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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 2, 2018 7:18:31 GMT -5
All joking a side great game By Hayward! Almost had a triple double. Hayward had a great game finally. I don’t expect it to the the new norm yet but it shows us that the old Hayward may be right around the corner.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2018 15:22:01 GMT -5
Can we move on from the Kyrie talk? I mean if we want to mention it, fine but let’s refrain from big “statistical” breakdowns and deep dive narratives. If you want to believe this team is better without him go for it. Most, not all people, will disagree and the fact is we will never know. Teams are living breathing things and they are ever evolving. I’m sure if this team goes on a huge run and continues to play like it did last night it will be despite Kyrie not because of him or it will be because he magically became a better player and change his game. Whatever... it’s becoming repetitive; i really don’t even read the posts anymore. I don't have anything else to say, what I wanted has happened and the teams play has improved as a result. Time to start talking about Robert Williams because hopefully by the playoffs he can become an option for this team. He adds something major to this team. Things like our up coming draft picks and how the Clippers lead the West deserve some more mention. I will say to clear things up mainly because you keep acting like I don't like Irving or I want him gone. I like Irving, heck I love Irving the scorer and love the effort he's shown on D so far. If you notice I haven't talked about trading Irving or I want him gone. Just I want Irving to fit into our Style, rather than Irving wanting his teammates to play his way. That is how we reach our full potential. I do think this will be the turning point of the season. I give major props to Irving admitting and accepting what was crystal clear. He can't be both the top scorer and run the offense all by himself. It's so pronounced it's crazy. This team leading through 3 quarters with Irving shooting 33% is a very good thing. The fact that Irving, Hayward, Smart, and Rozier had 25 assists alone which is more than the team averages per game is awesome. That's how this team needs to play and all the good points make me overlook all those 3 point attempts. Mainly because they didn't need to shoot lights out to score 118 points and they have started to get more FTs. Let's just hope that Brown returning doesn't eat into Smarts or Roziers minutes. You need those two playing 50 minutes a night and having one of them on the court most of the time.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 4, 2018 8:55:04 GMT -5
This will improve as Hayward gets back into form and Tatum steps it up further. Tatum started slow and has been a lot better lately and I expect him later in the year to really turn on his aggressiveness.
I’m concerned about Brown and even Horford. Brown is young so who knows. Al though hasn’t been the same guy he was last year. He was one of the best defensive players last year and it’s just not the same.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 4, 2018 11:23:53 GMT -5
Man if I could choose one guy in the entire NBA I'd like to have on the Celtics right now, that guy would be Jokic. I absolutely love his game. Love every single part of it, even his (somewhat underrated) defense. Besides he's such a goofy dude and he's prone to LOLtastic plays, at the end of yesterday's Nuggets game he put up an absolute howler of a 3 after being fouled and somehow it went in and his reaction was just as priceless.
We're missing a crazy likable person, the only one on the team right now is Smart. Danny needs to trade for an Euro weirdo.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2018 13:18:43 GMT -5
As gifted as Tatum is, rather than spending time with Kobe. I'd love to see him spend some time with Pierce. Learn his full arsenal of up fakes and how to draw fouls like crazy. Knowing Pierce he'd love that.
Horford advanced defensive numbers are the best of his career. His offensive numbers are way down because he was shooting so many threes. Yet his offensive numbers have been good since the change. Giving you 20 and 15 points, his first 20 point game of the year.
The big thing I notice is Baynes. Last year he had just about an even breakdown of play eith 10-19 minutes or 20 or more minutes. When we played smaller teams he played less, and more against bigger teams. That wasn't happening a lot this year, the majority of his games is 10-19 minutes. He seems to be the one guy Stevens is not playing as much to get other guys minutes. The only issue is that makes us a much smaller team. That first Jazz game he played what 7 minutes we got out rebounded by 20 against maybe the biggest starting lineup in the game. Things like that are why I say too much talent can be a bad thing. You need Baynes playing 20 minutes a game against teams that start legit centers and power forwards like the Jazz. Give Stevens credit as Baynes only 3 20 plus minutes games have come in the last 5 games. At the same time injuries have made that easier of late.
I don't worry about Brown, I actually like the idea of bringing him off the bench and playing him with Rozier. It's just going to make getting everyone minutes again hard. I'd reduce his minutes, I hate to say that but I don't see what else to do. Smart, Rozier, and Baynes have to play. Morris is a better fit playing with Irving and you really don't want Irving, Morris, and Brown playing major minutes together.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 4, 2018 16:27:59 GMT -5
I totally didn’t include the image on my last post 🤦🏻♂️/ not sure I can find it again as I deleted my photos
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 6, 2018 16:23:10 GMT -5
985thesportshub.com/2018/12/06/celtics-guard-terry-rozier-i-want-everything-i-deserve/"I want everything I deserve," Rozier said in an exclusive with The Athletic. "And I’m going to get everything I deserve. Like I said, I’ve been around this game long enough to see how both sides work, and that’s why it helped me make my decisions." "I just want to play. Play and have fun. Put a smile on my face," Rozier, averaging just over 22 minutes per night through 23 games this season, said. "Terry’s at his best when he’s smiling. Everybody knows that. I like to smile, have fun, stuff like that. I’m always going to play for the name on the front, not the name on the back." I mean, it's great that Rozier has so much confidence in himself, but the guy just needs to probably just stop talking and just play out the year. Jesus dude we get it, you think you're a starter. Most of us agree. We are trying to win a freaking title. Suck it up for a year dude. This is getting annoying.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2018 8:29:57 GMT -5
I know the Knicks suck, but I think I’m ready to declare the Celtics are back. The problem is their slow start is going to cost them home court. Let’s hope they can at least get to be the 2 seed.
It’s no coincidence that Jaylen Brown had his best game when HE decided to get aggressive. Went it the line 9 times and hit 7 of them. That’s all on him not anyone else to play that way and he needs to understand he’s not that good otherwise. Don’t get me wrong, he can be a great player, but for him to be great he needs to be super aggressive. Some guys forget that and think they can just get by on skill and natural ability. He can’t, Smart can’t, Rozier can’t, Morris cant. They need that extra aggression and effort every night.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2018 12:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 7, 2018 13:00:27 GMT -5
So not only has Kyrie carried this team offensively through the season so far, most of the roster has been a complete non factor, if not a complete net negative on offense.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 7, 2018 13:57:52 GMT -5
It’s no coincidence that Jaylen Brown had his best game when HE decided to get aggressive. Went it the line 9 times and hit 7 of them. That’s all on him not anyone else to play that way and he needs to understand he’s not that good otherwise. Don’t get me wrong, he can be a great player, but for him to be great he needs to be super aggressive. Some guys forget that and think they can just get by on skill and natural ability. He can’t, Smart can’t, Rozier can’t, Morris cant. They need that extra aggression and effort every night. I think playing in the second unit could work wonders for him. I don't like Marcus Morris nearly enough to consider starting him the rest of the way, but I like the idea of a bench unit featuring Hayward and Brown. They flat out score on fools. It will be interesting how Stevens deals with this, I love Brad but his rotations suck sometimes and he loves some no offense units on the floor (like Rozier - Smart - Morris - Semi - Baynes) and there's no reason he should ever be without at least 2 great scorers on the floor together.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2018 14:25:32 GMT -5
Wow that lasted 5 days till a guy that clearly doesn't watch much Celtics Basketball writes an article and bam it's everyone else sucks hahaha. Since Smart became PG, we have the number one offense in the NBA. What did the whole team worth of players just change overnight? Interesting I wonder why, wait no I don't.
Only player with a net positive rating without Irving is, wait for it Rozier! Anyone surprised by that? I'm sure not given the way he runs the offense. Oh wait Smart and Rozier play well together, anyone surprised by that? Not at all.
Anyone surprised that Brown playing with Rozier and Hayward looks a lot better? Nope not at all. Anyone surprised that the bench had 15 FT attempts and the starters had 5? Nope not at all. Even without Browns nine attempts they still had 6 attempts per 5. That is on one player and one player only.
It's like I wish we had a half season worth of data to see if a certain player was removed would the rest of the team stop shooting jumpers and attack the rim more. Oh wait we have that data and it was crazy pronounced. They did just that.
I'm sorry that the brilliance of a certain players scoring ability clouds certain people judgement. I just won't stand by why people keep acting like its everyone else. Like a whole team worth of players that almost went to the finals all of sudden suck. Not just a few but like every single one of them and its on them for not playing a certain way. When its clear the team plays a different way because of one player. Yet the player that won't be named can't be the issue. He can't be why guys are playing a different way, he's too talented offensively. Even when the player that won't be named is shooting a career high amount of jumpers that rubs off on everyone he plays with. While shooting a career low amount of FTs.
Smart can help run a more team friendly offense, but his game isn't driving and getting FTs. So he can't be the one to help change that for the starters. Tatum while crazy skilled, still plays off other players style. It's why his FTs increased late last season and why they are down this year. He's just not yet ready to be the guy that leads a team and has players play off of him. So that leaves one guy, the player that won't be named. Who did have a bunch of better games, yet prefers jumpers. So either the player that won't be named helps change that or we'll have to wait for Tatum to fully develop and becomes this teams best player. While hoping that player is more like playoff Tatum and not the one that plays with the player that won't be named.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 7, 2018 18:12:41 GMT -5
Bucks trade Henson, Dellavedova and 1st and 2nd rd picks in 2021 to Cavs for Hill and Decker. (Woj and others).
Really like this deal for Milwaukee.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2018 18:39:42 GMT -5
So it seems like its all about dumping 20 million in contracts for next year? Plus gives them a Veteran for the bench. I kinda like it as a Celtic fan because Dellavedova is an annoying player and he really helped them in the playoff last year. They won all three games he played over 16 minutes. He helped them play D and team ball.
Gotta love it for the Cavs also take on 20 million next year, get two picks. That's what they need to do.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 7, 2018 19:54:37 GMT -5
Milwaukee gets better and clears space. Cleveland takes on salary but gets picks. Good on both sides.
Meanwhile, Dekker on his way to Washington for Jason Smith.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 7, 2018 21:38:40 GMT -5
Wow that lasted 5 days till a guy that clearly doesn't watch much Celtics Basketball writes an article and bam it's everyone else sucks hahaha. Since Smart became PG, we have the number one offense in the NBA. What did the whole team worth of players just change overnight? Interesting I wonder why, wait no I don't. This wouldn't be an issue if Hayward and Horford hadn't start the season as poorly as they did. This team is built to support a player like Kyrie, they just needed to stop bricking open looks and/or look slow as heck. Edit: just to add a stat, they had 32 assists last night, that's their season high. The player with the most assists was Kyrie with 8, but the key stat here is that the only guy that played over 15 minutes that didn't have at least 2 assists was Theis. They don't need a traditional playmaker, they have a lot of guys that can create shots for others. Kyrie's style isn't counterintuitive to that, they just need to find the balance and the guys around him have to step up their game (which they have).
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 8, 2018 8:24:14 GMT -5
So it seems like its all about dumping 20 million in contracts for next year? Plus gives them a Veteran for the bench. I kinda like it as a Celtic fan because Dellavedova is an annoying player and he really helped them in the playoff last year. They won all three games he played over 16 minutes. He helped them play D and team ball. Gotta love it for the Cavs also take on 20 million next year, get two picks. That's what they need to do. I agree with this. Hill got tooled on by the Celtics and Dellavedova caused them issues.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 8, 2018 11:42:31 GMT -5
Dolly may have given C's fits but Hill is the better player (especially in the proper role of backup PG). Over the course of the season and against most teams, Hill should be better for them.
Not sure what Milwaukee can pull off next July. Keith Smith projects them to have 21M in cap space (renouncing all FAs except Brogdon and Middleton). Can the Bucks attract someone with that space? The lure of playing with the Freak would be strong but still.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 8, 2018 15:03:30 GMT -5
Wow that lasted 5 days till a guy that clearly doesn't watch much Celtics Basketball writes an article and bam it's everyone else sucks hahaha. Since Smart became PG, we have the number one offense in the NBA. What did the whole team worth of players just change overnight? Interesting I wonder why, wait no I don't. This wouldn't be an issue if Hayward and Horford hadn't start the season as poorly as they did. This team is built to support a player like Kyrie, they just needed to stop bricking open looks and/or look slow as heck. Edit: just to add a stat, they had 32 assists last night, that's their season high. The player with the most assists was Kyrie with 8, but the key stat here is that the only guy that played over 15 minutes that didn't have at least 2 assists was Theis. They don't need a traditional playmaker, they have a lot of guys that can create shots for others. Kyrie's style isn't counterintuitive to that, they just need to find the balance and the guys around him have to step up their game (which they have). Really? Even after the last four games you still think its everyone else? We move Irving to SG and everyone takes off and it was them? The assists are way up because we are playing more team ball. Mainly because Smart and Rozier have become our PGs that are running the offense. Heck more team ball suits Irving also, he's in his normal career role of scorer and secondary creator. It's what I've been saying for a year Irving was dominating the ball too much and not running our offense the right way. He can do it in stretches, but then Irving the scorer takes over and our offense goes out the window. Smart balances that out, keeps everyone involved. Does what Stevens wants and doesn't let the game plan go out the window when his scorer mentality takes over. www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01/gamelog/2019Look at the shot attempts by Horford and the points. Heck last game he got 12 attempts and for the first time this year no 3 point attempts. Smart is helping him get more touches and opportunities within our offense. This isn't Horford just started making all those crazy amount of threes he was taking type crap like you make it sound like. It's a fundamental change in our offense. He's more involved and bam he puts up better numbers. Heck the last 3 games is Irving second lowest stretch in terms of shot attempts on the year 15 per game, which turns into our best scoring stretch of the year. That is the Irving we need. Scoring within the offense and not just taking it over game after game after game. Hayward being Hayward could have helped hide the Irving problem for sure. Irving would have likely trusted him. Yet it wouldn't have solved it. It took us hitting rock bottom for Irving to be like I need help and I want Smart starting. He needed to accept he can't be a go to scorer and run the team at the same time. He's not LeBron and heck almost no one is. No shame in that, yet that was what Irving was trying to do. Bam most of the teams issues are gone.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 8, 2018 15:23:05 GMT -5
Dolly may have given C's fits but Hill is the better player (especially in the proper role of backup PG). Over the course of the season and against most teams, Hill should be better for them. Not sure what Milwaukee can pull off next July. Keith Smith projects them to have 21M in cap space (renouncing all FAs except Brogdon and Middleton). Can the Bucks attract someone with that space? The lure of playing with the Freak would be strong but still. Just my two cents but its not always who's better, but who fits better. Dellavedova is like a Smart type player, he just impacts the game in a bunch of ways that don't show up in the stat sheet. Hill isn't a bad player, he's just not the guy he once was. If you needed a starter Hill would be a lot better, yet at backup PG in limited minutes I'd take Dellavedova. His energy, D, team first style type crap. The big thing here is 20 million in cap space next year, plus Hills contract of 19 million, yet only 1 million guaranteed. The timing also allows them to flip him at the deadline if they wanted too or after the season. I don't think they will have the cap space to sign a big name, but Hill might help them trade for a guy. I'd also hate for Hill to take minutes from DiVencenzo. I really like that kid.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 8, 2018 20:53:23 GMT -5
Theis looks good as a starter, granted it's against the Bulls.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 8, 2018 21:53:51 GMT -5
I'd also hate for Hill to take minutes from DiVencenzo. I really like that kid. Same here. Loved that kid coming out of the draft and wanted him to fall to us. Obviously I'm not unhappy with The Time Lord, but DiVincenzo really is a baller. Great win tonight! I mean it's important to add that it is the Bulls and the game isn't over yet, but it's nice to see the Celtics once again winning every quarter. That sound you hear faintly in the air is Toronto collectively going "oh sh*t..."
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 8, 2018 21:54:14 GMT -5
Lol this game might be one of the biggest #ss whoopings I have seen in a long long time in basketball. 40+ point lead.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 8, 2018 22:08:05 GMT -5
Lol the Celtics won by 56. 56!!! That's a record for the Celtics. Unbelievable.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 9, 2018 0:35:36 GMT -5
Nice win our bench came rather close to matching the whole Bulls team in scoring.
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