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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 26, 2019 23:04:52 GMT -5
I can come up with a few things to say about this game, the team being soft isn't one of them. Yeah, that was a bad take wcp. Two things that are going in my mind right now: 1- please trade Morris. I appreciate how he improved his game somewhat and I'm not even saying this because he missed that last shot, it's just that he still takes far too many turnaround contested jumpers which are ridiculous. Get a bigger guy to give them an interior scoring presence. And 2- I know Smart is a decent shooter now, but these early clock 3s he's taking need to get out of my house. The rest was solid. Pretty well played game overall. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 26, 2019 23:07:56 GMT -5
I can come up with a few things to say about this game, the team being soft isn't one of them. Yeah, that was a bad take wcp. Two things that are going in my mind right now: 1- please trade Morris. I appreciate how he improved his game somewhat and I'm not even saying this because he missed that last shot, it's just that he still takes far too many turnaround contested jumpers which are ridiculous. Get a bigger guy to give them an interior scoring presence. And 2- I know Smart is a decent shooter now, but these early clock 3s he's taking need to get out of my house. The rest was solid. Pretty well played game overall. Agreed. I think Hayward's ineffectiveness continues to concern (but as we've read in lots of places, shouldn't surprise). |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 26, 2019 23:21:10 GMT -5
Agreed. I think Hayward's ineffectiveness continues to concern (but as we've read in lots of places, shouldn't surprise). Absolutely, Hayward looks toast mentally. He makes a bad play on offense and he shies away from the game. He also looks very slow. I don't think we'll see the real Gordon Hayward at all this season. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 27, 2019 9:12:26 GMT -5
They lost a tight intense game to the best team in the league (actually one of the best teams in league history). Overall, there’s not much to be mad about.
Kyrie and Horford had too many turnovers, especially in the 4th, but the Warriors are a great defensive team and those turnovers will happen just hopefully less so. Both of them also played great games and were huge reasons why the game was as close as it was. Horford was plus 9 and Kyrie was even.
There were some really good looks the team had late that they just missed and they screwed up the defensive rebound off of the Green miss.
Morris is great for this team overall. He’s had an off stretch and people now want to trade him again.
Hayward, is a mess offensively when he starts hesitating. He becomes a non-factor when he won’t shoot. Despite all that he still makes great basketball plays, off the ball, defensively and he rebounds pretty well. I really just think he needs to get over the hump mentally. He literally looks scared to shoot. The games he’s been good he shoots without hesitation.
Overall though, keep in perspective what happened last night. They played a full 48 minute game toe to toe back and forth with one of the best team in basketball history. No I’m not saying moral victories are what we should be looking for, but this was one of the best games the team has played, in some respects, all year to be honest. The fact they started off well and had no true lulls for the game is great. The fact that’s a thing we are happy to see and not just accustomed to seeing isn’t so great.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 27, 2019 9:37:02 GMT -5
They lost a tight intense game to the best team in the league (actually one of the best teams in league history). Overall, there’s not much to be mad about. Kyrie and Horford had too many turnovers, especially in the 4th, but the Warriors are a great defensive team and those turnovers will happen just hopefully less so. Both of them also played great games and were huge reasons why the game was as close as it was. Horford was plus 9 and Kyrie was even. There were some really good looks the team had late that they just missed and they screwed up the defensive rebound off of the Green miss. Morris is great for this team overall. He’s had an off stretch and people now want to trade him again. Hayward, is a mess offensively when he starts hesitating. He becomes a non-factor when he won’t shoot. Despite all that he still makes great basketball plays, off the ball, defensively and he rebounds pretty well. I really just think he needs to get over the hump mentally. He literally looks scared to shoot. The games he’s been good he shoots without hesitation. Overall though, keep in perspective what happened last night. They played a full 48 minute game toe to toe back and forth with one of the best team in basketball history. No I’m not saying moral victories are what we should be looking for, but this was one of the best games the team has played, in some respects, all year to be honest. The fact they started off well and had no true lulls for the game is great. The fact that’s a thing we are happy to see and not just accustomed to seeing isn’t so great. That's a good take. Of course, as a fan it is frustrating to see us come so close and not close the deal (fan since the 1960s!). The post game interviews had the right tone - talking about getting a bit more poise in the key spots, being more careful with the ball. It was a really fun game to watch, and it is a game that the team can build off of. It also demonstrated a bit of the "overtalented" part of the team Stevens has to grapple with - Rozier, Brown as starter material on most teams - they are still working to flow the entire game when subbing. Can't ask for much more from a game (except a win, of course!). If they bring this type of game to other opponents, we will win far more than we lose going forward. The Hayward thing is tough - shut him down for awhile? Let him work through it? He just didn't show up last night (except for a few rebounds and passes). |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 27, 2019 10:45:23 GMT -5
There were some really good looks the team had late that they just missed and they screwed up the defensive rebound off of the Green miss. Morris is great for this team overall. He’s had an off stretch and people now want to trade him again. Meh I don't think it was a screwup on that rebound, Smart was in position to make a play but the ball bounced a bit funny. You could argue that maybe he could have done better, but I just think they were unlucky there. And yeah, I want to trade Morris. His game is redundant on this team and they have far too many wings right now. They need a bigger more contained guy, someone that will shoot the 3, bang inside, move the ball once it hits him or heck I'd settle for just not taking long turnaround jumpers (not saying that the new guy needs to do all of the above, but 2 out of those would be nice). |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 27, 2019 10:55:52 GMT -5
OK UMass. Whatever you say. The guys who write about this stuff must be wrong.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 27, 2019 10:57:05 GMT -5
There were some really good looks the team had late that they just missed and they screwed up the defensive rebound off of the Green miss. Morris is great for this team overall. He’s had an off stretch and people now want to trade him again. Meh I don't think it was a screwup on that rebound, Smart was in position to make a play but the ball bounced a bit funny. You could argue that maybe he could have done better, but I just think they were unlucky there. And yeah, I want to trade Morris. His game is redundant on this team and they have far too many wings right now. They need a bigger more contained guy, someone that will shoot the 3, bang inside, move the ball once it hits him or heck I'd settle for just not taking long turnaround jumpers (not saying that the new guy needs to do all of the above, but 2 out of those would be nice). Smarts job there is to box out the shooter... he darted inside deep into the paint trying to make a Smart type play. In this instance it burnt him because it did go longer than most rebounds. He gambled and lost. Not mad about it but when you gamble and do something you’re not supposed to and don’t get the rebound you would have gotten there’s blame to take. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 27, 2019 10:58:46 GMT -5
OK UMass. Whatever you say. The guys who write about this stuff must be wrong. Did I miss a post or is this still about buyout candidates and contracts? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 27, 2019 11:19:32 GMT -5
Smarts job there is to box out the shooter... he darted inside deep into the paint trying to make a Smart type play. In this instance it burnt him because it did go longer than most rebounds. He gambled and lost. Not mad about it but when you gamble and do something you’re not supposed to and don’t get the rebound you would have gotten there’s blame to take. Yeah I see what you mean, but that's such a long rebound I don't really have a problem with him taking a shot at it. He shouldn't take early clock 3s though. And apropos of nothing, LMAO at Lebron already trying to get a quality coach fired. Never change there buddy. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 27, 2019 20:30:21 GMT -5
Abdel Nader has carved out a role with the Thunder... good for him... he will have a nice little career for himself.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 27, 2019 23:48:32 GMT -5
Curious do people still think Doncic isn’t athletic enough?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 28, 2019 8:26:18 GMT -5
AD requested a trade from the Pelicans... can’t come to Boston until the offseason.... usually these trades happen over the summer tho so it’s doubtful he moves this deadline.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 28, 2019 8:53:37 GMT -5
AD requested a trade from the Pelicans... can’t come to Boston until the offseason.... usually these trades happen over the summer tho so it’s doubtful he moves this deadline. It's time. I honestly wonder if AD will play again prior to the trade deadline. He has that weird hand thing that originally they said weeks or months and now are re-evaluating. Conspiracy theory is that he won't play until deadline but that he will get "positive reports" ahead of it so an acquiring team won't think they are picking up a dud if they have any playoff hopes this season. Obviously they'll still do medical. Him demanding now instead of this summer gives the Lakers a huge leg up on Celtics. I think he's LA bound; Brown's step back this season, Hayward and Horford not looking like studs plus the uncertainty of the Celtics picks (with no top of draft prize). |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 28, 2019 9:11:55 GMT -5
AD requested a trade from the Pelicans... can’t come to Boston until the offseason.... usually these trades happen over the summer tho so it’s doubtful he moves this deadline. It's time. I honestly wonder if AD will play again prior to the trade deadline. He has that weird hand thing that originally they said weeks or months and now are re-evaluating. Conspiracy theory is that he won't play until deadline but that he will get "positive reports" ahead of it so an acquiring team won't think they are picking up a dud if they have any playoff hopes this season. Obviously they'll still do medical. Him demanding now instead of this summer gives the Lakers a huge leg up on Celtics. I think he's LA bound; Brown's step back this season, Hayward and Horford not looking like studs plus the uncertainty of the Celtics picks (with no top of draft prize). Unless they get bowled over with an offer or the team is dumb then they have to wait until the Celtics can be part of it since they have the most assets to deal. You talk about Brown taking a set back, but Ingram has taken a bigger one and Brown has come out of it lately. He may be LA bound, but his agents really don’t have much to do with it. NOLA doesn’t have any obligation to deal him and they don’t need to listen to where he wants to go. He also has 2 years left so his threat of not extending is minimal. NOLA will do what’s best for the team with a trade. If the Celtics included Tatum that means AD is in Boston. I’m not sure if Ainge will do that or not. Ainge wasn’t going to do the Garnett deal with Rondo involved - the difference is Jefferson was the big piece that Minnesota wanted. It wouldn’t surprise me if he goes somewhere other than LA or Boston..: like Phoenix because they include Ayton |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 28, 2019 10:10:44 GMT -5
Interesting read over the weekend on "unnamed" Golden State player saying that Hayward is a negative for the team right now. Watching just that game I have to agree - though it depends if it is confident Hayward or recovering Hayward on a particular night. Pretty tough catch 22 for Stevens - does he let him play through the recovery, or put him in, see what he gets that night then pulls him....tough situation. I saw a linked article on stats that Celtics production per possession or time goes way down with him in the game this season so far. Found this - nesn.com/2019/01/nba-rumors-warriors-player-believes-gordon-hayward-is-hurting-celtics/ - but there is a more in depth analysis that had stats with him in and out....could have been a link on twitter, but can't find it now. |
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Post by mobaz on Jan 28, 2019 11:53:18 GMT -5
Interesting read over the weekend on "unnamed" Golden State player saying that Hayward is a negative for the team right now. Watching just that game I have to agree - though it depends if it is confident Hayward or recovering Hayward on a particular night. Pretty tough catch 22 for Stevens - does he let him play through the recovery, or put him in, see what he gets that night then pulls him....tough situation. I saw a linked article on stats that Celtics production per possession or time goes way down with him in the game this season so far. Found this - nesn.com/2019/01/nba-rumors-warriors-player-believes-gordon-hayward-is-hurting-celtics/ - but there is a more in depth analysis that had stats with him in and out....could have been a link on twitter, but can't find it now. I wonder if Brad is trying to get him going in the regular season but will shorten the rotation in the post season such that he's a situational player instead. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 28, 2019 12:24:23 GMT -5
AD requested a trade from the Pelicans... can’t come to Boston until the offseason.... usually these trades happen over the summer tho so it’s doubtful he moves this deadline. Danny is going to have a tough time matching salaries here. I don't think he's willing to move both Tatum and Brown. It's also going to depend on what the Lakers are willing to do. Would they trade Kuzma AND Ingram? Would the Pelicans rather have Ingram or Tatum (I think Tatum is clearly the better player, but the Pelicans are the Pelicans for a reason)? Lonzo has negative value right now, so I think we have more to offer the Pelicans when you consider the amount of picks we still have. It's interesting. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2019 13:47:56 GMT -5
IF AD agrees to waive his Trade Kicker, C's need to get to about $21Mn. Right now, the "cleanest" way to do that is Marcus Smart (plus JT or JB and some smaller salaries). Some unclean options:
1. Opt out guys like Horford and Baynes but would they opt in knowing they're getting moved?
2. 2019 draft picks. Currently, they have no financial value for cap matching. However, a deal could be struck and players signed before trading them to NO (I believe 30 days must past post signing) and then they would have value
3. Not sure what Davis' Trade Bonus is (I believe a lot of them are 15%) but the salary match would have to be increased if he doesn't waive. That could be a piece of leverage AD has in determining his destination.
4. Trading an RFA like Rozier is complicated in so many ways. Many threads out there on why (Keith Smith, Ryan Bernadoni, etc)
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 28, 2019 14:15:16 GMT -5
IF AD agrees to waive his Trade Kicker, C's need to get to about $21Mn. Right now, the "cleanest" way to do that is Marcus Smart (plus JT or JB and some smaller salaries). Some unclean options: 1. Opt out guys like Horford and Baynes but would they opt in knowing they're getting moved? 2. 2019 draft picks. Currently, they have no financial value for cap matching. However, a deal could be struck and players signed before trading them to NO (I believe 30 days must past post signing) and then they would have value 3. Not sure what Davis' Trade Bonus is (I believe a lot of them are 15%) but the salary match would have to be increased if he doesn't waive. That could be a piece of leverage AD has in determining his destination. 4. Trading an RFA like Rozier is complicated in so many ways. Many threads out there on why (Keith Smith, Ryan Bernadoni, etc) Not sure Marcus Smart makes a lot of sense for the Pelicans, but yeah you have to center the package around him. Drafting guys for New Orleans would also work I guess. Too many moving pieces. People are talking a lot about the Celtics and the Lakers, but watch out for the Nuggets here. They have a LOT of young talent and I think guys like Harris, Murray, Beasley and Morris compare favorably to what the Lakers can offer out there, pick 2 or 3 out of those and picks and they STILL have enough depth to compete. A team built around Jokic and AD is championship caliber. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2019 14:25:08 GMT -5
If the C's are involved, it will likely include picks that Boston makes for NO. I would guess that the paramaters of any C's deal would be set prior to the draft (but consummated after July 1) and it will likely include SOME '19 picks.
Hopefully, Memphis keeps their pick this year and it becomes closer to what the SAC pick was supposed to be. Meanwhile, I would imagine 2 of the other 3 picks would be included
Any salary matches (Opt In guys, Smart, etc) would likely be flipped to another team (or part of a 3-Team in the first place) so the "fit" is probably less critical (I would think).
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 28, 2019 14:48:07 GMT -5
IF AD agrees to waive his Trade Kicker, C's need to get to about $21Mn. Right now, the "cleanest" way to do that is Marcus Smart (plus JT or JB and some smaller salaries). Some unclean options: 1. Opt out guys like Horford and Baynes but would they opt in knowing they're getting moved? 2. 2019 draft picks. Currently, they have no financial value for cap matching. However, a deal could be struck and players signed before trading them to NO (I believe 30 days must past post signing) and then they would have value 3. Not sure what Davis' Trade Bonus is (I believe a lot of them are 15%) but the salary match would have to be increased if he doesn't waive. That could be a piece of leverage AD has in determining his destination. 4. Trading an RFA like Rozier is complicated in so many ways. Many threads out there on why (Keith Smith, Ryan Bernadoni, etc) Not sure Marcus Smart makes a lot of sense for the Pelicans, but yeah you have to center the package around him. Drafting guys for New Orleans would also work I guess. Too many moving pieces. People are talking a lot about the Celtics and the Lakers, but watch out for the Nuggets here. They have a LOT of young talent and I think guys like Harris, Murray, Beasley and Morris compare favorably to what the Lakers can offer out there, pick 2 or 3 out of those and picks and they STILL have enough depth to compete. A team built around Jokic and AD is championship caliber. A team built with 2 bigs would be a disaster in my opinion but yes the Nuggets have the pieces. Fit won’t much matter - they are rebuilding after this trade. Smart would be flipped to someone else for more pieces. I doubt it’d be a 3 team deal though those are just more difficult to make. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 28, 2019 14:55:11 GMT -5
A team built with 2 bigs would be a disaster in my opinion but yes the Nuggets have the pieces. Fit won’t much matter - they are rebuilding after this trade. Smart would be flipped to someone else for more pieces. I doubt it’d be a 3 team deal though those are just more difficult to make. Jokic and AD together could be revolutionary. If we don't land him, and the timing of this request and the very possible and honestly grotesque collusion between Lebron and Rich Paul don't get my hopes up, I hope the Nuggets somehow do. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 28, 2019 15:03:15 GMT -5
I really, really don't want to see Tatum going anywhere. We are seeing a spectacular game in its infancy.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2019 15:32:03 GMT -5
The nightmare scenario is that AD goes elsewhere and Kyrie decides not to re-up in Boston (there are those who still think this is a distinct possibility).
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