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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2019 15:55:58 GMT -5
Chris Haynes (who I think is very good) wrote a piece that includes some obvious postering. It says that Boston is NOT a desired destination for AD bc of the uncertainty that Kyrie will sign there.
That's absurd. Not that it's a lock Kyrie signs, but no Boston deal will transpire until that's set in stone. So it's completely irrelevant to the discussion, isn't it?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 28, 2019 16:06:18 GMT -5
Chris Haynes (who I think is very good) wrote a piece that includes some obvious postering. It says that Boston is NOT a desired destination for AD bc of the uncertainty that Kyrie will sign there. That's absurd. Not that it's a lock Kyrie signs, but no Boston deal will transpire until that's set in stone. So it's completely irrelevant to the discussion, isn't it? Well it implies he’s getting dealt before the deadline and if he does then Boston isn’t a possibility to get him unless they dealt Kyrie so yes it’s irrelevant |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2019 16:10:12 GMT -5
It's just so obvious, I'm not sure why Haynes would even include it in the piece. He's not usually a mouthpiece for agents (which that line would seem to make him in this case).
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 28, 2019 16:28:29 GMT -5
It's just so obvious, I'm not sure why Haynes would even include it in the piece. He's not usually a mouthpiece for agents (which that line would seem to make him in this case). Yeah. Friends let's not even waste our time here. This thing is bullsh*t and obviously rigged so the Pelicans are basically forced to trade him to the Lakers. I hope they resist. F*ck Rich Paul and f*ck Lebron, punt his ass to a sh*t team and let him play there next season. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 28, 2019 16:41:57 GMT -5
Doesn't this open up a new discussion, like Randle might now be available? He's likely not resigning to a rebuilding team. Nevermind while I hate to say this the Lakers have the inside track on Davis. It's just will they go all in? If they do he's gone, we can't match nor should we Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball. We'll just have to wait and see, crap just got interesting.
Still if I'm Danny, while the world goes crazzy over Davis, I strike for Randle. Yabu, Bird, and our first round pick. No player can change this team like Randle at what he'll likely cost.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 28, 2019 16:51:20 GMT -5
If they do he's gone, we can't match nor should we Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball. We could easily match that. Ball sucks, Ingram and Kuzma are okay but honestly I'd rather have Tatum and Brown. Whether Danny would do that is a different thing, but this whole discussion is moot. Dude is signaling to the media that he wants LA, Lebron signed there because he knew this would happen. I hope the Pels resist. |
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Post by ctfisher on Jan 28, 2019 16:53:57 GMT -5
I really, really don't want to see Tatum going anywhere. We are seeing a spectacular game in its infancy. I think if they try to insist on Tatum being included we say no, flat out. I think the most likely scenario is probably an offer built around brown, the Memphis and SAC picks, and then a sign and trade of rozier, assuming that he probably would be more expensive than smart (and a worse fit for us anyway). Presumably we’d probably have to find some additional salary filler to get the deal done, but I think that’s doable, and if it were me, I’d certainly be a lot more excited about that offer than some mix and match of the lakers relatively mediocre young guys (though admittedly I may be biased) |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 28, 2019 16:57:24 GMT -5
Doesn't this open up a new discussion, like Randle might now be available? He's likely not resigning to a rebuilding team. Nevermind while I hate to say this the Lakers have the inside track on Davis. It's just will they go all in? If they do he's gone, we can't match nor should we Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball. We'll just have to wait and see, crap just got interesting. Still if I'm Danny, while the world goes crazzy over Davis, I strike for Randle. Yabu, Bird, and our first round pick. No player can change this team like Randle at what he'll likely cost. You need to include Rozier to make that deal work |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 28, 2019 17:07:32 GMT -5
Still if I'm Danny, while the world goes crazzy over Davis, I strike for Randle. Yabu, Bird, and our first round pick. No player can change this team like Randle at what he'll likely cost. You need to include Rozier to make that deal work Or Morris, which would be more sensible considering playing time. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 28, 2019 17:54:25 GMT -5
Ok I messed up I thought he was like 6.6 million, not 8.6 million. That makes things harder. I'd vote Morris, but I'm not sure Danny does that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 28, 2019 18:48:15 GMT -5
If they do he's gone, we can't match nor should we Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball. We could easily match that. Ball sucks, Ingram and Kuzma are okay but honestly I'd rather have Tatum and Brown. Whether Danny would do that is a different thing, but this whole discussion is moot. Dude is signaling to the media that he wants LA, Lebron signed there because he knew this would happen. I hope the Pels resist. I agree with this... Ball and Ingram’s value has plummeted. Kuzma is a nice piece but he’s very limited and more of a player a good team wants not a rebuilding one. Jaylen Brown is likely more sought after than Ball or Ingram at this point. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 28, 2019 19:02:16 GMT -5
Sorry. Realized I was repeating myself. Long day.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 28, 2019 21:02:17 GMT -5
I agree with this... Ball and Ingram’s value has plummeted. Kuzma is a nice piece but he’s very limited and more of a player a good team wants not a rebuilding one. Jaylen Brown is likely more sought after than Ball or Ingram at this point. Ingram still holds some kind of value, but the fact that he can't shoot the 3 definitely limits his ceiling. Lonzo is a trainwreck, he's borderline useless on the floor considering he's a PG that can't hit FTs. Also, the Celtics young core led them to a conference final series. The Lakers young core led them to miss the playoffs. We can definitely beat their package. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 28, 2019 21:40:30 GMT -5
I agree with this... Ball and Ingram’s value has plummeted. Kuzma is a nice piece but he’s very limited and more of a player a good team wants not a rebuilding one. Jaylen Brown is likely more sought after than Ball or Ingram at this point. Ingram still holds some kind of value, but the fact that he can't shoot the 3 definitely limits his ceiling. Lonzo is a trainwreck, he's borderline useless on the floor considering he's a PG that can't hit FTs. Also, the Celtics young core led them to a conference final series. The Lakers young core led them to miss the playoffs. We can definitely beat their package. Maybe we will be happy dealing Tatum and keeping Brown... I really don’t want to deal Tatum but if they keep Al and have to deal Smart then Jaylen is arguably more important than Tatum to the rotation... Tatum is basically a trump card in negotiations. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 28, 2019 21:58:26 GMT -5
Maybe we will be happy dealing Tatum and keeping Brown... I really don’t want to deal Tatum but if they keep Al and have to deal Smart then Jaylen is arguably more important than Tatum to the rotation... Tatum is basically a trump card in negotiations. I really don't want to trade Tatum either, but he's probably the best player the Pelicans can get in any offer. It's tough to deal him but you have to do it when the return is Anthony Davis. We'll see, if he isn't dealt by the deadline then I'm a believer again, until then I'll just consider him a Laker. Nice win tonight btw. The Nets have been very good lately and we were down Kyrie. Hayward still looks terrible, can't we phantom DL him for a week or two? He looks like he could use a break. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 28, 2019 22:17:36 GMT -5
Didn't watch or listen tonight, but it was a nice balanced box score. Baynes seemed to be really efficient in his minutes, but aside from what looked like an off shooting night for Tatum, well done in Irving's absence. Agree that it seems time to give Hayward a bit of a break.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 28, 2019 23:29:33 GMT -5
To be clear I say you couldn't beat their offer because I'm not trading Tatum, Brown, and picks. I'm not sure I'm trading Tatum, even for Davis.
I think some of you are rather low on Kuzma and Ball. I'm not an Ingram guy, but they guys a player. At minimum a very solid starter. Ball has major upside. He's kinda raw, but he plays D, rebounds, passes and has greatly improved his jump shot. If you watch him play he's like Brown, you see big time flashes of what he can become. I see a Rondo with better shooting.
Current rumors have the starting price being Kuzma, Ball, Zubac, and a first round pick. Whats the comp for that? Brown, Williams, along with Kings and Grizz picks? Now if you get into a bidding war?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 29, 2019 5:08:41 GMT -5
To be clear I say you couldn't beat their offer because I'm not trading Tatum, Brown, and picks. I'm not sure I'm trading Tatum, even for Davis. I think some of you are rather low on Kuzma and Ball. I'm not an Ingram guy, but they guys a player. At minimum a very solid starter. Ball has major upside. He's kinda raw, but he plays D, rebounds, passes and has greatly improved his jump shot. If you watch him play he's like Brown, you see big time flashes of what he can become. I see a Rondo with better shooting. Current rumors have the starting price being Kuzma, Ball, Zubac, and a first round pick. Whats the comp for that? Brown, Williams, along with Kings and Grizz picks? Now if you get into a bidding war? These discussions are hard because there are so many variables such as who does NOLA like better? Also; having a guy like Tatum could screw you if you won’t include him because some teams get fixated on your best assets and even if your second best player is better it equal to another team’s best he gets devalued because he’s number 2 on your list versus an arbitrary number 1 or your negotiations sour because you’ve said no on something creating negativity around your negotiation. That being said... you’re a Ball guy you are going to be higher on him than me and many others. But that proves the point above in a way. At the very least, can you see why a team wouldn’t like his game let alone his baggage? Part of the Ball issue is the position he plays at PG is the deepest in the league. The other part of the issue is, where is he as a player when you have to make a decision on him to extend him and how’s that fit your rebuilding timeline... Kuzma is a really good player, but that’s it. He’s not a building block guy, which means if you’re a smart team the reason you’d want him is to trade him later, which isn’t a bad thing. It’s another asset and that’s really all NOLA should care about. NOLA needs to start over after this trade which means they are years and years away. Personality, I think Brown has a better chance to be a top 3 on a championship team than any of the Lakers guys and I think that’s more important than volume of assets. Let’s hope he finishes the year strong for a lot of reasons, but that being one of them. I don’t see Danny trading Tatum AND Brown. It would be one of them plus Williams (this is where limited playing time might help us - he showed big time flashes and should be a more desirable target than Zubac - who again will hit FA that much earlier and isn’t a building block), plus picks - focusing on that Memphis pick. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 29, 2019 9:10:44 GMT -5
Ball has major upside. He's kinda raw, but he plays D, rebounds, passes and has greatly improved his jump shot. If you watch him play he's like Brown, you see big time flashes of what he can become. I see a Rondo with better shooting. I see a player out of the NBA in a couple of years. I do like Kuzma and Ingram a lot, I think those are more comparable to Brown. Jaylen is having a down year, but he was really good last season and all around tremendous in the playoffs. Ball hasn't shown anything like that at all. Current rumors have the starting price being Kuzma, Ball, Zubac, and a first round pick. Whats the comp for that? Brown, Williams, along with Kings and Grizz picks? Now if you get into a bidding war? I can see your point and I do agree that Danny won't get into a bidding war. To me it truly depends on his willingness to include Tatum. If he does that, we got the trade. If not, I don't think we'll get it. It's difficult. I'm also very attached to Tatum and I think he's a superstar in the making, but he likely won't reach AD levels. On the other hand, some roster continuity would be fine. The more I think about it, the more I like your idea of trying to buy low on Randle. Now THAT would be a Danny Ainge move. Come on Danny, get a big for once. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 29, 2019 9:48:49 GMT -5
I am not at all a Ball fan - part of it is the baggage he likely brings (with his ego inflated dad) - I think team fit is important. I wonder the same about Davis. Getting great talent that doesn't fit doesn't seem like an improvement over keeping great talent that does. Using a Red Sox analogy - the 2013 team and the 2018 team both had great team wide fit. I know there are many who downplay that part of it - but I can't see Stevens with a team that is not fully bought in to team.
I watched Ingram at Duke for his one season - super talented, wondering if he is fragile (quite slight). My preference is to keep Tatum, let AD go and be creative in other ways. (as a Duke fan, I drool to ponder either Barrett or Williamson on the Celtics - then again, so is every other pro BBall fan)
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 29, 2019 10:32:16 GMT -5
I am not at all a Ball fan - part of it is the baggage he likely brings (with his ego inflated dad) - I think team fit is important. I wonder the same about Davis. Getting great talent that doesn't fit doesn't seem like an improvement over keeping great talent that does. Using a Red Sox analogy - the 2013 team and the 2018 team both had great team wide fit. I know there are many who downplay that part of it - but I can't see Stevens with a team that is not fully bought in to team. I watched Ingram at Duke for his one season - super talented, wondering if he is fragile (quite slight). My preference is to keep Tatum, let AD go and be creative in other ways. (as a Duke fan, I drool to ponder either Barrett or Williamson on the Celtics - then again, so is every other pro BBall fan) If AD isn’t traded until the summer and the Celtics got as lucky as can be by winning the number 2 pick then Jaylen Brown and that pick will be going to NOLA for Anthony Davis... that’s almost guaranteed. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 29, 2019 11:51:22 GMT -5
FWIW - Woj's piece indicates Davis/Paul will begin informing teams LAL is the only team he'll re-sign with when he becomes a free agent.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 29, 2019 12:33:58 GMT -5
FWIW - Woj's piece indicates Davis/Paul will begin informing teams LAL is the only team he'll re-sign with when he becomes a free agent. Seems pretty sketchy... also, why if you’re Davis? LeBron is 34... he’s been out a while (probably faking it somewhat) with a groin injury and Davis has 2 years before he’s a free agent after this one... you want to hitch on to a 37 year old Bron |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 29, 2019 12:43:50 GMT -5
I agree 100%.
1. We've heard "preferred destinations" connected to George, Leonard and Butler. None of them went to the reported team.
2. Toronto doesn't care about his preferred destination and has more control given the 1 1/2 - 2 years before he hits free agency
3. Of course, once on a new team and (hopefully for him) making a run at the playoffs/finals, what he says know could be rendered laughable.
As many have suggested, Klutch/Paul (James) seem to know that LAL can't put together the best package so they are trying to suppress other offers.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 29, 2019 13:22:06 GMT -5
FWIW - Woj's piece indicates Davis/Paul will begin informing teams LAL is the only team he'll re-sign with when he becomes a free agent. Well there you have it friends, now let's move on and aim at Randle or Vucevic. I really hope the Pelicans trade him anywhere but the Lakers just to mess up this ridiculous collusion. Trade him to Phoenix. Rich Paul doesn't rule the NBA, don't give in New Orleans. |
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