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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 22, 2019 15:33:35 GMT -5
Do you not think he is going to be a 20/10 guy for his career?
Coach K: Everybody talks about his ability to jump and dunk, he has great body control, he has guard skills.....he can play any position.
I don't remember Coach K being big on hyperbole.
Yes the shot needs work. I actually think he is too strong and just hasn't really developed touch yet. He will impact games like Marcus Smart does with his intensity, imagine that out of a man that size. Have you ever seen someone close like he did and rise up high enough to block that open 3? It is like they used to say about Bo Jackson, even his teammates would be amazed in practice with the things he did.
But yes todays NBA is all about the 3, I know.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 22, 2019 16:14:02 GMT -5
Do you not think he is going to be a 20/10 guy for his career? Coach K: Everybody talks about his ability to jump and dunk, he has great body control, he has guard skills.....he can play any position. I don't remember Coach K being big on hyperbole. Yes the shot needs work. I actually think he is too strong and just hasn't really developed touch yet. He will impact games like Marcus Smart does with his intensity, imagine that out of a man that size. Have you ever seen someone close like he did and rise up high enough to block that open 3? It is like they used to say about Bo Jackson, even his teammates would be amazed in practice with the things he did. But yes todays NBA is all about the 3, I know. He does have guard like handle but he’s a bit predictable. He will need to adjust his moves or he’s going to continue to spin into charges. Honestly, that’s one of the biggest threats to Duke, his offensive fouls taking him out of the game. His shot is bad. His shoulders and feet don’t square together. He’s actually more square to the hoop with his shoulders when his feet are about 45 degrees away from the basket. This makes for a very awkward shot. Can he improve? Of course, but he needs to find mechanics that work then repeat them. It’s a lot harder than someone who just needs reps. He’s a rare player who doesn’t need a great shot to be effective but we’ve seen what a guy like Simmons does to his team on offense. It’s a glaring problem in an important part of the game that will affect how you can structure things around him, BUT he’s so special in the other areas it won’t matter too much. It’s just a matter of how good can he become. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 22, 2019 16:58:53 GMT -5
All this talk about Zion is this and not that or it is just athleticism. Do you watch his games? He came back from injury and went 13 for 13, his fg% is almost 70% for the season. He blocks shots like it is a volleyball set spike, he blocks guys who are wide open from 3 pt range, he plays great D, cleans the glass, has a relentless motor. Have we ever seen an athlete this size do what he does? NO!! 285lbs and jamming from the FT line like Mike. "ala Vince Carter, Lebron James, Blake Griffen" Vince Carter is still dunkning on guys and he is 42, take that Tom Brady. Lebron is somewhere between the best and the fifth best to ever play the game. Griffen, too many injuries. By the way, basketball is all about athleticism. He will be a 20/10 guy from his rookie season until he is in his thirtys. You can take that to the bank. Or go ahead and take your chances with Morant or Barrett, no GM is going to make that call. I could be wrong but I have watched a lot of basketball over the last 40+ years and he does some things I haven't seen. And he seems like a good kid that isn't going to blow it by being a dummy. I don’t disagree with basically anything your saying. I would not be surprised at all if Zion is a 20/10 guy from the jump. I would be absolutely shocked if he averaged 20/10 into his thirties. You’re not understanding why he’s different from Lebron, Carter, and Griffin. Those guys were always skilled players. Lebron was an ambidextrous freakshow from eighth grade on that could handle the ball better than point guards and is probably the best passing forward in league history. Blake Griffin is an all time point forward with unbelievable handles and a tremendous mid range game. Vince Carter was a great one on one scorer who was a Kobe Bryant like shot maker. Zion’s closer to Shawn Kemp and Larry Johnson than those guys. I expect Zion to be the Rookie of the Year. I expect him to be an all star early in his career. But I don’t see enough as a basketball player to see him transition well into a more conservative, 82+ game a year playing style into his mid to late 20’s The questions are not whether Zion is going to be a good player or whether he is a generational athelete.. The questions are whether he is the best prospect since Lebron (as has been mentioned) and whether he is a superstar. And to both of those questions, I would say no, he is neither of those things. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 22, 2019 20:07:52 GMT -5
Monroe back on a 10 day deal
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 22, 2019 20:32:59 GMT -5
Having watched every Duke game this year, Zion is simply unique. How his talent translates to the pros will be fascinating to watch....18 years old, 6'7 and 275 pounds, handles the ball like a guard, can pass - so sad I am getting only one season to watch Zion and RJ Barrett.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Mar 23, 2019 1:25:49 GMT -5
Monroe back on a 10 day deal Is monroe playoff eligible? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2019 11:48:35 GMT -5
All this talk about Zion is this and not that or it is just athleticism. Do you watch his games? He came back from injury and went 13 for 13, his fg% is almost 70% for the season. He blocks shots like it is a volleyball set spike, he blocks guys who are wide open from 3 pt range, he plays great D, cleans the glass, has a relentless motor. Have we ever seen an athlete this size do what he does? NO!! 285lbs and jamming from the FT line like Mike. "ala Vince Carter, Lebron James, Blake Griffen" Vince Carter is still dunkning on guys and he is 42, take that Tom Brady. Lebron is somewhere between the best and the fifth best to ever play the game. Griffen, too many injuries. By the way, basketball is all about athleticism. He will be a 20/10 guy from his rookie season until he is in his thirtys. You can take that to the bank. Or go ahead and take your chances with Morant or Barrett, no GM is going to make that call. I could be wrong but I have watched a lot of basketball over the last 40+ years and he does some things I haven't seen. And he seems like a good kid that isn't going to blow it by being a dummy. I don’t disagree with basically anything your saying. I would not be surprised at all if Zion is a 20/10 guy from the jump. I would be absolutely shocked if he averaged 20/10 into his thirties. You’re not understanding why he’s different from Lebron, Carter, and Griffin. Those guys were always skilled players. Lebron was an ambidextrous freakshow from eighth grade on that could handle the ball better than point guards and is probably the best passing forward in league history. Blake Griffin is an all time point forward with unbelievable handles and a tremendous mid range game. Vince Carter was a great one on one scorer who was a Kobe Bryant like shot maker. Zion’s closer to Shawn Kemp and Larry Johnson than those guys. I expect Zion to be the Rookie of the Year. I expect him to be an all star early in his career. But I don’t see enough as a basketball player to see him transition well into a more conservative, 82+ game a year playing style into his mid to late 20’s The questions are not whether Zion is going to be a good player or whether he is a generational athelete.. The questions are whether he is the best prospect since Lebron (as has been mentioned) and whether he is a superstar. And to both of those questions, I would say no, he is neither of those things. I think your way off with the Shawn Kemp comp. Kemp was a raw player that took years to develop. Williamson is a lot more skilled at an early age. He's like 5 years up on the Kemp age curve. Larry Johnson is a very good one, he blew up the league his first two years till his back issues. Still was a good player, but he was never the same after that. Nbadraft.net comp of Barkley/Griffin seems about right to me. He's special in so many ways. I just don't see how you stop him and he plays great defense. |
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 23, 2019 19:25:50 GMT -5
You cannot be worse coached than the Celtics this season.
Jaylen drops 29 points in 30 mins and still plays less than Morris. Stevens is dumb as rocks.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 23, 2019 19:26:01 GMT -5
And another brilliant effort...
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Post by ianrs on Mar 23, 2019 19:26:02 GMT -5
Another day, another meh loss to a meh team. Danny deserves some blame for doing literally nothing at the deadline. No big man prescence to speak of on this team.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 23, 2019 19:38:03 GMT -5
Well, rebounding has been a problem following the dissolution of the big 3. We have little inside presence from either side of the ball. We are a good, but not elite outside shooting team. I'm not surprised by this season. I guess the draft will hold no gems by the time we pick so I think we have to cash the chips. Tatum is not the guy we saw last year or eagerly anticipated him being this season......tighter coverage perhaps. But, I don't see him as being perennial all-star material in any case. Yes he is young, but how much upside does he have? Where would it come from? Quickness and agility seem to be issues. He goes in a deal for Davis.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 23, 2019 22:12:51 GMT -5
I think that whatever the lingering chemistry issues are on this team - and they are certainly there - is impacting pretty much everyone. Kyrie is not the answer to having a superstar lead them to or near a title - it is just a bad mix. Tatum to me has the goods, but for whatever reason is really off and it is getting worse.
This, sadly, will go down as a super talented team missing a few key players and failing due to lack of true "team"....to me they are not getting better, and the playoffs could be a very short stay.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 23, 2019 22:46:05 GMT -5
You cannot be worse coached than the Celtics this season. Jaylen drops 29 points in 30 mins and still plays less than Morris. Stevens is dumb as rocks. It truly is unbelievable. I don't even want to think about it, this is what Celtics basketball became this season. Something I try desperately to forget. |
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 23, 2019 23:40:37 GMT -5
I think that whatever the lingering chemistry issues are on this team - and they are certainly there - is impacting pretty much everyone. Kyrie is not the answer to having a superstar lead them to or near a title - it is just a bad mix. Tatum to me has the goods, but for whatever reason is really off and it is getting worse. This, sadly, will go down as a super talented team missing a few key players and failing due to lack of true "team"....to me they are not getting better, and the playoffs could be a very short stay. The lack of a competent coach is the biggest issue they’re facing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2019 0:46:01 GMT -5
You have to blame Danny for giving a player's coach such a hard team to coach. Along with keep Irving happy, we have to resign him. Morris traded before the season gets us under luxury tax and helps balance the team better. Add another big, give Stevens a complete team, not just the most talented team, that is flawed.
If your Steven's you play Morris because he fits with Irving better, Irving wants to play with him and he's better than Baynes, Williams, Their, Semi, etc. Danny forced him to go small.
You can certainly blame Steven's he deserves a bunch of blame. Yet he's a very competent coach, that has been proven about 10 times over. He was given maybe the most talented, yet tricky, messed up constructed team in recent memory. A team constructed to do the exact opposite of what Steven's wants to do. He wants a tough defensive first team, where his great play calling can get you enough points to win close games. It's why he started Baynes most of last season. He's forced to try and make a roster designed to outscore teams work. Playoffs always bring out the best or worst in coaches. Steven's has a few tricks up his shelve or I should say I think/hope he does. Just pulling a Bill, holding back the best stuff. Gotta be positive.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 24, 2019 8:05:31 GMT -5
For years now, Stevens has been getting tons of praise (deservedly so) for getting the most out of rosters with minimal talent. Everyone kept saying to wait until he has real talent to work with - and now that he does, it’s Danny’s fault for giving him too much talent? Come on.
I don’t think it’s a perfectly constructed roster by any stretch of the imagination, but the team should be a heck of a lot better than what they’ve shown. Danny deserves blame for not putting a championship roster together, but finishing behind an undermanned Pacers team speaks to just how bad of a job Stevens has done this year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2019 12:08:16 GMT -5
Where's the too much talent? We might be the deepest team in the league, but we don't come close to having the best overall talent level. WCP we need to face facts Irving is a notch below what the other top East teams have. Nevermind he messes up our team play and frankly acts like a spoiled kid. See his most recent comments.
Add that to a rosters that is crazy small and lost Baynes for what half a season? Trying to get Hayward back to being a useful player. Dealing with Irving making the team Vets Vs. Rookies. Which is the core issue with team play and lineups.
So why should they be better? Talent needs to fit together to work well. Our talent doesn't mesh at all. It's the exact opposite of last year's playoff team.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 24, 2019 12:33:00 GMT -5
I’m not sure why you guys want to pin this on Danny or Brad. Danny has won every trade he’s made, although the Kyrie one is tough. I would love to have Colin Sexton on a rookie contract.
Kyrie is an exceptional talent, but he’s also extremely immature. He thinks publicly criticizing his teammates is the right way to motivate, and he’s the Celtics worst defender when he’s on the court, especially in crunch time.
Brad’s been put in a tough situation, because he has to live or die with Kyrie, at least this year. It was hard to predict that Kyrie would be so sulky and self-centered. Lebron clearly had him on a tight leash in Cleveland, so you can’t really argue with the value the Celtics got when they made the trade.
The reality is, the East is the deepest it has been since the 90’s, and Kyrie has been a major disappointment as a leader.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 24, 2019 16:27:41 GMT -5
Oh boy, Zion vs. 7'6" Tacko is going to be quite a matchup.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 24, 2019 18:31:55 GMT -5
Oh boy, Zion vs. 7'6" Tacko is going to be quite a matchup. My god, this game. Will be the best of the tournament no matter what happens. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 24, 2019 19:13:00 GMT -5
Dawkins was amazing. Zion was amazing.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 24, 2019 20:25:28 GMT -5
Celtics 4 for 30 on threes with 7 minutes left. That's 13.8 percent. Wow.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 24, 2019 20:44:05 GMT -5
Well, they improved to 7 for 35. 18 percent. Gave up 30 points in 3 quarters. Scored 25 or less in 4 quarters. Irving 5 for 17 for a whopping -14. Smart -22. Brown -26.
can we officially call this team a mess yet?
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 24, 2019 22:41:43 GMT -5
Yeah running out of bad things to say about them. Getting swept by the Pacers right now would be mercy killing.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 25, 2019 8:29:46 GMT -5
Danny must be losing sleep over the whole Kyrie thing. Do you make him the face of the franchise and pay him max $$? What seemed like an easy/obvious answer for the past few years has become a rather huge decision. How deflating it would be to lose him for nothing. Seems like Danny might have finally lost a trade.
Been an interesting season, it will be an interesting off season.
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