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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 30, 2019 19:06:33 GMT -5
And...of course it's time to lay another egg.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 31, 2019 9:52:14 GMT -5
9th gives us a shot at Coby White, doesn't it? Seriously he would fit in beautifully playing next to Kyrie. Basically it gives you a shot at anyone not in the top three right now as the rating are all over the place. Nevermind #9 and #13 would be a heck of an offer for a top 5 pick. I just don't get what the Grizz are doing. They are 100% playing to win. Currently .5 games back of Pelicans with an extra game to play. What 10 days ago looked like it had no chance of happening, now almost seems like we'll get that pick unless they stop playing JV 35 minutes a night and Conley 35 plus.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 31, 2019 12:46:39 GMT -5
I just don't get what the Grizz are doing. They are 100% playing to win. Currently .5 games back of Pelicans with an extra game to play. What 10 days ago looked like it had no chance of happening, now almost seems like we'll get that pick unless they stop playing JV 35 minutes a night and Conley 35 plus. Honestly I understand what they are doing. Making sure the pick conveys right now and keeping their pick when they bottom out (and they haven't reached the bottom, not even close) is better than getting the 7th overall pick in a weak draft. They're probably not going to rebuild on the fly, they're going to suck for the next 2-3 years.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 31, 2019 20:03:09 GMT -5
I just don't get what the Grizz are doing. They are 100% playing to win. Currently .5 games back of Pelicans with an extra game to play. What 10 days ago looked like it had no chance of happening, now almost seems like we'll get that pick unless they stop playing JV 35 minutes a night and Conley 35 plus. Honestly I understand what they are doing. Making sure the pick conveys right now and keeping their pick when they bottom out (and they haven't reached the bottom, not even close) is better than getting the 7th overall pick in a weak draft. They're probably not going to rebuild on the fly, they're going to suck for the next 2-3 years. They had 5th worst record a few weeks ago. Was like 88% they keep the pick. Now at 8th, .5 ahead of Pelicans. With the new rules that increase your chances of getting a top 3 pick. The top three looks great in this draft, nevermind a chance at the best prospect in a while in Williamson. I don't see an epic crazy strong draft, yet it looks above average. It's rather deep in high upside yet risky guys. I love drafts like that. Next year looks to be the weakest in a long time unless guys step up or reclassify. I gotta tank when at 5 and go for a top three pick. Very good chance to get that next piece next to Jackson for the future. I could see a playoff run or darn close to it next year. Conley, JV, Bradley, Jackson, draft pick, etc. Maybe they blow it up, trade Conley and start over 100%. I just wonder if that's the plan after trading Gasol for Veteran guys like JV who's in his prime and fits that team like a glove and Wright. They then got Bradley, who just like JV looks great in the system. We'll see, it just seems weird the moves they made and that they didn't trade Conley. Now they are just playing to win, seeing what they have. Yet it's cost you a good chance at top 5 and now a top 10 pick. You like Colby White ESPN has him 10th in this draft. If I was totally rebuilding I want that top 5 pick. I would have moved Veterans for draft picks, not in their prime or close Veterans. I would have moved Conley and given myself 2.5 years to build a team that can do better than 9th place. Maybe it backfires, but if my GM doesn't think he can hit on two draft classes, added to Jackson then I don't trust that GM.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 31, 2019 23:42:11 GMT -5
They had 5th worst record a few weeks ago. Was like 88% they keep the pick. Now at 8th, .5 ahead of Pelicans. With the new rules that increase your chances of getting a top 3 pick. The top three looks great in this draft, nevermind a chance at the best prospect in a while in Williamson. I don't see an epic crazy strong draft, yet it looks above average. It's rather deep in high upside yet risky guys. I love drafts like that. Next year looks to be the weakest in a long time unless guys step up or reclassify. I gotta tank when at 5 and go for a top three pick. Very good chance to get that next piece next to Jackson for the future. I could see a playoff run or darn close to it next year. Conley, JV, Bradley, Jackson, draft pick, etc. Maybe they blow it up, trade Conley and start over 100%. I just wonder if that's the plan after trading Gasol for Veteran guys like JV who's in his prime and fits that team like a glove and Wright. They then got Bradley, who just like JV looks great in the system. We'll see, it just seems weird the moves they made and that they didn't trade Conley. Now they are just playing to win, seeing what they have. Yet it's cost you a good chance at top 5 and now a top 10 pick. You like Colby White ESPN has him 10th in this draft. If I was totally rebuilding I want that top 5 pick. I would have moved Veterans for draft picks, not in their prime or close Veterans. I would have moved Conley and given myself 2.5 years to build a team that can do better than 9th place. Maybe it backfires, but if my GM doesn't think he can hit on two draft classes, added to Jackson then I don't trust that GM. I get what you're saying and yeah I do love Coby White and there are other top 10-ish talent in this draft that I would love to have (Jarrett Culver and De'Andre Hunter immediately come to mind). However, there's a decent chance they draft well and even then remain bad. They will need to send us that pick eventually, might as well get it over with while they're still passable.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 1, 2019 6:49:59 GMT -5
Who would have thought we'd be back to pick watch instead of toasting a real contender threat?
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 1, 2019 6:50:56 GMT -5
This is a strange draft if you look at multiple mocks and rankings. All kinds of guys predicted to go anywhere from 7 or 8 all the way back to mid 20's. Does it mean their are that many guys with real potential and upside or is it just a bunch of mediocre guys, we won't know for a few years.
The Maine Red Claws could be an interesting group of talent next year. Or will it be AD time? I think it is going to be AD time and I think Tatum is a goner along with Terry, Williams and picks.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 1, 2019 8:05:27 GMT -5
I really don't see why people include Rozier in Davis scenarios. No, it's not impossible but it's an added level of complication (does Rozier want to play there, does NO see him as a starting PG, would NO want to be hard capped) and trades are hard enough to execute.
Too many variables to just assume Boston can do it. COULD it happen. Sure. But it's the least likely scenario from everything I read/understand.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 1, 2019 9:08:14 GMT -5
This is a strange draft if you look at multiple mocks and rankings. All kinds of guys predicted to go anywhere from 7 or 8 all the way back to mid 20's. Does it mean their are that many guys with real potential and upside or is it just a bunch of mediocre guys, we won't know for a few years. The Maine Red Claws could be an interesting group of talent next year. Or will it be AD time? I think it is going to be AD time and I think Tatum is a goner along with Terry, Williams and picks. Maybe a good time to have 4 1st round chances. Can move around the draft, catch a falling star.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 1, 2019 10:17:49 GMT -5
This is the type of draft Danny Dominates. He knows talent and can pick out the good players from the so-so guys. There's really high upside guys in this draft into the 20's. A lot of drafts don't have that, it tappers off around the lottery.
Anyone else like PJ Washington as a Big Al long-term replacement? Elite level athlete, still a little raw buy made a massive jump. When he's on he does it all scores, rebounds, and can defend multiple positions. He just seems like a good fit next to Tatum and Brown.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 1, 2019 10:51:09 GMT -5
After watching Duke all season (and the mystifying end to yesterday's game - why not get it into Zion's hands - Barrett, for all of his skill, is not the best end of game option and this impacted the team several times this season)....Trey Jones. With his tenacious defense and great ball handling skills, I envision him on the Celtics - meaning the scoring would come from elsewhere (AD???) - I think Trey would be a good transition from his opposite player type, Kyrie, but the team would have to be constructed very differently.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 1, 2019 14:14:26 GMT -5
After watching Duke all season (and the mystifying end to yesterday's game - why not get it into Zion's hands - Barrett, for all of his skill, is not the best end of game option and this impacted the team several times this season)....Trey Jones. With his tenacious defense and great ball handling skills, I envision him on the Celtics - meaning the scoring would come from elsewhere (AD???) - I think Trey would be a good transition from his opposite player type, Kyrie, but the team would have to be constructed very differently. I’ve said this all season - maybe not here i don’t recall; Duke was never going to win a Championship when you can’t shoot the 3 or free throws. That’s a death sentence. They were luck to make it as far as they did to be honest and I love Duke.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 1, 2019 14:36:10 GMT -5
After watching Duke all season (and the mystifying end to yesterday's game - why not get it into Zion's hands - Barrett, for all of his skill, is not the best end of game option and this impacted the team several times this season)....Trey Jones. With his tenacious defense and great ball handling skills, I envision him on the Celtics - meaning the scoring would come from elsewhere (AD???) - I think Trey would be a good transition from his opposite player type, Kyrie, but the team would have to be constructed very differently. I’ve said this all season - maybe not here i don’t recall; Duke was never going to win a Championship when you can’t shoot the 3 or free throws. That’s a death sentence. They were luck to make it as far as they did to be honest and I love Duke. Yeah, I was waiting for them to lose. I thought they'd lose to a team that got hot with 3's, but they just got beat by a good team. So strange that they had so little depth. Definitely one of the most fun teams I've watched in years though, because they didn't have a ball hog.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 1, 2019 14:41:34 GMT -5
I’ve said this all season - maybe not here i don’t recall; Duke was never going to win a Championship when you can’t shoot the 3 or free throws. That’s a death sentence. They were luck to make it as far as they did to be honest and I love Duke. Yeah, I was waiting for them to lose. I thought they'd lose to a team that got hot with 3's, but they just got beat by a good team. So strange that they had so little depth. Definitely one of the most fun teams I've watched in years though, because they didn't have a ball hog. They haven’t had depth in years.... i don’t know if they don’t have the players to have depth or coach K just is so obsessed with every win he doesn’t develop it. Maybe it’s how he gets the recruits, promises huge minutes whereas at Kentucky or UNC they may play less. For example, O’Connell isn’t a great player but the kid can shoot lights out. If he were given legit minutes all year and had some plays run for him would he be in a groove and able to actually help?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 1, 2019 15:34:27 GMT -5
O'Connell looked like a high school player. I was amazed a guy like him was playing big minutes in the tourney for a team like Duke.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 1, 2019 16:01:03 GMT -5
O'Connell looked like a high school player. I was amazed a guy like him was playing big minutes in the tourney for a team like Duke. Kid can shoot the lights out. He’s just skinny as hell but he’s really not all that bad a team defender or even rebounder. Point being coach K does nothing to try and build depth during the season. Nothing
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 1, 2019 20:41:09 GMT -5
Anyone else like PJ Washington as a Big Al long-term replacement? Elite level athlete, still a little raw buy made a massive jump. When he's on he does it all scores, rebounds, and can defend multiple positions. He just seems like a good fit next to Tatum and Brown. Absolutely love how fiery he is. He may have played himself into a top 10 pick though.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 1, 2019 21:40:38 GMT -5
Well, it was a win. Anyone care anymore?
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 1, 2019 23:13:02 GMT -5
Well, it was a win. Anyone care anymore? I didn't watch the game and getting homecourt against the Pacers would be nice, but at this point it's all about the playoffs.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 2, 2019 8:35:11 GMT -5
I watched a little while doing other stuff. Al had a very good game and Kyrie still has the ball tethered to his hands too much.
Brown didn't play but if everyone is healthy and you have Brown, Rozier, Morris and Heyward coming off the bench you would expect to be competitive come playoffs but that is what we have been expecting all season. I hope they shock us all but I am not holding my breathe.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 2, 2019 11:52:27 GMT -5
I'm more interested in maybe getting four first round picks and College Basketball than the Celtics right now. Let's see how they do in the playoffs, I've seen enough regular season games to know I really don't want to watch till the playoffs and that's horrible I truly enjoy watching Celtic games. Yet this team makes it not fun!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 4, 2019 7:56:43 GMT -5
amp.www.complex.com/sports/2019/04/kevin-durant-to-knicks-is-reportedly-a-done-deal-says-ric-bucher"Bucher's comments come after Bleacher Report's Howard Beck not only mentioned in a piece published earlier today that Durant was bound for the Knicks, but his good friend Kyrie Irving would "likely" join him. "Rival executives will tell you, without hesitation, that Durant is bound for the Knicks; that Irving is likely to join him," Beck wrote." The rumors are out. If this team gets bounced out early (first or second round), then these rumors will continue to surface up until it happens. Could get worse if the Knicks end up with the first pick too. The Celtics losing Kyrie for nothing to free agency to a division rival is worse case scenario crap. If the Celtics want to continue building instead of tearing down and starting from scratch all over again, then a deep playoff run right now is imperative imo. Add- They won't have a chance to land other big time free agents. You're worse without Kyire, even if this team plays better without him sometimes. He has a tremendous amount of value around the league. You lose him for nothing, you lose the Cleveland deal. You lose time you have spent building for the past 5-10 years in the making since the Pierce and Garnett trade. You're going to be a middling team that's building draft capital all over again and you will not be getting high draft picks because you will be too good to suck that much. You're only hope if Kyrie and Durant bolts for the Knicks is that Tatum turns into a top 5-10 player in the league in 1-2 years, which would seem like a prayer at this point. I love Tatum, but I'm not sure if he'll ever make that jump. You're only other hope is that Danny hits on every draft pick this year or something and one of them turns into a superstar in 3-5 years (which would still take too much time).
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2019 8:30:53 GMT -5
And you know that the Knicks with a 14% chance at Zion Williamson is going to get him. David Stern is teaching Silver how to do it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 4, 2019 9:08:22 GMT -5
So the Grizz have shutdown all Vets, rather clear they want to keep the pick. It will be interesting if this was too little too late.
Irving could leave next year and I'd bet the Celtics win more games. He's a great scorer, but he doesn't make people around him better. I hate to see him leave for nothing, but it isn't something we can't overcome either. He's at the center of so many of the teams issues.
As for the Knicks and that plan, it makes sense. Durant bringing a title to New York would be huge for his legacy. That team has some young building blocks. As long as they get a top three pick they'll get a player that has all-star upside. It would also move Irving to the role he needs, secondary scorer. Yet it's going to be a young team and that is going to drive Irving and Durant crazy. It going to be like this year's team 2.0, especially if they don't get Williamson who is just a perfect fit. Yet does anyone really think they aren't getting him? The chances are slim, but isn't this why people claim everything is rigged? Hope I'm wrong, I want him in Phoenix. That would be a fun team, Williamson, Ayton, and Booker.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2019 9:25:55 GMT -5
So the Grizz have shutdown all Vets, rather clear they want to keep the pick. It will be interesting if this was too little too late. Irving could leave next year and I'd bet the Celtics win more games. He's a great scorer, but he doesn't make people around him better. I hate to see him leave for nothing, but it isn't something we can't overcome either. He's at the center of so many of the teams issues. As for the Knicks and that plan, it makes sense. Durant bringing a title to New York would be huge for his legacy. That team has some young building blocks. As long as they get a top three pick they'll get a player that has all-star upside. It would also move Irving to the role he needs, secondary scorer. Yet it's going to be a young team and that is going to drive Irving and Durant crazy. It going to be like this year's team 2.0, especially if they don't get Williamson who is just a perfect fit. Yet does anyone really think they aren't getting him? The chances are slim, but isn't this why people claim everything is rigged? Hope I'm wrong, I want him in Phoenix. That would be a fun team, Williamson, Ayton, and Booker. Williamson and Ayton are a bad pairing. Neither can shoot from distance. Add in the fact that Booker isn’t a great shooter (He’s solid and should get better though) and their wings aren’t either that team would have the feel of an early 2000s NBA team not a modern day one. Lots of talent though. If you have the top pick Zion is clearly the guy but it’s a case where Morant might be the best fit for them... best course may be taking Zion and trading Ayton if you can get the right deal, but that’s not happening for a lot of reasons.
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