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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 31, 2019 5:28:39 GMT -5
Don't the Celtics have to wait to trade Kyrie after a extension because of some rule or exception? No they can deal Kyrie whenever; they just can’t have both Kyrie and Davis on the team with their current contracts because they are both Rose rule extensions and you’re only allowed one of those on your team. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 5:46:30 GMT -5
Don't the Celtics have to wait to trade Kyrie after a extension because of some rule or exception? No they can deal Kyrie whenever; they just can’t have both Kyrie and Davis on the team with their current contracts because they are both Rose rule extensions and you’re only allowed one of those on your team. Ohh okay, that's how the rule went. Yeah I'd trade Kyrie in a minute then. Add- The Pelicans would trade Kyrie the minute he got there for more picks, I'd imagine too. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 6:13:39 GMT -5
See I don't think you can keep Davis unless you have Kyrie.
Without going too deep back into the Kyrie discussion, I think we were/are still seeing part of the process with him.
More recently (albeit in between rest games) we've seen the version of him that we want. Getting guys involved AND getting his and taking over when necessary.
Last year was fantastic but it was different than anyone thought (including hum and the players).
1. Gordon goes down immediately so Irving never got a chance to LEAD another star.
2. The kids (Tatum, Brown, Irving) are just role players riding along.
3. THEN Kyrie goes down and the kids step up and show varying levels of stardom (maybe strong for Rozier but you get the point).
4. This everyone comes back and wants to be what they were when they last were on the court. You even have Mook being less of a role player and more want to be the guy (call it a contract push or whatever).
I see all the criticism of Kyrie and I get it. I see all the defense and I get that too (very Switzerland of me, I know).
I just think it's part of everyone maturing as a team.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 6:30:16 GMT -5
I don't know, Tatum and AD is a great start to any franchise. That's the only thing you're going to have though. Most of your other pieces to the franchise will be gone in that trade, especially the draft picks and Brown/Williams.
I'm kind of with Umass and thinking I would rather have Randle instead.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 31, 2019 7:48:55 GMT -5
Kyrie isn’t getting traded it’s nonsensical to even talk about.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 8:24:02 GMT -5
I agree with rjp but I'll play.
I'm the FIRST person to admit that just bc something hasn't happened before, doesn't mean it can't/won't happen. But, so far, super teams aren't created bc of the promise of what a young budding star might be in the future (even if it's the near future). These teams are formed:
1. By players who are ALREADY stars/superstars and at the top of their positions
2. By players who have developed relationships after playing against each other for multiple years; with/against each other in All-Star games; and with each other in the Olympics/World competitions. Part of the confidence in keeping Davis would be based on the fact that Kyrie is an All-Star NOW who goes through stretches of playing MVP caliber ball. He is also, by all accounts, very close to Davis personally. Tatum doesn't have those things yet. He may very well be someday but he's not YET the guy stars are clamoring to play with.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 8:29:28 GMT -5
In the "let's read into everything" mode of this, I thought Bulpett had an interesting line in his article addressing the Kyrie might not sign here. Acknowledging that ANYTHING can change, he did point out something that I didn't know (whether it's really important are not, who can say?).
In that Nike commercial with his Dad, the closing piece was Kyrie looking up to the retired numbers in the Garden san saying something like "He's the reason I wear #11. I want to be the reason nobody else does". According to Steve, that was 100% Kyrie. Nike didn't come up with it. The C's didn't. Kyrie.
So at the time of the filming of the spot, Kyrie pushed to include that he wanted to be the next CELTIC legend. Again, anything can change but it was, at least little, interesting.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 31, 2019 8:32:16 GMT -5
Kyrie isn’t getting traded it’s nonsensical to even talk about. He absolutely isn't. Danny has done some crazy things, but he has never gone this crazy. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 9:27:59 GMT -5
BRobb (BSJ) said he's coming out with a Plan B article (if not Davis, then who could be the next guy that they target). Very interested to see his take on who would qualify. I can't envision any scenario where it's someone of Davis's stature. But I'm curious to see what he'll use as criteria.
I've heard so many people say KAT but he just signed an extension and wouldn't be in Davis' position until 23-24 I believe. So even though he's not as good as Davis, you might have to pay as much or more given Minnesota would have ALL the leverage.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 31, 2019 11:10:10 GMT -5
Just go after Randle. It's the smart low cost upgrade that adds an element we don't have. He's like half the player Davis is at 1/10th the cost. No gutting the team. I also think if this drags out we'll have to pay a higher price than other teams. Just because our best assets are better.
I will add I don't think Irving resigning is a given either. I believe what he said, when he said it. Just things have kinda changed. We aren't the powerhouse people thought at this time. There isn't loyalty in todays NBA and Irving might not want to wait if he feels we are a few years away. People can change their minds and I feel Irving changes his all the time. So if you want Irving making a move to increase your chances in the playoffs is the smart play. I won't come close to fully trusting him till he actually resigns.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 11:59:13 GMT -5
Agree with the "everyone can change their mind notion" but the C's insiders (Bulpett and Jackie Mac at the top) are scoffing at the notion so I put more weight towards that. The reports that have been there about Kyrie's interest in leaving are:
1. Reports about what AD's camp believe (as we are reminded during lying season, who does that benefit - Klutch/LAL)
2. I didn't directly see Bucher's report so this is based on what others are saying. But wasn't it almost a side comment? If it were a thing, seems strange to burry that within the larger article, no?
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 31, 2019 12:02:04 GMT -5
I will add I don't think Irving resigning is a given either. I believe what he said, when he said it. Just things have kinda changed. We aren't the powerhouse people thought at this time. There isn't loyalty in todays NBA and Irving might not want to wait if he feels we are a few years away. People can change their minds and I feel Irving changes his all the time. So if you want Irving making a move to increase your chances in the playoffs is the smart play. I won't come close to fully trusting him till he actually resigns. Where could Kyrie sign that would offer him a better team than the one he currently has? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 12:16:28 GMT -5
I will add I don't think Irving resigning is a given either. I believe what he said, when he said it. Just things have kinda changed. We aren't the powerhouse people thought at this time. There isn't loyalty in todays NBA and Irving might not want to wait if he feels we are a few years away. People can change their minds and I feel Irving changes his all the time. So if you want Irving making a move to increase your chances in the playoffs is the smart play. I won't come close to fully trusting him till he actually resigns. Where could Kyrie sign that would offer him a better team than the one he currently has? I worry about Kyrie being a snowflake and not worrying about the team with the best chance to win. Like going to New York because that is where his girlfriend is from and that's where he'll be advertised on Billboard's and crap. That and star in more movies and all that crap that means nothing to us but could be something huge for Kyrie. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 12:18:45 GMT -5
Some reports today are that Pelicans are pissed about Klutch's power play (sounds like Davis even went to Demps to convince him) and refuse to trade him to LAL prior to the deadline.
So once we're passed the deadline, all the "doubt" talk will be gone. By the time Boston can execute a trade, everyone will know Kyrie's intentions.
As to where Kyrie could go, NY is always looming. They, like others, will have significant cap space and could even be a contender for Davis if they win the lottery.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 31, 2019 13:03:35 GMT -5
Good for the Pelicans. That city already got screwed by a LA team recently on their way to a Super Bowl, it would not go well to offer up their biggest star for the walking dissing track duo Ball and Kuzma.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 31, 2019 13:26:18 GMT -5
Good for the Pelicans. That city already got screwed by a LA team recently on their way to a Super Bowl, it would not go well to offer up their biggest star for the walking dissing track duo Ball and Kuzma. Good for the Celtics can get him a little cheaper maybe |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 13:59:56 GMT -5
Now reports are out that Porzingis has met with NY about clarity on his role with the Knicks and their direction as a franchise.
Not a trade request mind you.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 14:29:28 GMT -5
And now there are reports that NO and LAL have touched based and will do so again before the tradeline.
NOTE - this will be my last "it's being reported" unless there is something WAY more tangible and less prone to either lying or a quick turnaround (either could apply to this situation).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 14:33:08 GMT -5
When's the trade deadline this year?
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 14:54:21 GMT -5
Feb 7 at 3pm
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 31, 2019 14:57:27 GMT -5
Wow, okay. No wonder teams are going nuts right now with trade talks. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 14:58:09 GMT -5
I know I promised, but this one is interesting bc it's from Woj and Ramona Shelburn
Porzingis left his meeting feeling like the best thing would be for him to be traded and the Knicks are expected to begin discussions.
That being said, 1 of the "discussions" has to be with Nola and I don't think that is likely until after the lottery.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 31, 2019 15:06:53 GMT -5
Is Porzingus back this year? If so, Jaylen Brown and a non Sac/Memphis pick who says no?
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Post by texs31 on Jan 31, 2019 15:43:48 GMT -5
Accoring to Woj/Stein, Dallas says no.
Close to acquiring him. Gotta believe DSJ is involved.
EDIT - Oh and does it ever. It's a biggie. KP, Hardaway and Lee for Jordan, DSJ, Matthews and a pick.
EDIT2 - Woj said it's Lee, Charnia said it's Burke
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 31, 2019 15:55:03 GMT -5
Welp
He’s going to Dallas with Hardaway and Lee for Smith and expiring contracts... Dallas building a Euro powerhouse
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