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Post by tizzle on Nov 10, 2018 16:47:19 GMT -5
Insanely cheap for Butler. Agreed that Celtics now look like more of a 4 seed. Nope. Celtics still look like a one or two seed once they get their act together. I think so, too. Unless Toronto and Milwaukee can keep up their ridiculous pace. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 10, 2018 16:50:32 GMT -5
I agree opening up more minutes for everyone would be best with a trade.
The Celtics aren't this bad though. It'll get better. The only thing I'm worried about is Hayward taking a full year to comeback and be the real Hayward.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 10, 2018 18:13:46 GMT -5
Less about his talent and more about how doesnt always mesh with a younger team and personalities
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2018 18:16:18 GMT -5
We are still going with the Kyrie makes the team worse takes after the last 2 games? 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2018 19:07:03 GMT -5
Kinda proves my point doesn't it? With Kyrie we need him to score 39 points and we get 116 inculding OT. Rozier lead offense scores 115 against a much better UTAH team. Our coach let us down in that game going small against a big team. Just look they had like a 20 rebound advantage.
Kyrie needs to be a SG! Doesn't play team ball and plays at a crazy slow pace. At this point I don't know how you can even debate that. Look at the numbers! 115 points is the second highest amount this season without overtime. Without Irving!
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 10, 2018 23:22:44 GMT -5
This could come back to haunt me, but I think this is a terrible trade for the 6ers when it comes to fit. I really don't trust Butler as a shooter and they need shooters to go with Embiid and Simmons. They traded away 2 better shooters than Butler to get him. Besides, Butler is a ball stopper and it doesn't bode well for the more uptempo like style of Simmons. We'll see if this works or not, but I don't like it for Philly.
I too would like to see Rozier starting alongside Kyrie. Not because I think Rozier runs the offense better (I don't), but the idea of injecting 2 smaller guards could change the pace a bit. If it doesn't work, hey, it's not like the offense is working anyways.
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Post by dangermike on Nov 11, 2018 7:53:29 GMT -5
This could come back to haunt me, but I think this is a terrible trade for the 6ers when it comes to fit. I really don't trust Butler as a shooter and they need shooters to go with Embiid and Simmons. They traded away 2 better shooters than Butler to get him. Besides, Butler is a ball stopper and it doesn't bode well for the more uptempo like style of Simmons. We'll see if this works or not, but I don't like it for Philly. I too would like to see Rozier starting alongside Kyrie. Not because I think Rozier runs the offense better (I don't), but the idea of injecting 2 smaller guards could change the pace a bit. If it doesn't work, hey, it's not like the offense is working anyways. The Butler deal definitely doesn’t make me more nervous about a playoff series against the Sixers. They lost depth and Simmons can’t shoot - star players who shoot a high percentage from 3, are way more dangerous not only bc of the scoring but the spacing it requires of the defense. Embiid can shoot it but his main plan of attack is inside the paint or close to it and Simmons needs to be around the hoop or in transition to be effective so I like our chances to choke their offense in the playoffs when the rubber meets the road. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 11, 2018 9:47:11 GMT -5
Butler makes the Sixers better, we can pretend like he doesn’t because another player may be a more ideal fit, but the are better today. It’s funny that outside Golden State, the next best teams are probably Toronto, Milwaukee, Boston and Philly. And Indiana could be a top 10. LeBron leaves the East and now it’s the better Conference at the top.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 11, 2018 9:48:29 GMT -5
Kinda proves my point doesn't it? With Kyrie we need him to score 39 points and we get 116 inculding OT. Rozier lead offense scores 115 against a much better UTAH team. Our coach let us down in that game going small against a big team. Just look they had like a 20 rebound advantage. Kyrie needs to be a SG! Doesn't play team ball and plays at a crazy slow pace. At this point I don't know how you can even debate that. Look at the numbers! 115 points is the second highest amount this season without overtime. Without Irving! You act like Kyrie jacks up a million shots a game. It’s just not the case. He’s so Selfish he passed up a game tying shot to give Morris a better look. A selfish super star forces that shot up. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 11, 2018 9:50:52 GMT -5
Duke on ESPN today vs Army at 1. Normally, I wouldn’t care about watching Duke destroy Army, but I’m definitely recording the game.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 11, 2018 11:28:02 GMT -5
Definitely agree that Butler makes Philly better right now (my point was probably not expressed correctly). There are risks however
1. How Butler meshes with the personality of Embiid
2. If he makes either Simmons or Fultz cry
3. Of course, if he walks away via Free Agency their future won't look as bright.
Now if he DOES stay, all they have to do is dump Fultz and they could bring in another MAX FA (assuming they renounce all other holds).
Wonder if they changeup the rotation now. Feel like Simmons, Redick, Embiid, Chandler (I believe he's playing now) and Butler (Simmons ability to run the offense while guarding 4s is huge).
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 11, 2018 11:47:00 GMT -5
Butler makes the Sixers better, we can pretend like he doesn’t because another player may be a more ideal fit, but the are better today. It’s funny that outside Golden State, the next best teams are probably Toronto, Milwaukee, Boston and Philly. And Indiana could be a top 10. LeBron leaves the East and now it’s the better Conference at the top. Not sure they're better. They need to surround Embiid and Simmons with shooters. They traded 2 of their 3 best shooters and got a guy that by all accounts is not great from deep. Sure historically we have examples of like Lebron playing next to Wade where the fit is terrible but it ends up working great, but those are not frequent enough to ignore completely how the players mesh next to each other. Right now, I think the Bucks are much better built than the 6ers. The players surrounding the Alphabet make way more sense than the ones around Simmons/Embiid. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 11, 2018 15:30:11 GMT -5
Kinda proves my point doesn't it? With Kyrie we need him to score 39 points and we get 116 inculding OT. Rozier lead offense scores 115 against a much better UTAH team. Our coach let us down in that game going small against a big team. Just look they had like a 20 rebound advantage. Kyrie needs to be a SG! Doesn't play team ball and plays at a crazy slow pace. At this point I don't know how you can even debate that. Look at the numbers! 115 points is the second highest amount this season without overtime. Without Irving! You act like Kyrie jacks up a million shots a game. It’s just not the case. He’s so Selfish he passed up a game tying shot to give Morris a better look. A selfish super star forces that shot up. How do I act like that given I didn't even mention shots? This is like last year all over again I say one thing and everyone thinks I'm saying something different. Just like last year no Irving and our offense gets better. Last year during the playoffs I said Rozier and the way he plays helped Horford, Tatum, and Brown. He plays more team ball, runs our offense and plays at a much faster pace. His rebounding allows him to get the ball and go. Getting Tatum, Brown, and Horford running the floor, getting wide open threes and layups. Given our starting lineup and depth you need to play that way. If your starting Hayward your playing to outscore people. That isn't Irvings game as a PG, he's a slower work the clock type PG. Hence either start a Rozier or Smart to run the team or start Baynes and play D like last year. Roziers impact on offense is going to be less if he's not playing with Tatum, Brown, and Horford. It's not like he's crazy selfish, he just plays his game that he learned from LeBron. That is a slower pace, iso game, not great team ball, that when people struggle you stop passing and just look to score. You agreed that given our talent and depth we needed to increase pace and play more like Golden State, yet were in the bottom 3rd in pace this year. Irving is a great player and scorer, yet we have a crap load of data that shows our offense gets better without him. Gotta admit that's kinda crazy right? You take out an elite scorer and our offense gets better? Irving needs to pick up the pace, play more team ball running our offense and make sure players are getting touches. The fact he gets 5 assists a game doesn't change that. Heck a player like Irving playing with this much talent should be a lot higher. He's basically at the same level from his Cavs days when LeBron ran that offense, which is the problem. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 11, 2018 20:50:42 GMT -5
As down as I am about the Pats this year, I still remain very optimistic about the Celtics.
Tonight is the night where the Celtics go on a dominant winning streak, I think.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 11, 2018 21:30:26 GMT -5
It’s LOL funny how bad this team is right now.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 11, 2018 21:33:46 GMT -5
It’s LOL funny how bad this team is right now. They've been flat out terrible defending the PnR this game, this is borderline unwatchable. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 11, 2018 21:51:38 GMT -5
Good thing the Sox won the World Series.
I have to remind myself of this when Boston has awful days like this.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 11, 2018 21:53:34 GMT -5
It's bad enough that the Celtics can't score right now, their defense has been even worse on the road now on this roadtrip giving up over 100 on average over the roadtrip.
This will be the worst road trip in the Brad Steven's Era. Not a exaggeration either.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 11, 2018 21:57:50 GMT -5
I don't care about the points, they are red hot from three. I do care we are getting killed on the boards again and can't score.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 11, 2018 22:12:23 GMT -5
Notorious small baller Al Horford with mighty 3 points while his direct opponent already has a double double.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 11, 2018 22:16:10 GMT -5
Notorious small baller Al Horford with mighty 3 points while his direct opponent already has a double double. Special shout out to Brown who has been one of the most disappointing players this year with zero points and one rebound in over 12 minutes. Talk about a disappearing act by both players. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 11, 2018 22:21:54 GMT -5
Notorious small baller Al Horford with mighty 3 points while his direct opponent already has a double double. Special shout out to Brown who has been one of the most disappointing players this year with zero points and one rebound in over 12 minutes. Talk about a disappearing act by both players. Not a sophomore slump for Brown - I think that a challenge in defining roles and a rotation on this team by Stevens has really hurt some of the players, none more than Brown. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 11, 2018 22:28:43 GMT -5
The Celtics officially have 2 buckets in their last 7 minutes of basketball.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 11, 2018 23:26:31 GMT -5
Let's bring an Eck line into this game. Yuck.
Last year after 13 games - 11-2 and streaking. This year so far - 7-6 and going in the wrong direction.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 11, 2018 23:27:55 GMT -5
Never had a lead. I think they tied it once all night. Gave up 100 points again on defense.
I can't believe this team is closer to a losing record than they are to the number one seed. Would have never predicted that before the season began after 13 games this season.
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