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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 9, 2018 7:56:08 GMT -5
Since coming back from injury Brown is 11 for 13 from the line. That was something he keyed in on during the offseason and for me is a key to unlocking his offense. When he chooses to be aggressive and take it to the hoop, he’s dangerous. He’s also a bit sloppy but he can draw fouls. A lot of them. However, a guy isn’t going to do that when he can’t hit free throws. Right now he’s at 67.2% for the year which isn’t good. It’s basically the same guy he’s been for his career. I do feel like his stroke there is smoother and more consistent but results aren’t supporting that. Hopefully, this 11-13 stretch is a sign of things to come.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 9, 2018 13:14:57 GMT -5
It's all in Browns head! He has the ability to be a very good FT shooter, yet he isn't. At the same time its never once stopped him from being aggressive like it did for Rondo. Playing Brown with the second unit has allowed him to be the top scoring option. Rozier and Hayward can help create for him and he has more opportunities. sports.yahoo.com/improved-ball-movement-key-celtics-190821724.htmlShows how the better ball movement is why we are playing better, almost 40 extra passes a game since Smart was made the PG. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2018 15:16:14 GMT -5
Looking at the upcoming games, this team might be on a 10 game winning streak on Dec 21st when they play the Bucks. They then have a bunch of games against good teams, that stretch will tell us a ton about this team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 10, 2018 15:44:45 GMT -5
Looking at the upcoming games, this team might be on a 10 game winning streak on Dec 21st when they play the Bucks. They then have a bunch of games against good teams, that stretch will tell us a ton about this team. Tonight will be interesting with no bigs. In a related but unrelated note, I’m a bit concerned with Robert Williams leave of absence. Anyone get a whiff of what’s going on? Usually, if it’s a sick family member or something it leaks by now, if it’s more serious and related to his mental health it probably wouldn’t... |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 10, 2018 16:06:36 GMT -5
New baby
EDIT: I believe he was also officially recalled for tonight's game.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2018 17:28:03 GMT -5
Ok I was wondering why he wasn't up last game with no Baynes or Horford. I want to see him play and this would seem like a perfect game.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 10, 2018 18:09:52 GMT -5
Jim Boylen mad as all hell LMAO. I absolutely love the response he gave to LaVine's answer there at the end and I'm not even being ironic. Trouble is, Boylen is an absolute nobody so that isn't going to fly at all dude.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 10, 2018 19:18:16 GMT -5
Horford, Hayward, Irving, Baynes, and Yabu all out tonight.
Scheduled loss tonight.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2018 20:38:11 GMT -5
Someone needs to tell the Celtics tonights a loss.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 10, 2018 20:39:53 GMT -5
Robert Williams looks real good. Yeah maybe I overrated the Pelicans a bit. They should be beating the Celtics, yet the kid is stepping up and blocking Anthony Davis.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 10, 2018 21:28:29 GMT -5
Holy nuts Robert Williams just DESTROYED an Anthony Davis attempt. Play him more Stevens please.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2018 21:49:01 GMT -5
Fun game to watch, Williams was impressive. Semi actually driving a ton was impressive. Great win.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 11, 2018 8:06:13 GMT -5
It’s too bad they needed to go thru a losing start and Brown had to get injured and watch the team do better without him to remember that there are very few guys in the NBA who can just show up and play without being aggressive and win. But I’m glad they did that and are now stepping it up.
Jaylen missed so many layups last night but at least he was going to the rim again. He is in full control of that, no one else and he needs to never forget that again. Third year now buddy, you’re running out of excuses. Like the 3/4 from the line. Now I think he’s 13 of 17 in his 3 games back.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 11, 2018 8:08:51 GMT -5
Fun game to watch, Williams was impressive. Semi actually driving a ton was impressive. Great win. Williams was pretty impressive; he still is a bit awkward but the talent is there. Semi is gaining confidence offensively. He was a scorer in college so it’s not a huge surprise but it will be key for him and for the Celtics longer term. Losing Marcus Morris after the year is going to hurt a lot but Semi may be able to offset that; especially if his new found 3 point stroke is as real as it looks. Yes, I know he was 1-6 last night but bigger picture. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 11, 2018 14:58:18 GMT -5
It’s too bad they needed to go thru a losing start and Brown had to get injured and watch the team do better without him to remember that there are very few guys in the NBA who can just show up and play without being aggressive and win. But I’m glad they did that and are now stepping it up. Jaylen missed so many layups last night but at least he was going to the rim again. He is in full control of that, no one else and he needs to never forget that again. Third year now buddy, you’re running out of excuses. Like the 3/4 from the line. Now I think he’s 13 of 17 in his 3 games back. I don't know about that. I think it showed 100% what we have been talking about all season who he plays with, opportunities he has, and playing time. That was the same Brown we saw in the playoffs, playing with most of the same players. Same guy a couple of you guys kept saying it was all him. He missed three point blank shots in one possession. Yet he kept getting the ball. Started 2-10 from the field, finished 4-6 at the end. The opportunities gave him confidence, as the game went along, the more minutes he got the better he got. Second most field goal attempts all year. The talent is there he just needs minutes and opportunities to continue to grow his game. This isn't Brown is just trying now, like he wasn't before. This is the result of the switch made at PG. The fact that the Celtics are running their offense again. I posted the stat showing an extra 40 passes a game. Better ball movement, guys more involved, more opportunities, less players dominating the ball equals players playing better. This is highlighted with Brown because he isn't great at creating in the halfcourt offense like a Tatum or Irving. He needs guys creating for him, good ball movement creating lanes and mismatches. This win highlights Celtic Basketball. When they play as a team they are better than their talent level. The Pelicans had more talent, Davis was in beast mode. It didn't matter. It's why I really enjoyed the game, that along with Williams showing why most considered him a top ten type talent in the draft. TV announcers saying the Celtics look like the deeper team playing without Irving, Hayward, Horford, Baynes or Yabu. Which they were. Really enjoyed the NBATV announcers. Heck I always enjoy those primetime games with the different announcers. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 11, 2018 15:09:39 GMT -5
Fun game to watch, Williams was impressive. Semi actually driving a ton was impressive. Great win. Williams was pretty impressive; he still is a bit awkward but the talent is there. Semi is gaining confidence offensively. He was a scorer in college so it’s not a huge surprise but it will be key for him and for the Celtics longer term. Losing Marcus Morris after the year is going to hurt a lot but Semi may be able to offset that; especially if his new found 3 point stroke is as real as it looks. Yes, I know he was 1-6 last night but bigger picture. Williams played about the same amount of minutes in one game as he had played all year. So yea he's not close to having everything down yet. At the same time he was crazy impressive. He has the ability to give Davis problems. Which is crazy impressive considering he's the hardest to guard big in the game. I thought he offered more resistants than Theis did. I'd be interested to know how many guys have multiple blocks on Davis this year in a single game. I'm going to guess not many guys. He just needs to become more physical. I don't think I've seen Semi drive that much all the other times I've watched him combined. Nevermind he looked very good doing it. I was like wait who is that, Semi really? I'm not really surprised, kinda expected that last year. Very nice to see to see though because last year was basically all just three point attempts or so it seemed that way. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 11, 2018 15:59:51 GMT -5
It’s too bad they needed to go thru a losing start and Brown had to get injured and watch the team do better without him to remember that there are very few guys in the NBA who can just show up and play without being aggressive and win. But I’m glad they did that and are now stepping it up. Jaylen missed so many layups last night but at least he was going to the rim again. He is in full control of that, no one else and he needs to never forget that again. Third year now buddy, you’re running out of excuses. Like the 3/4 from the line. Now I think he’s 13 of 17 in his 3 games back. I don't know about that. I think it showed 100% what we have been talking about all season who he plays with, opportunities he has, and playing time. That was the same Brown we saw in the playoffs, playing with most of the same players. Same guy a couple of you guys kept saying it was all him. He missed three point blank shots in one possession. Yet he kept getting the ball. Started 2-10 from the field, finished 4-6 at the end. The opportunities gave him confidence, as the game went along, the more minutes he got the better he got. Second most field goal attempts all year. The talent is there he just needs minutes and opportunities to continue to grow his game. This isn't Brown is just trying now, like he wasn't before. This is the result of the switch made at PG. The fact that the Celtics are running their offense again. I posted the stat showing an extra 40 passes a game. Better ball movement, guys more involved, more opportunities, less players dominating the ball equals players playing better. This is highlighted with Brown because he isn't great at creating in the halfcourt offense like a Tatum or Irving. He needs guys creating for him, good ball movement creating lanes and mismatches. This win highlights Celtic Basketball. When they play as a team they are better than their talent level. The Pelicans had more talent, Davis was in beast mode. It didn't matter. It's why I really enjoyed the game, that along with Williams showing why most considered him a top ten type talent in the draft. TV announcers saying the Celtics look like the deeper team playing without Irving, Hayward, Horford, Baynes or Yabu. Which they were. Really enjoyed the NBATV announcers. Heck I always enjoy those primetime games with the different announcers. How can you say it’s not on him to be more aggressive then say it’s a confidence issue? They are one in the same. The opportunities are always there. I do agree different personnel can fit together better; spacing out guys gives more opportunities and balance but there’s a reason a guy like Marcus Morris can always find his opportunities. He’s confident and aggressive. There’s a reason Smart and Tatum always fit in, same. Brown needs to stay aggressive and that’s 100% on him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 11, 2018 16:25:24 GMT -5
Morris can create his own shot, so can Tatum, Smart creates for others and plays team ball. Guys like that fit in with anyone. Brown can't create his own shot, you don't want him doing that. It gets ugly really fast. So pairing matter for him heck likely more than anyone else. Sure you can say get better, yet he's a young player. Right now he is what he is. To keep his confidence up he needs to be heavily involved even when he plays like last night. Kinda hard to do that if players stop creating for him! Kinda hard to just say stay agressive when before so many of his touches were on the perimeter. Maybe you think he should take those into the Basket, I don't. You don't want Brown dribbling that much unless good ball movement gives him open lanes. He's just not good at attacking right at the defense and having to beat multiple defenders. That's why he needs good ball movement that opens lanes for him, an offense that gets him the ball in the open court, or guys getting him the ball in the post. Gets him in the flow of the game, increases his confidence and he becomes a different player.
I will say it's frustrating that he is still a high maintenance type player. Would have loved to see big strides from last year but that hasn't happened yet. We just have to be patient with him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 11, 2018 18:54:20 GMT -5
Brown is right on schedule to become a taller Avery Bradley. This is a bit underwhelming because his upside is downright incredible, but maybe we shouldn't expect him to become more than a 3 and D guy if he can't learn to dribble and pass the ball a bit better.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 11, 2018 19:05:13 GMT -5
Brown is right on schedule to become a taller Avery Bradley. This is a bit underwhelming because his upside is downright incredible, but maybe we shouldn't expect him to become more than a 3 and D guy if he can't learn to dribble and pass the ball a bit better. This is exactly why I want to package up Brown this offseason with what's looking like a lot of draft capital in this year's draft and trade up in the draft and let someone else dream on Brown. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 11, 2018 19:16:36 GMT -5
This is exactly why I want to package up Brown this offseason with what's looking like a lot of draft capital in this year's draft and trade up in the draft and let someone else dream on Brown. I don't think Danny would package him to move up the draft, it's going to get a bigger trade to move Brown and I think it's more likely to happen at the deadline than at the offseason. There will be a lot of moving parts after the season with Rozier, Morris and potentially Baynes all being free agents. Moving Brown for a rookie is going to kill their depth. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 12, 2018 7:44:58 GMT -5
Morris can create his own shot, so can Tatum, Smart creates for others and plays team ball. Guys like that fit in with anyone. Brown can't create his own shot, you don't want him doing that. It gets ugly really fast. So pairing matter for him heck likely more than anyone else. Sure you can say get better, yet he's a young player. Right now he is what he is. To keep his confidence up he needs to be heavily involved even when he plays like last night. Kinda hard to do that if players stop creating for him! Kinda hard to just say stay agressive when before so many of his touches were on the perimeter. Maybe you think he should take those into the Basket, I don't. You don't want Brown dribbling that much unless good ball movement gives him open lanes. He's just not good at attacking right at the defense and having to beat multiple defenders. That's why he needs good ball movement that opens lanes for him, an offense that gets him the ball in the open court, or guys getting him the ball in the post. Gets him in the flow of the game, increases his confidence and he becomes a different player. I will say it's frustrating that he is still a high maintenance type player. Would have loved to see big strides from last year but that hasn't happened yet. We just have to be patient with him. I don’t understand what you consider creating for him.... You watch the games. Jaylen takes his man off the dribble and goes to the hoop. That’s creating for himself. You remember his buzzer beating 3 the last game? That was self creating. He gets sloppy (so does Tatum), but Brown most certainly creates his own shots. Is it your contention that anyone who’s not a great ISO scorer needs guys to set him up? I’m not even sure this flies as if they have the right match up they do iso Jaylen. You’re acting like other players just set him up all the time by drawing his defender away and leaving him alone. That’s just not the case. It’s a nice narrative to talk about but there’s really no meaning behind it. But I do agree that different fits are better. You just call that a Kyrie problem and I don’t. Jaylen is freer in the second unit, not because Kyrie holds him back on the first, it’s because he’s the 5th option on the first unit, like he should be. Moving him to the second unit moves him up the pecking order. We will never agree on this since you consider the best player on the team a “net negative”. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 12, 2018 7:59:48 GMT -5
Brown is right on schedule to become a taller Avery Bradley. This is a bit underwhelming because his upside is downright incredible, but maybe we shouldn't expect him to become more than a 3 and D guy if he can't learn to dribble and pass the ball a bit better. Besides injury, what was Bradley’s biggest negative as a player? His size. The biggest reason, I felt you couldn’t win with Bradley was because he was this great on ball defender who could only guard point guards but couldn’t play point guard. He’s not a good team defender, just a one on one perimeter guy. If you put him in Jaylen’s body, he would have been a borderline all-star. I don’t think they are all that comparable but if Jaylen Brown were everything Bradley was plus the ability to guard 4 positions, get to the rim and rebound then we should all be very pleased. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 12, 2018 9:07:19 GMT -5
Besides injury, what was Bradley’s biggest negative as a player? His size. The biggest reason, I felt you couldn’t win with Bradley was because he was this great on ball defender who could only guard point guards but couldn’t play point guard. He’s not a good team defender, just a one on one perimeter guy. If you put him in Jaylen’s body, he would have been a borderline all-star. I don’t think they are all that comparable but if Jaylen Brown were everything Bradley was plus the ability to guard 4 positions, get to the rim and rebound then we should all be very pleased. I agree with you overall assessment on Bradley, but to me his biggest negative as a player besides his size was his inability to pass the ball decisively. He was also somewhat inconsistent on a night to night basis and when he was off he looked terrible. He also wasn't great controlling the ball, but maybe that happened because defenses knew he wouldn't create anything to they would force him to keep it and drive. But for a guy his size, Avery was a fantastic defender and he was a very good shooter overall. Jaylen showed plenty of flashes of that (his defense is weirdly underrated) while also matching the same flaws. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2018 13:02:26 GMT -5
Morris can create his own shot, so can Tatum, Smart creates for others and plays team ball. Guys like that fit in with anyone. Brown can't create his own shot, you don't want him doing that. It gets ugly really fast. So pairing matter for him heck likely more than anyone else. Sure you can say get better, yet he's a young player. Right now he is what he is. To keep his confidence up he needs to be heavily involved even when he plays like last night. Kinda hard to do that if players stop creating for him! Kinda hard to just say stay agressive when before so many of his touches were on the perimeter. Maybe you think he should take those into the Basket, I don't. You don't want Brown dribbling that much unless good ball movement gives him open lanes. He's just not good at attacking right at the defense and having to beat multiple defenders. That's why he needs good ball movement that opens lanes for him, an offense that gets him the ball in the open court, or guys getting him the ball in the post. Gets him in the flow of the game, increases his confidence and he becomes a different player. I will say it's frustrating that he is still a high maintenance type player. Would have loved to see big strides from last year but that hasn't happened yet. We just have to be patient with him. I don’t understand what you consider creating for him.... You watch the games. Jaylen takes his man off the dribble and goes to the hoop. That’s creating for himself. You remember his buzzer beating 3 the last game? That was self creating. He gets sloppy (so does Tatum), but Brown most certainly creates his own shots. Is it your contention that anyone who’s not a great ISO scorer needs guys to set him up? I’m not even sure this flies as if they have the right match up they do iso Jaylen. You’re acting like other players just set him up all the time by drawing his defender away and leaving him alone. That’s just not the case. It’s a nice narrative to talk about but there’s really no meaning behind it. But I do agree that different fits are better. You just call that a Kyrie problem and I don’t. Jaylen is freer in the second unit, not because Kyrie holds him back on the first, it’s because he’s the 5th option on the first unit, like he should be. Moving him to the second unit moves him up the pecking order. We will never agree on this since you consider the best player on the team a “net negative”. Yea he can create jump shots, but we both know that isn't what you were talking about. Acting like Tatum is anything like Brown is just funny. Tatum can with ease take the ball from the 3 point line and drive. Remember the one handed jam from last game? All playoffs long he did just that, he can actually dribble. Brown can't do stuff like that with any regularity. It turns into the possession where he just dribbled for like 15 seconds and we got a shot clock violation. I thought Morris was going to punch him. Brown can do ISO if you get him the ball in the low post, you just can't clear out a side and let him attack though. He really can't dribble around guys and a bunch of defenders. It gets ugly everytime. If you agree then why do you keep making post after post that its all on Brown? Moves to second unit, plays will guys that get him more involved he looks like Brown again. Yet we still get its all on Brown to be aggressive. He's not Tatum with the ability to do almost anything he wants on the court, yet he keeps taking a bunch of jumpers. I really don't want to keep bringing up Irving yet you and Don just won't let it go. I'm sorry but this it was everyone else but Irving crap doesn't fly anymore. We are 6-0 since Irving was basically made a SG and had the ball taken away. Less Irving Dominating the ball, less of him scoring has resulted in much better team basketball. We are scoring more, which is kinda comical giving people posting Irving was the only guy that could score articles. If this winning streak and the way they are playing doesn't show you that Irving can be a net negative I don't know what to tell you. This isn't everyone else changed type crap. This is Smart is the PG now, Rozier is the backup and Irving is playing off the ball, scoring within our offense for the first time in two years. The end result an offensive explosion not seen since the days of the orginal big three lead by Larry Bird. |
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