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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 16, 2019 21:18:20 GMT -5
Man it's so good watching Hayward playing well. He was one of my favorite players in the NBA back when he was in Utah, I just love his all around game. He wasn't the best at any particular thing, but he was fantastic at multiple things. It's been a rough season for him coming out of injury and just being slow as hell, but the few games where he looks like his old self are just a joy.
Great defense as well, seriously he's so fundamentally sound. Nice to see Baynes as well, umass called it perfectly: they're a different team when he's banging down low (even if he also looked predictably out of shape).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 16, 2019 21:25:33 GMT -5
This is what this talented team is capable of...lots of joy in that 1st half.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 16, 2019 21:47:50 GMT -5
We are not good at 3rd quarters.
Horford showing badly needed energy.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 16, 2019 21:55:59 GMT -5
It would be nice if Stevens rode the hot hand once in a while, his rotations are too stiff. Let Hayward start the 3rd quarter, Morris isn't giving them much. Heck if you need Morris for his Morrisness, play Hayward instead of Tatum. He comes back after a gazillion minutes on the bench and he obviously cooled down.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 16, 2019 22:05:42 GMT -5
Brutal possessions in 4th Q. No flow
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 16, 2019 22:24:30 GMT -5
Tatum and Kyrie, some kind of awesome late in this game.
I'll add Horford too. Lightning bolt ending.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 16, 2019 22:29:41 GMT -5
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 16, 2019 22:37:36 GMT -5
Story of the season - this team is electric at home and a train wreck on the road.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 16, 2019 22:45:35 GMT -5
Monumental win. Kyrie with Steph range out there is absolutely ridiculous. Very gritty stuff in the 4th, shots weren't falling and they just went god mode instead and hit everything.
Not perfect though. I need to check the boxscore, but I believe Morris played more minutes than Hayward and that's just terrible considering Morris didn't have anything and Hayward was on fire for a while. Too many wings on the roster and Stevens hasn't shown the inclination to play who's actually playing well, he sticks to the plan even when the plan is stupid.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 16, 2019 22:56:34 GMT -5
Monumental win. Kyrie with Steph range out there is absolutely ridiculous. Very gritty stuff in the 4th, shots weren't falling and they just went god mode instead and hit everything. Not perfect though. I need to check the boxscore, but I believe Morris played more minutes than Hayward and that's just terrible considering Morris didn't have anything and Hayward was on fire for a while. Too many wings on the roster and Stevens hasn't shown the inclination to play who's actually playing well, he sticks to the plan even when the plan is stupid. I watched most of the game - yes, some of the rotations are odd...you covered some of the things in your earlier comments. Overall - the only negative on the +/- was Morris, but he did have 8 boards and brought energy. Everyone else was +. Some nice mix and match stats - Tatum with 16 and 10...Horford 24 and 7 with good energy and timely makes...Smart had one of those games that didn't show in the stats but was effective, Hayward really efficient - 18 with 5 assists in 24 min (Morris with 25 min), Baynes 14 really effective minutes including a monster 3 out of nowhere, Rozier a +8 - didn't shoot well but played well. Brown had a few big plays, but felt like a lost wing much of the time. Great win, fascinating game, they could have folded in the 3Q into early 4Q but bucked it up and took it home. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 16, 2019 23:20:00 GMT -5
😯 But what about his lack of team ball? Lol jk jk. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2019 0:54:37 GMT -5
It would be nice if Stevens rode the hot hand once in a while, his rotations are too stiff. Let Hayward start the 3rd quarter, Morris isn't giving them much. Heck if you need Morris for his Morrisness, play Hayward instead of Tatum. He comes back after a gazillion minutes on the bench and he obviously cooled down. He's like automatic, its written in stone before the game even starts. Looking at Irving, his last game came back in at 7:48 mark in 4th, this game 8:00 mark. I fully agree it shouldn't be set in stone. In game adjustments can be a good thing. Play the players that are hot. Not doing so kinda ruins the benefits of a deep roster. Gotta remember though this is a first for him, he's never coached a deep team before. He didn't have stacked rosters at Butler and certainly not on the Celtics for years. There was always a big drop off in talent. Yet this year on a given night Brown can be better than Morris, Hayward better than Tatum, and Rozier better than Smart. Nevermind making sure Baynes gets the minutes he needs. Whole new challenge for him and you can tell its a learning experience. For the first time in the NBA he isn't always making what seems to be the right calls. Rather slow to adjust. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2019 1:00:00 GMT -5
😯 But what about his lack of team ball? Lol jk jk. Haha he had 18 assists and for example the last 8 minutes in the 4th they had 8 assists, compared to zero against the Magic. So yea they played team ball. Yet they've done that before and then they implode again. Maybe one of these times it will stick. This team is crazy frustrating big highs and crazy lows and not much in the middle. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2019 15:20:27 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2019 15:42:06 GMT -5
I love the Kyrie spiritual journey. He’s a young, intelligent thoughtful person who’s constantly self reflecting and trying to improve himself. Much respect. Plus, he’s a generational talent that we get to watch every day right now. It’s a blessing. Add: and yes, I mean generational TALENT. Guy might have the best handle in NBA history and combine that with the rest of the package it’s incredible. If you want to say yes not a generational player because you reserve that for LeBron then that’s fine but what Kyrie can do special and you don’t find guys like him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2019 17:23:07 GMT -5
RJP I always get a good laugh out of your spiritual journey talk about Irving. Thanks for that. Everyone else is mere mortals on just a journey, but Irving is on a spiritual journey! Sorry I couldn't help myself. 😂
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2019 18:03:21 GMT -5
RJP I always get a good laugh out of your spiritual journey talk about Irving. Thanks for that. Everyone else is mere mortals on just a journey, but Irving is on a spiritual journey! Sorry I couldn't help myself. 😂 My pleasure - everyone is just a person not sure where you get the implication Kyrie isn’t. I’ve never seen an athlete be so honest and share what’s going on in his head. Have you? It’s fascinating. I’m also drawn to people who are constantly self reflecting. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 17, 2019 19:51:06 GMT -5
I love the Kyrie spiritual journey. He’s a young, intelligent thoughtful person who’s constantly self reflecting and trying to improve himself. Much respect. Plus, he’s a generational talent that we get to watch every day right now. It’s a blessing. Add: and yes, I mean generational TALENT. Guy might have the best handle in NBA history and combine that with the rest of the package it’s incredible. If you want to say yes not a generational player because you reserve that for LeBron then that’s fine but what Kyrie can do special and you don’t find guys like him. I absolutely love how Kyrie communicates, he's so well spoken and reasonable. He is truly one of the most fascinating athletes I ever followed and I hope he sticks around for quite a long time. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 17, 2019 22:58:59 GMT -5
Love him as a player but he's as insufferable as LeBron while not being as good as LeBron.
Imagine saying that you had to call your former co-worker and apologize for being immature (or whatever) bc you now know what it's like to be him/her. Now imagine saying that in front of your current co-workers.
It's growth to make the call. To go public with making the call . . .
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 18, 2019 6:34:07 GMT -5
The thing I just don't get is some of you act like there aren't a bunch of well spoken, smart, intelligent athletes. Irving is all of those things, yet that isn't what separates him. The fact he always needs to be talking to the media is. You get 1000% more from him than a typical athlete. At the same time that has been a huge issue for us. Him just speaking his mind all the time without ever thinking about how will this effect my team. It leads to a very intelligent young individual saying some rather dumb stuff. Maybe in todays age some people enjoy that, but it has been hurting our team. Browns comments proves just that. Tatum has made comments about keeping stuff in the lockeroom. I'm glad he sees his mistakes and is owning up to them. That is good for the Celtics. Yet I do agree its crazy that he once again felt the need to share this with the press. It's his constant need to be in the spot light that still worries me. Edit: sports.yahoo.com/charles-barkley-rips-kyrie-irvings-031330480.html |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 18, 2019 6:39:27 GMT -5
Love him as a player but he's as insufferable as LeBron while not being as good as LeBron. Imagine saying that you had to call your former co-worker and apologize for being immature (or whatever) bc you now know what it's like to be him/her. Now imagine saying that in front of your current co-workers. It's growth to make the call. To go public with making the call . . . He’s an over-sharer publicly and hopefully he will learn over time. He already seems to be realizing it when listening to him. He has similar traits to LeBron but he has Key traits that separate him from LeBron. He seems to be sincere and caring and isn’t beyond admitting his own faults. LeBron comes across as a stuck up pompous jerk who does no wrong ever. I know it seems contradictory that I love watching him share yet admit he’s an over-sharer. They are two separate things though. As a fan, I find it a fascinating look into his personality and how he’s changing and learning about himself as a person as he takes on new challenges. I call his a spiritual journey because that’s what it seems to be, from joining his mother’s tribe to figuring out how to lead a team. He joined the Celtics as a 25 year old; he’s still just 26. This is a young man figuring things out. I hope he never changes his process, but I hope he gets better about what he shares with the public. The good news is he’s very aware so I’m pretty confident over time this will change. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 18, 2019 6:50:34 GMT -5
I kind of roll my eyes everytime Kyrie talks personally, but if that's the worst I got to say about a player, then that's perfectly fine by me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 18, 2019 8:25:56 GMT -5
There is a lot in this blog, but one thing people have completely ignored and not given the proper due is how he’s flipped the script on him not being a “complete” player. He’s been good defensively and his hustle has been high level all year. Watching Smart every day has probably helped. “For starters, Irving has simply applied himself on defense to a greater extent than he ever has in his career. Last season, his effort was certainly apparent, but his execution was sorely lacking. This year, he’s combined both. His +0.7 defensive box plus-minus (per Basketball Reference) ranks far and away as the best of his career — and the only time he’s ever ranked outside the negatives. He’s contesting as an on-ball defender as well has he ever has, while also picking his spots and challenging passing lanes smarter than ever, leading to a career-high 2.5 steals per 100 possessions. That extra effort on the defensive end has bled into other aspects of his game. All those little, extra things that you love Marcus Smart for? Irving’s been doing them too. He’s tied for ninth in the NBA in total charges drawn (9), right there with Smart himself. He’s also enjoying the best rebounding season of his career by far, bringing down a career-high 7.3 total and 1.8 offensive boards on the season. He’s never really been known for his prowess on the glass (as most slim, 6’3” scoring guards are not), but he’s no fool. With an improved focus on hustling to the ball in every phase of the game, he’s developed an underrated knack for extending possessions with savvy plays on the offensive glass.” www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/17/18186432/kyrie-irving-maturing-before-our-eyes-boston-celtics-toronto-raptors |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 18, 2019 17:03:16 GMT -5
There is a lot in this blog, but one thing people have completely ignored and not given the proper due is how he’s flipped the script on him not being a “complete” player. He’s been good defensively and his hustle has been high level all year. Watching Smart every day has probably helped. “For starters, Irving has simply applied himself on defense to a greater extent than he ever has in his career. Last season, his effort was certainly apparent, but his execution was sorely lacking. This year, he’s combined both. His +0.7 defensive box plus-minus (per Basketball Reference) ranks far and away as the best of his career — and the only time he’s ever ranked outside the negatives. He’s contesting as an on-ball defender as well has he ever has, while also picking his spots and challenging passing lanes smarter than ever, leading to a career-high 2.5 steals per 100 possessions. That extra effort on the defensive end has bled into other aspects of his game. All those little, extra things that you love Marcus Smart for? Irving’s been doing them too. He’s tied for ninth in the NBA in total charges drawn (9), right there with Smart himself. He’s also enjoying the best rebounding season of his career by far, bringing down a career-high 7.3 total and 1.8 offensive boards on the season. He’s never really been known for his prowess on the glass (as most slim, 6’3” scoring guards are not), but he’s no fool. With an improved focus on hustling to the ball in every phase of the game, he’s developed an underrated knack for extending possessions with savvy plays on the offensive glass.” www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/17/18186432/kyrie-irving-maturing-before-our-eyes-boston-celtics-toronto-raptorsLol Irving isn't averaging 7.3 rebounds or 1.8 offensive rebounds per game. It's 4.8 rebounds total and 1.2 offensive rebounds. Good numbers and its great to see, but that guy needs to check his numbers. I knew Irving was doing better, but I was like 7.3 rebounds, wow did I miss something? That would be tops on the whole team per game. A big part of Irving doing better on D and rebounding is because of guys like Smart and Rozier. Watching and playing with those guys has pushed Irving and rubbed off. Now Irving needs to return the favor like last game and make our offensive guys better. As we've seen more than a few times if Irving wants to play PG and team ball he can do it at a crazy high level. Like I said at the start of the season Irvings goal should be 10 assists per game! He does that and him dominating the ball so much won't matter and we will run over teams. If I'm Stevens that is my goal for Irving every game. I play the last eight minutes of the Magic game and the Raptor game to show him the massive difference and easier looks he can help create. You want to call Irving a generational talent, then he needs to be at or around 10 assists on a team like this. That is using all his talents. That player, with his scoring, improved D and effort could be a generational talent. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 18, 2019 17:27:33 GMT -5
There is a lot in this blog, but one thing people have completely ignored and not given the proper due is how he’s flipped the script on him not being a “complete” player. He’s been good defensively and his hustle has been high level all year. Watching Smart every day has probably helped. “For starters, Irving has simply applied himself on defense to a greater extent than he ever has in his career. Last season, his effort was certainly apparent, but his execution was sorely lacking. This year, he’s combined both. His +0.7 defensive box plus-minus (per Basketball Reference) ranks far and away as the best of his career — and the only time he’s ever ranked outside the negatives. He’s contesting as an on-ball defender as well has he ever has, while also picking his spots and challenging passing lanes smarter than ever, leading to a career-high 2.5 steals per 100 possessions. That extra effort on the defensive end has bled into other aspects of his game. All those little, extra things that you love Marcus Smart for? Irving’s been doing them too. He’s tied for ninth in the NBA in total charges drawn (9), right there with Smart himself. He’s also enjoying the best rebounding season of his career by far, bringing down a career-high 7.3 total and 1.8 offensive boards on the season. He’s never really been known for his prowess on the glass (as most slim, 6’3” scoring guards are not), but he’s no fool. With an improved focus on hustling to the ball in every phase of the game, he’s developed an underrated knack for extending possessions with savvy plays on the offensive glass.” www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/17/18186432/kyrie-irving-maturing-before-our-eyes-boston-celtics-toronto-raptorsLol Irving isn't averaging 7.3 rebounds or 1.8 offensive rebounds per game. It's 4.8 rebounds total and 1.2 offensive rebounds. Good numbers and its great to see, but that guy needs to check his numbers. I knew Irving was doing better, but I was like 7.3 rebounds, wow did I miss something? That would be tops on the whole team per game. A big part of Irving doing better on D and rebounding is because of guys like Smart and Rozier. Watching and playing with those guys has pushed Irving and rubbed off. Now Irving needs to return the favor like last game and make our offensive guys better. As we've seen more than a few times if Irving wants to play PG and team ball he can do it at a crazy high level. Like I said at the start of the season Irvings goal should be 10 assists per game! He does that and him dominating the ball so much won't matter and we will run over teams. If I'm Stevens that is my goal for Irving every game. I play the last eight minutes of the Magic game and the Raptor game to show him the massive difference and easier looks he can help create. You want to call Irving a generational talent, then he needs to be at or around 10 assists on a team like this. That is using all his talents. That player, with his scoring, improved D and effort could be a generational talent. I assumed he was referring to per 48 number when he was discussing rebounds. He wasn’t clear but it’s obvious he’s not averaging that per game. It’s irrelevant on the point tho. Also, you’re conflating generational talent with generational player. He’s a unique player averaging 10 assists or not. That would just take him to another level that I don’t currently put him at as a player. |
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