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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 4, 2019 10:25:01 GMT -5
Certainly not ideal in today's NBA, but that's kinda of the reason I like it. A new modern Jordan and Griffin pairing, yet the NBA has gone even smaller which you can exploit. Mainly because Williamson will be a beast on D. Also Ayton is much more skilled than Jordan, he already has a jumper out to 16 feet that isn't bad. You'll have to be very careful with how you build the rest of the team, but I like it. Plus my main reason is Williamson in the West and they are by far the best chance at that.
Booker is interesting, before this year I would have called him elite at his volume, yet his 3 point shooting is way down this year.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 4, 2019 12:31:39 GMT -5
Honestly I'm sold on the idea of using Williamson as the team sole big. He's large enough to bang inside and he should be a maniac on the run. Surround him with shooters Lebron-style and let him loose on the break. Ayton would get in the way or force him to play outside. If Zion is ever playing outside even if for a single possession then that coach should be fired.
Best team for Zion in basketball terms would flat out be the Bulls. Lauri Legend, Lavine and Porter shooting it up from outside and Zion murdering everyone inside? Seriously give me that squad and a good coach and I'm golden. Problem is, it is the Bulls and they would find a way to mess that up. Heck if you want to partner Zion with another big, then the Hawks would be a much better choice considering Collins is better than Ayton and can actually shoot. Collins, Young and Zion? That's the next Nash, Stoudemire and Marion.
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Post by m1keyboots on Apr 4, 2019 13:01:21 GMT -5
Here's to hoping the Sixers don't get a shot at "breaking that curse" that now everyone is making a big deal. This time, they're a year older with Jimmy Butler, and Tobias Harris. I don't post on this thread, because I'm too rabid a basketball fan.
Please, please let the Sixers lose to the Heat right away.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 4, 2019 14:13:50 GMT -5
The Sixers are so far from a contender right now they aren’t worth worrying about.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2019 14:14:29 GMT -5
Honestly I'm sold on the idea of using Williamson as the team sole big. He's large enough to bang inside and he should be a maniac on the run. Surround him with shooters Lebron-style and let him loose on the break. Ayton would get in the way or force him to play outside. If Zion is ever playing outside even if for a single possession then that coach should be fired. Best team for Zion in basketball terms would flat out be the Bulls. Lauri Legend, Lavine and Porter shooting it up from outside and Zion murdering everyone inside? Seriously give me that squad and a good coach and I'm golden. Problem is, it is the Bulls and they would find a way to mess that up. Heck if you want to partner Zion with another big, then the Hawks would be a much better choice considering Collins is better than Ayton and can actually shoot. Collins, Young and Zion? That's the next Nash, Stoudemire and Marion. Imagine how well Zion would fit with the Celtics. Fun to think about. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 4, 2019 14:28:11 GMT -5
Honestly I'm sold on the idea of using Williamson as the team sole big. He's large enough to bang inside and he should be a maniac on the run. Surround him with shooters Lebron-style and let him loose on the break. Ayton would get in the way or force him to play outside. If Zion is ever playing outside even if for a single possession then that coach should be fired. Best team for Zion in basketball terms would flat out be the Bulls. Lauri Legend, Lavine and Porter shooting it up from outside and Zion murdering everyone inside? Seriously give me that squad and a good coach and I'm golden. Problem is, it is the Bulls and they would find a way to mess that up. Heck if you want to partner Zion with another big, then the Hawks would be a much better choice considering Collins is better than Ayton and can actually shoot. Collins, Young and Zion? That's the next Nash, Stoudemire and Marion. Imagine how well Zion would fit with the Celtics. Fun to think about. Oh absolutely. I didn't even consider that because sadly there's no chance that would happen. Smart throwing lobs to Zion would be some 80s action flick macho insanity. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2019 6:34:10 GMT -5
Irving could leave next year and I'd bet the Celtics win more games. He's a great scorer, but he doesn't make people around him better. I hate to see him leave for nothing, but it isn't something we can't overcome either. He's at the center of so many of the teams issues. As for the Knicks and that plan, it makes sense. Durant bringing a title to New York would be huge for his legacy. That team has some young building blocks. As long as they get a top three pick they'll get a player that has all-star upside. It would also move Irving to the role he needs, secondary scorer. UMass, the team could get better next year and it still would stink. That's kind of my point. What's the point of winning more games if your team has a limited ceiling? Kyrie bolts and you're all of a sudden the Isaah Thomas Celtics all over again with better talent around him. Only problem is you don't have a IT (a overachieving superstar). Or even a Paul Pierce Celtics team of the early 2000's. A team that you know doesn't have the talent to make it to the Finals. That's a huge letdown for me. The Celtics are all about pride and winning. They have arguably the best history of winning Championships (percentage wise) in all of pro sports. Danny is all about winning too because he was a part of the great dynasty runs in the 80's. It's been over 10 years now since the Celtics have won and that is like forever for them considering their history. They've had long stretches of not winning, but that also came with Len Bias dying and the NBA rigging the Celtics away from Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant. I don't want to see 3 steps back. Even if this team wins more next year and lose their most prized asset in Irving, I will feel that they did take three steps back regardless of next year's results. It took FOREVER to get even a Kyrie Irving in here in the first place. The Greek freak is only getting better (he is a top 3 player in the NBA) and will get more talent around him in the future (superstars are going to want to play with this guy in the future because he's SO great). The Knicks might actually be something in the future. The Celtics have maybe a top 30 player in Tatum? Maybe a solid player in Brown? A developing Williams? Maybe a bounce back from Hayward? I'm not being sarcastic or smug here. Please enlighten me how the Celtics are a REAL championship contender without Iriving. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 5, 2019 15:58:44 GMT -5
Irving could leave next year and I'd bet the Celtics win more games. He's a great scorer, but he doesn't make people around him better. I hate to see him leave for nothing, but it isn't something we can't overcome either. He's at the center of so many of the teams issues. As for the Knicks and that plan, it makes sense. Durant bringing a title to New York would be huge for his legacy. That team has some young building blocks. As long as they get a top three pick they'll get a player that has all-star upside. It would also move Irving to the role he needs, secondary scorer. UMass, the team could get better next year and it still would stink. That's kind of my point. What's the point of winning more games if your team has a limited ceiling? Kyrie bolts and you're all of a sudden the Isaah Thomas Celtics all over again with better talent around him. Only problem is you don't have a IT (a overachieving superstar). Or even a Paul Pierce Celtics team of the early 2000's. A team that you know doesn't have the talent to make it to the Finals. That's a huge letdown for me. The Celtics are all about pride and winning. They have arguably the best history of winning Championships (percentage wise) in all of pro sports. Danny is all about winning too because he was a part of the great dynasty runs in the 80's. It's been over 10 years now since the Celtics have won and that is like forever for them considering their history. They've had long stretches of not winning, but that also came with Len Bias dying and the NBA rigging the Celtics away from Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant. I don't want to see 3 steps back. Even if this team wins more next year and lose their most prized asset in Irving, I will feel that they did take three steps back regardless of next year's results. It took FOREVER to get even a Kyrie Irving in here in the first place. The Greek freak is only getting better (he is a top 3 player in the NBA) and will get more talent around him in the future (superstars are going to want to play with this guy in the future because he's SO great). The Knicks might actually be something in the future. The Celtics have maybe a top 30 player in Tatum? Maybe a solid player in Brown? A developing Williams? Maybe a bounce back from Hayward? I'm not being sarcastic or smug here. Please enlighten me how the Celtics are a REAL championship contender without Iriving. Did you miss last year's playoff run? Tatum was 19, Brown was 21, Rozier was 23. I'm so confused by what your saying because it happened. A crazy young team was one game from the finals without Irving. They won series against the Bucks and Sixers that both have young stud players. Heck both were probably more talented teams at that point. Yet we played great team Basketball, gave 110% effort, and played all out D. Basically everything you want a team to do. In the end LeBron was too good and we were too young. I know Irving is your Binky, but he's shown us nothing that makes me believe he's going to help us win a championship. He's a highlight reel scoring machine, that just can't seem to mesh with the team and play our style of Basketball. He's a number two guy on a title team, yet thinks he's a number one guy. If Irving got it, he'd focus on doing what we did last year with Tatum and Brown. Run the offense through them and Irving would be the facilitator getting tons of open shots as teams double those two. Instead of that he's fought tooth and nail to try and prove he's the man and the young guys need to learn from him. It's been a 101 class on how not to be a leader. When it comes to team play, he just learned from the wrong guy in LeBron. Danny made a bad move and is like most people with Irving. He's just in aww of the talent, so he keeps hoping he gets it. That everything clicks and his bad habits from the Cavs are gone and he becomes a Celtic player. Still a chance that happens, but I'm not going to bet on it. I don't think he'll be around the years Stevens would need to transform him. So I only hope Danny doesn't double down on what looks like a massive mistake with Irving and get Davis. Not if the cost is anything close to what's been reported and not if Davis really doesn't want to be in Boston! So worst case type crap our core is Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Smart, Etc. Add in three first round picks, the Grizz pick whenever we get that, Vets like Horford and Hayward. The future is bright and Danny is still Danny. The guy that just makes great moves normally and has a plan for the future. Build around Tatum, he's the future. He can do things that not many players his age can do. Just wait a few years and you'll see. If you look at the East what do you see? A couple of great young players and the Raptors, but zero young Warrior like cores. The Bucks, Raptors, and Sixers will be capped out after this year and will struggle to replace guys as they get older. As the Celtic players reach their prime years the Bucks supporting cast will be getting old, Raptors will need replacements for guys like Ibaka and Lowry, Butler and Harris will be getting old and Reddick will likely be retired and he might be there second most important player. I just don't see anything to be scared about right now. No Warrior like team, heck there isn't even a team like the Heat or Cavs with LeBron. Some good teams, yet hardly a bunch of legendary unbeatable teams. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 5, 2019 16:34:19 GMT -5
UMass, the team could get better next year and it still would stink. That's kind of my point. What's the point of winning more games if your team has a limited ceiling? Kyrie bolts and you're all of a sudden the Isaah Thomas Celtics all over again with better talent around him. Only problem is you don't have a IT (a overachieving superstar). Or even a Paul Pierce Celtics team of the early 2000's. A team that you know doesn't have the talent to make it to the Finals. That's a huge letdown for me. The Celtics are all about pride and winning. They have arguably the best history of winning Championships (percentage wise) in all of pro sports. Danny is all about winning too because he was a part of the great dynasty runs in the 80's. It's been over 10 years now since the Celtics have won and that is like forever for them considering their history. They've had long stretches of not winning, but that also came with Len Bias dying and the NBA rigging the Celtics away from Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant. I don't want to see 3 steps back. Even if this team wins more next year and lose their most prized asset in Irving, I will feel that they did take three steps back regardless of next year's results. It took FOREVER to get even a Kyrie Irving in here in the first place. The Greek freak is only getting better (he is a top 3 player in the NBA) and will get more talent around him in the future (superstars are going to want to play with this guy in the future because he's SO great). The Knicks might actually be something in the future. The Celtics have maybe a top 30 player in Tatum? Maybe a solid player in Brown? A developing Williams? Maybe a bounce back from Hayward? I'm not being sarcastic or smug here. Please enlighten me how the Celtics are a REAL championship contender without Iriving. Did you miss last year's playoff run? Tatum was 19, Brown was 21, Rozier was 23. I'm so confused by what your saying because it happened. A crazy young team was one game from the finals without Irving. They won series against the Bucks and Sixers that both have young stud players. Heck both were probably more talented teams at that point. Yet we played great team Basketball, gave 110% effort, and played all out D. Basically everything you want a team to do. In the end LeBron was too good and we were too young. I know Irving is your Binky, but he's shown us nothing that makes me believe he's going to help us win a championship. He's a highlight reel scoring machine, that just can't seem to mesh with the team and play our style of Basketball. He's a number two guy on a title team, yet thinks he's a number one guy. If Irving got it, he'd focus on doing what we did last year with Tatum and Brown. Run the offense through them and Irving would be the facilitator getting tons of open shots as teams double those two. Instead of that he's fought tooth and nail to try and prove he's the man and the young guys need to learn from him. It's been a 101 class on how not to be a leader. When it comes to team play, he just learned from the wrong guy in LeBron. Danny made a bad move and is like most people with Irving. He's just in aww of the talent, so he keeps hoping he gets it. That everything clicks and his bad habits from the Cavs are gone and he becomes a Celtic player. Still a chance that happens, but I'm not going to bet on it. I don't think he'll be around the years Stevens would need to transform him. So I only hope Danny doesn't double down on what looks like a massive mistake with Irving and get Davis. Not if the cost is anything close to what's been reported and not if Davis really doesn't want to be in Boston! So worst case type crap our core is Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Smart, Etc. Add in three first round picks, the Grizz pick whenever we get that, Vets like Horford and Hayward. The future is bright and Danny is still Danny. The guy that just makes great moves normally and has a plan for the future. Build around Tatum, he's the future. He can do things that not many players his age can do. Just wait a few years and you'll see. If you look at the East what do you see? A couple of great young players and the Raptors, but zero young Warrior like cores. The Bucks, Raptors, and Sixers will be capped out after this year and will struggle to replace guys as they get older. As the Celtic players reach their prime years the Bucks supporting cast will be getting old, Raptors will need replacements for guys like Ibaka and Lowry, Butler and Harris will be getting old and Reddick will likely be retired and he might be there second most important player. I just don't see anything to be scared about right now. No Warrior like team, heck there isn't even a team like the Heat or Cavs with LeBron. Some good teams, yet hardly a bunch of legendary unbeatable teams. I agree completely with this view and assessment. Though I am a Duke fan, loved what he did with Duke (but oddly, he cost them a big game when he came back from injury and displaced Nolan Smith), and admire him as a player, I don't see him as a Celtic - and don't see Anthony Davis as a Celtic, either. Teams that have superstars dominating and others just watching are simply not a whole lotta fun to watch. Well, I will speak for myself - I don't enjoy watching that style of basketball. Give me last year's young team of scrappers and learners and team players any day. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2019 17:00:08 GMT -5
UMass, the team could get better next year and it still would stink. That's kind of my point. What's the point of winning more games if your team has a limited ceiling? Kyrie bolts and you're all of a sudden the Isaah Thomas Celtics all over again with better talent around him. Only problem is you don't have a IT (a overachieving superstar). Or even a Paul Pierce Celtics team of the early 2000's. A team that you know doesn't have the talent to make it to the Finals. That's a huge letdown for me. The Celtics are all about pride and winning. They have arguably the best history of winning Championships (percentage wise) in all of pro sports. Danny is all about winning too because he was a part of the great dynasty runs in the 80's. It's been over 10 years now since the Celtics have won and that is like forever for them considering their history. They've had long stretches of not winning, but that also came with Len Bias dying and the NBA rigging the Celtics away from Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant. I don't want to see 3 steps back. Even if this team wins more next year and lose their most prized asset in Irving, I will feel that they did take three steps back regardless of next year's results. It took FOREVER to get even a Kyrie Irving in here in the first place. The Greek freak is only getting better (he is a top 3 player in the NBA) and will get more talent around him in the future (superstars are going to want to play with this guy in the future because he's SO great). The Knicks might actually be something in the future. The Celtics have maybe a top 30 player in Tatum? Maybe a solid player in Brown? A developing Williams? Maybe a bounce back from Hayward? I'm not being sarcastic or smug here. Please enlighten me how the Celtics are a REAL championship contender without Iriving. Did you miss last year's playoff run? The Greek Freak is now a top 3 player in the league. He's better than last year and the Bucks will be a lot better going forward too. Irving isn't my binky, in fact, I'm ready to throw the guy under the bus if he leaves. I didn't miss last year's playoff run. The run where they had everything go right besides the Hayward and Kyrie injuries and still couldn't make it to the finals. They had home court throughout and had the 76's as a matchup, who they could beat facing backwards because they are such a poorly constructed team. In the end they ran into a superstar and was put in their place. This core isn't good enough if Kyrie leaves, not because of Kyrie, but because they don't have any star power. That's where I disagree with you here. This team isn't good enough. If Danny trades for AD, then that will tell you what he thinks of this team too. When's the last time a NBA team has won without a superstar? The Pistons 15-20 years ago? That one anomaly of a team that didn't win again? |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 5, 2019 17:26:21 GMT -5
Did you miss last year's playoff run? The Greek Freak is now a top 3 player in the league. He's better than last year and the Bucks will be a lot better going forward too. Irving isn't my binky, in fact, I'm ready to throw the guy under the bus if he leaves. I didn't miss last year's playoff run. The run where they had everything go right besides the Hayward and Kyrie injuries and still couldn't make it to the finals. They had home court throughout and had the 76's as a matchup, who they could beat facing backwards because they are such a poorly constructed team. In the end they ran into a superstar and was put in their place. This core isn't good enough if Kyrie leaves, not because of Kyrie, but because they don't have any star power. That's where I disagree with you here. This team isn't good enough. If Danny trades for AD, then that will tell you what he thinks of this team too. When's the last time a NBA team has won without a superstar? The Pistons 15-20 years ago? That one anomaly of a team that didn't win again? Some "superstars" seem to make it impossible to win because they're spoiled a-holes who think they're Lebron when they're nothing close to that. I'd put money on Lebron never winning again either as he continues to get older while still acting like the spoiled a-hole. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 5, 2019 17:51:37 GMT -5
Did you miss last year's playoff run? The Greek Freak is now a top 3 player in the league. He's better than last year and the Bucks will be a lot better going forward too. Irving isn't my binky, in fact, I'm ready to throw the guy under the bus if he leaves. I didn't miss last year's playoff run. The run where they had everything go right besides the Hayward and Kyrie injuries and still couldn't make it to the finals. They had home court throughout and had the 76's as a matchup, who they could beat facing backwards because they are such a poorly constructed team. In the end they ran into a superstar and was put in their place. This core isn't good enough if Kyrie leaves, not because of Kyrie, but because they don't have any star power. That's where I disagree with you here. This team isn't good enough. If Danny trades for AD, then that will tell you what he thinks of this team too. When's the last time a NBA team has won without a superstar? The Pistons 15-20 years ago? That one anomaly of a team that didn't win again? I understand your view, but also understand of course there would be additional players - the draft choices. So the core from last year will be two years more mature, Hayward will be one year more healed. Add some players to that and there are possibilities. So it is not that I am anti superstar - just anti particular superstars whose narcissism and inflexibility makes it nearly impossible for them to fit and do what is needed to win it all......my view is also reflective of my own particular preferences - I am not big on superstars in general in any area of life. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2019 18:44:21 GMT -5
The Greek Freak is now a top 3 player in the league. He's better than last year and the Bucks will be a lot better going forward too. Irving isn't my binky, in fact, I'm ready to throw the guy under the bus if he leaves. I didn't miss last year's playoff run. The run where they had everything go right besides the Hayward and Kyrie injuries and still couldn't make it to the finals. They had home court throughout and had the 76's as a matchup, who they could beat facing backwards because they are such a poorly constructed team. In the end they ran into a superstar and was put in their place. This core isn't good enough if Kyrie leaves, not because of Kyrie, but because they don't have any star power. That's where I disagree with you here. This team isn't good enough. If Danny trades for AD, then that will tell you what he thinks of this team too. When's the last time a NBA team has won without a superstar? The Pistons 15-20 years ago? That one anomaly of a team that didn't win again? Some "superstars" seem to make it impossible to win because they're spoiled a-holes who think they're Lebron when they're nothing close to that. I'd put money on Lebron never winning again either as he continues to get older while still acting like the spoiled a-hole. I'd only bet on LeBron not winning because the decline might have already begun. The Lakers need Leonard as bad as any team needs any player. If they don't get him, then the Lakers are doomed too. LeBron went to LA to make spacejam 2 and make movies and expand his brand. It wasn't about winning, although I'm sure he'd love to win at least one more ring. The NBA is a superstar driven league. Give me the a-hole or prima dona. Sell your soul for another title to continue the great legacy of the Celtics. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2019 18:49:33 GMT -5
The Greek Freak is now a top 3 player in the league. He's better than last year and the Bucks will be a lot better going forward too. Irving isn't my binky, in fact, I'm ready to throw the guy under the bus if he leaves. I didn't miss last year's playoff run. The run where they had everything go right besides the Hayward and Kyrie injuries and still couldn't make it to the finals. They had home court throughout and had the 76's as a matchup, who they could beat facing backwards because they are such a poorly constructed team. In the end they ran into a superstar and was put in their place. This core isn't good enough if Kyrie leaves, not because of Kyrie, but because they don't have any star power. That's where I disagree with you here. This team isn't good enough. If Danny trades for AD, then that will tell you what he thinks of this team too. When's the last time a NBA team has won without a superstar? The Pistons 15-20 years ago? That one anomaly of a team that didn't win again? I understand your view, but also understand of course there would be additional players - the draft choices. So the core from last year will be two years more mature, Hayward will be one year more healed. Add some players to that and there are possibilities. So it is not that I am anti superstar - just anti particular superstars whose narcissism and inflexibility makes it nearly impossible for them to fit and do what is needed to win it all......my view is also reflective of my own particular preferences - I am not big on superstars in general in any area of life. Sox fan, I'd give it a 25 percent chance that the Celtics keeps all these picks and builds all over again. Something would have to go seriously wrong in order for Danny to do that. I'm almost positive that's the last thing he wants to do after rebuilding the past 7-8 years. If I know Danny Ainge, he's a maximizer. Kind of like Dave Dombrowski in that sense. See guy, go get guy. He knows how to identify the right talent to go after too. Maybe AD isn't the guy, maybe it's Karl Anthony Towns. I don't know, we will see. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 5, 2019 20:04:48 GMT -5
Did you miss last year's playoff run? The Greek Freak is now a top 3 player in the league. He's better than last year and the Bucks will be a lot better going forward too. Irving isn't my binky, in fact, I'm ready to throw the guy under the bus if he leaves. I didn't miss last year's playoff run. The run where they had everything go right besides the Hayward and Kyrie injuries and still couldn't make it to the finals. They had home court throughout and had the 76's as a matchup, who they could beat facing backwards because they are such a poorly constructed team. In the end they ran into a superstar and was put in their place. This core isn't good enough if Kyrie leaves, not because of Kyrie, but because they don't have any star power. That's where I disagree with you here. This team isn't good enough. If Danny trades for AD, then that will tell you what he thinks of this team too. When's the last time a NBA team has won without a superstar? The Pistons 15-20 years ago? That one anomaly of a team that didn't win again? What compared to the one that averaged 26, 10, and 6 during last year's playoffs? Do young players improve? You seem to have made up your mind on Tatum and Brown during their age 20 and 22 seasons. The fact is Tatum and Brown were go to scorers on a team that won series against older stud elite players in the Greek Freak and Embiid. I don't get how everything went right. That team would go long stretches without scoring, yet they never gave up. So I don't get your theory at all. The better team talent wise didn't win, the team playing better team Basketball did. All while Tatum was in his age 19 season and Brown his age 21. It's why them doing better matters, because they can get home court for the playoffs. It's why the great LeBron didn't win more Championships, they were never great teams, just a great collection of talent. It's why teams like the Warriors are scary, great talent and a great team. Yet Durant seems to be messing with that. No it says what Danny thinks of Davis unless he really trades the whole team and he won't. It comes down to what you think Tatum is. He's a future All-Star in my book all day and Brown might also be one. Heck four years from now they could both be top 20 guys. On the flip side Irving isn't a Superstar, he's made that quite clear this year. So I don't get how he changes things. Even with him you need to win as a better team, because you'll never have the best player. Which is the issue with him, he doesn't get that. He thinks he can carry a team to a championship and he's just not that good. It has to be your the better team. I think the 2011 Mavs and 2014 Spurs are perfect examples of the better teams beating the more talented teams. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2019 21:28:53 GMT -5
The Greek Freak is now a top 3 player in the league. He's better than last year and the Bucks will be a lot better going forward too. Irving isn't my binky, in fact, I'm ready to throw the guy under the bus if he leaves. I didn't miss last year's playoff run. The run where they had everything go right besides the Hayward and Kyrie injuries and still couldn't make it to the finals. They had home court throughout and had the 76's as a matchup, who they could beat facing backwards because they are such a poorly constructed team. In the end they ran into a superstar and was put in their place. This core isn't good enough if Kyrie leaves, not because of Kyrie, but because they don't have any star power. That's where I disagree with you here. This team isn't good enough. If Danny trades for AD, then that will tell you what he thinks of this team too. When's the last time a NBA team has won without a superstar? The Pistons 15-20 years ago? That one anomaly of a team that didn't win again? What compared to the one that averaged 26, 10, and 6 during last year's playoffs? Do young players improve? You seem to have made up your mind on Tatum and Brown during their age 20 and 22 seasons. The fact is Tatum and Brown were go to scorers on a team that won series against older stud elite players in the Greek Freak and Embiid. I don't get how everything went right. That team would go long stretches without scoring, yet they never gave up. So I don't get your theory at all. The better team talent wise didn't win, the team playing better team Basketball did. All while Tatum was in his age 19 season and Brown his age 21. It's why them doing better matters, because they can get home court for the playoffs. It's why the great LeBron didn't win more Championships, they were never great teams, just a great collection of talent. It's why teams like the Warriors are scary, great talent and a great team. Yet Durant seems to be messing with that. No it says what Danny thinks of Davis unless he really trades the whole team and he won't. It comes down to what you think Tatum is. He's a future All-Star in my book all day and Brown might also be one. Heck four years from now they could both be top 20 guys. On the flip side Irving isn't a Superstar, he's made that quite clear this year. So I don't get how he changes things. Even with him you need to win as a better team, because you'll never have the best player. Which is the issue with him, he doesn't get that. He thinks he can carry a team to a championship and he's just not that good. It has to be your the better team. I think the 2011 Mavs and 2014 Spurs are perfect examples of the better teams beating the more talented teams. The 2011 Mavs had Dirk. The 2014 Spurs had Duncan. I haven't made up my mind about Tatum or Brown, but they are going to take too long to develop into the "maybe top 20 players in the league" conversation. That's even more riskier for me. I do agree that the 2018-2019 Celtics need to add, which is why they need to add a potential AD or Karl Anthony Towns to a Kyrie team. Kyrie already has proven he can be the second best player on a championship roster because he's actually done it. Kyrie was a huge part why the Celtics were the number one seed last year, by the way. God, I hope if the Celtics don't go far in the postseason that the Greek Freak absolutely goes off on this team and sweeps them. It'll show Danny and the fans here who wants to wait maybe 3-5 years for "maybe" a shot at a Championship that they're misguided if that's what they want (I know Danny doesn't want that). I'll table the rest of the off-season crap in the off-season. Looking forward to seeing how far the Celtics go here in the postseason. Huge ramifications on the results here. The Celtics make it to the finals, maybe Durant changes course and would rather play here also. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 5, 2019 21:46:53 GMT -5
Fantastic win tonight! Hayward is playing great, the Baynes and Horford pairing looks strong, really the only bad thing you can say is that Morris took 13 shots.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 5, 2019 23:10:50 GMT -5
This is a mysterious team...perhaps they can just turn it on in the playoffs - we shall see! More uplifting than what the Red Sox crapped out tonight.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 6, 2019 1:23:25 GMT -5
Fantastic win tonight! Hayward is playing great, the Baynes and Horford pairing looks strong, really the only bad thing you can say is that Morris took 13 shots. Baynes being out more than half the season is probably the biggest reason for me why team dropped off so badly from last year to this year. This team couldn't rebound worth a dam* this year. Add- Looks like they'll have homecourt in the first round of the playoffs at least. They'll be the 4th seed baring a disaster the last 2 games of the year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 6, 2019 9:17:19 GMT -5
It’s good that Hayward seems to be coming back at just the right time. Now it’s going to be on Stevens to strap on a set of balls and actually coach and tighten his rotation. I don’t give a rats ass how he feels about it but Morris should turn into a matchup guy in the playoffs. Rozier and Smart’s minutes should go way down as well.
I don’t know if Hayward should start or not but 30 minutes plus a game should probably be there. I haven’t done the math out so bear with me here but basically the rotation should consist of:
Kyrie
Horford
Tatum
Hayward
Brown
Getting the bulk of the minutes and Baynes, Smart and Rozier rounding out the 8.
Morris and the rest of them can bite me and play sparingly unless a matchup dictates it.
Stevens has coached like ass this year - he needs to get his head out of his ass and stop trying to make everyone happy. I’m holding out hope in the playoffs he will grow up and do just that.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 6, 2019 9:27:26 GMT -5
Honestly I'm sold on the idea of using Williamson as the team sole big. He's large enough to bang inside and he should be a maniac on the run. Surround him with shooters Lebron-style and let him loose on the break. Ayton would get in the way or force him to play outside. If Zion is ever playing outside even if for a single possession then that coach should be fired. Best team for Zion in basketball terms would flat out be the Bulls. Lauri Legend, Lavine and Porter shooting it up from outside and Zion murdering everyone inside? Seriously give me that squad and a good coach and I'm golden. Problem is, it is the Bulls and they would find a way to mess that up. Heck if you want to partner Zion with another big, then the Hawks would be a much better choice considering Collins is better than Ayton and can actually shoot. Collins, Young and Zion? That's the next Nash, Stoudemire and Marion. Imagine how well Zion would fit with the Celtics. Fun to think about. Yeah, but you have to have at least 3 beers to let yourself go there..... |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 6, 2019 12:46:00 GMT -5
What compared to the one that averaged 26, 10, and 6 during last year's playoffs? Do young players improve? You seem to have made up your mind on Tatum and Brown during their age 20 and 22 seasons. The fact is Tatum and Brown were go to scorers on a team that won series against older stud elite players in the Greek Freak and Embiid. I don't get how everything went right. That team would go long stretches without scoring, yet they never gave up. So I don't get your theory at all. The better team talent wise didn't win, the team playing better team Basketball did. All while Tatum was in his age 19 season and Brown his age 21. It's why them doing better matters, because they can get home court for the playoffs. It's why the great LeBron didn't win more Championships, they were never great teams, just a great collection of talent. It's why teams like the Warriors are scary, great talent and a great team. Yet Durant seems to be messing with that. No it says what Danny thinks of Davis unless he really trades the whole team and he won't. It comes down to what you think Tatum is. He's a future All-Star in my book all day and Brown might also be one. Heck four years from now they could both be top 20 guys. On the flip side Irving isn't a Superstar, he's made that quite clear this year. So I don't get how he changes things. Even with him you need to win as a better team, because you'll never have the best player. Which is the issue with him, he doesn't get that. He thinks he can carry a team to a championship and he's just not that good. It has to be your the better team. I think the 2011 Mavs and 2014 Spurs are perfect examples of the better teams beating the more talented teams. The 2011 Mavs had Dirk. The 2014 Spurs had Duncan. I haven't made up my mind about Tatum or Brown, but they are going to take too long to develop into the "maybe top 20 players in the league" conversation. That's even more riskier for me. I do agree that the 2018-2019 Celtics need to add, which is why they need to add a potential AD or Karl Anthony Towns to a Kyrie team. Kyrie already has proven he can be the second best player on a championship roster because he's actually done it. Kyrie was a huge part why the Celtics were the number one seed last year, by the way. God, I hope if the Celtics don't go far in the postseason that the Greek Freak absolutely goes off on this team and sweeps them. It'll show Danny and the fans here who wants to wait maybe 3-5 years for "maybe" a shot at a Championship that they're misguided if that's what they want (I know Danny doesn't want that). I'll table the rest of the off-season crap in the off-season. Looking forward to seeing how far the Celtics go here in the postseason. Huge ramifications on the results here. The Celtics make it to the finals, maybe Durant changes course and would rather play here also. For me there aren't many Superstar players in the NBA at any given time. They are the best of the best and I don't consider All-Stars to be Superstars. Dirk is like Pierce, a HOF player yet I never had him as a Superstar. That is reserved for the LeBron James of the world. Duncan was certainly a Superstar for a large chunk of his career, but in 2014 at 38 years old wasn't close to one anymore. Looking back on the NBA and especially the EAST, it's why I think the Celtics are in a very good spot unless something crazy happens because LeBron and his super teams are gone and the Warriors are getting older. Bucks used Cap space to resign Bledsoe rather than chase a star player, Sixers went all in on older players and traded Fultz, two first round picks, and Shamlot. That is five first round picks they shipped out at the trade deadline. Those teams have legit current Superstar players, but they are going to struggle to surround them with talent going forward. Heck if I was Leonard I wouldn't resign with the Raptors for that very reason. I look at last year's playoff team and I'm not scared one bit. It's no cake walk but an NBA Championship is never going to be easy. All I can say is be patient. Yea Danny wants to win more Championships, yet you don't want to do what the Sixers did. Like the Butler trade was great, giving up very little long-term. Yet the Fultz debacle and Harris trade might have killed an epic 10 plus year run. You have to find a balance between winning now and planning for the future. I have zero doubt Tatum is an All-Star player in the near future. You just don't trade guys like that. Brown is a little more tricky, as I'm not 100% convinced he's a future All-Star, yet his ceiling is litterally Leonard type player. If Irving leaves that means we keep Rozier and he fits with Tatum and Brown in a way Irving struggles with. Add in Horford and Hayward, then our draft picks, and the fact we could have cap space in a year and the Future is bright. I know Danny can year after year build deep teams and find talent in the draft year after year in a way a lots of teams struggle with. No reason to blow up everything because it's been ten years since the big three won a Championship. Right now we currently have four first round picks after the Grizz won last night, 9, 14, 20, and 22 if I remember right. That gives you a ton of options. It's early and rankings are going to change like crazy. Yet I'm highly intrigued by the talent currently available at those spots and the possibility of moving up to get a guy you love outside the top three. I don't see a rebuild, I see what could be the start of a long ten year plus run. Now if Irving would just open his eyes and understand that, things could be scary good. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 6, 2019 12:59:42 GMT -5
It’s good that Hayward seems to be coming back at just the right time. Now it’s going to be on Stevens to strap on a set of balls and actually coach and tighten his rotation. I don’t give a rats ass how he feels about it but Morris should turn into a matchup guy in the playoffs. Rozier and Smart’s minutes should go way down as well. I don’t know if Hayward should start or not but 30 minutes plus a game should probably be there. I haven’t done the math out so bear with me here but basically the rotation should consist of: Kyrie Horford Tatum Hayward Brown Getting the bulk of the minutes and Baynes, Smart and Rozier rounding out the 8. Morris and the rest of them can bite me and play sparingly unless a matchup dictates it. Stevens has coached like ass this year - he needs to get his head out of his ass and stop trying to make everyone happy. I’m holding out hope in the playoffs he will grow up and do just that. I agree, we need to focus on D, then offense. So I'm starting Baynes if we play teams with true centers and I'd start Brown over Hayward for his D and engery. Still think the best lineup is Baynes, Horford, Tatum, Brown, and Irving. I also agree against certain teams on a given night guys like Rozier and Morris should play very little. Heck when we get to the second round Semi should take Morris minutes given his D on the Greek Freak. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 6, 2019 13:29:52 GMT -5
You guys will have to answer for me as I haven't been able to watch as much as I'd like (especially since Brown's "resurgence"). He's been playing well (mostly on the 2nd unit). Is how he's been doing it "translatable" to the 1st? What I mean is, aside from an injury early on, many suggested that part of his problem was learning how to be a complimentary player. Moving to the second unit allowed him to be the guy amongst that group.
Would it be better to keep him there? Granted, the "2nd Unit" will include some of the "1st unit" guys WHEN (please when) Brad tightens up his rotations.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 6, 2019 14:18:35 GMT -5
I think it works because Baynes doesn't need the ball and Horford is Horford. Maybe I missed a few games, yet to start the season we only played that starting lineup once. Instead starting Hayward, then Morris and Smart. In a way it's amazing that what I feel is our best lineup hasn't played a ton of minutes together and started hardly any games together.
I think that works better than Hayward, Brown, and Morris on the second unit, with Rozier. While Morris can sometimes make big baskets, he just doesn't play team ball. All depends if and how he shortens the bench and sets the rotations also.
Brown in the starting lineup just gives you the best defensive and offensive lineup. If Irving can trust Tatum and Brown, help get them good shots and play team ball we can still beat any team in the league. We need Tatum and Brown attacking the Basket and getting to the line. It helps balance out Irving's perimeter game. It's also last year's lineup just switching Rozier for Irving.
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