17:01:27 GMT -5
My guess is that in negotiations with Machamer, the Sox may have very well tried to save the extra $15K to sign another guy. Tyler Dearden signed for $140K (15K over) near last year's deadline, and they may have very well put that little bit aside again this year to try and get, say Adrian Torres to sign for a similar bonus. That said, I'm sure if it came down to it and Machamer's camp insisted on the extra amount, the Sox wouldn't lose him over that small a figure. Interesting thought. Torres seemed interested to sign, but apparently needed a little more coin. Not sure if that meant the Sox weren't offering the full $125k or he wanted more than that. He's not a ranked guy, so unless the scout saw something he REALLY liked, i doubt they go above $125k, and maybe they don't even think he's worth that much. Who knows. I think Kason Howell might be slightly different. Still not ranked, but a 2 sport athlete who might benefit from focusing on baseball. How much does he want to, though? I'd offer $125K + the $16,565 and see what he says. Decent chance they have doe this already. Disclaimer - I'm no scout and haven't seen these guys play (which, not being a scout, wouldn't make much difference if I had). |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 6, 2018 17:56:02 GMT -5
I believe the signing deadline was 5 pm EST today. It was midnight on deadline days for a number of years. Wasn’t Mookie signed a few minutes before midnight a number of years ago? Edit... yes Mookie was signed for $600 k overslot a few minutes before midnight when negotiations with the immortal Sequenz Golson fell apart (drafted by Steelers in 2nd round as a cornerback and now an unemployed football player). www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2015/07/boston_red_sox_mookie_betts.html |
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 6, 2018 21:16:45 GMT -5
Machamer seems like a bad decision selling himself short, and I sure hope theres a scholarship in it for him. Maybe he felt if he gets to majors one year quicker, if gives him one extra year in prime and matters a lot.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 6, 2018 21:29:28 GMT -5
I believe the signing deadline was 5 pm EST today. It was midnight on deadline days for a number of years. Wasn’t Mookie signed a few minutes before midnight a number of years ago? Edit... yes Mookie was signed for $600 k overslot a few minutes before midnight when negotiations with the immortal Sequenz Golson fell apart (drafted by Steelers in 2nd round as a cornerback and now an unemployed football player). www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2015/07/boston_red_sox_mookie_betts.htmlGolson might be my favorite person of all time for not signing. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 6, 2018 22:13:25 GMT -5
Being a successful reliever in college has to be you ticket to the majors. Think about how hard it is to crack the starting rotation in baseball or other positions but there must be proof if your a reliever you have a better chance of getting to the show. Therefore that’s why a kid would maybe sign with a club for less than others. Just a thought.
By the way I am so pumped over this draft and the talent signed ,can you imagine if we had a high bonus pool?
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