SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on May 8, 2019 23:46:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't be talking about needing player like Kyrie to win in this league. We did better last year without him! This team has a chance to go no where for a while. Welcome to mediocrity imo. I'll never be so tuned out with the Celtics if nothing big happens this off-season. I know you'll disagree, but that's honestly how I feel about this. You can feel however you want, yet remember you thought Irving improves last year's team and gets us to the finals. Yet he litterally shot us out of four straight games. People rag on Rozier's game seven last year, Irving was worse for four straight games! Horrible in seven out of nine playoff games. Same team, same coach from last year. Nevermind I'm not sure he's gone, might be likely, but it kills his legacy. Like he needs to do some soul searching. Never been the biggest Irving fan, but I can't believe what I just watched. He litterally cracked under pressure. Mr. follow me I know how to win, couldn't handle the pressure and basically lost his cool and cracked. It might be the greatest choke job in Boston sports history. I know that's likely a heat of the moment type comment, yet it feels legit right now.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 0:14:32 GMT -5
This team has a chance to go no where for a while. Welcome to mediocrity imo. I'll never be so tuned out with the Celtics if nothing big happens this off-season. I know you'll disagree, but that's honestly how I feel about this. You can feel however you want, yet remember you thought Irving improves last year's team and gets us to the finals. Yet he litterally shot us out of four straight games. People rag on Rozier's game seven last year, Irving was worse for four straight games! Horrible in seven out of nine playoff games. Same team, same coach from last year. Nevermind I'm not sure he's gone, might be likely, but it kills his legacy. Like he needs to do some soul searching. Never been the biggest Irving fan, but I can't believe what I just watched. He litterally cracked under pressure. Mr. follow me I know how to win, couldn't handle the pressure and basically lost his cool and cracked. It might be the greatest choke job in Boston sports history. I know that's likely a heat of the moment type comment, yet it feels legit right now. Hayward broke his foot. We never got to see what the potential of what this team's ceiling at any point and now we never will. Another Celtics tragedy. Go figure. There's only been like 5 of these the past 30 years. Kyrie doesn't care about legacy. He's a fruit loop. He'll leave unless Danny trades for like 2 other superstars and forces his decision and remakes the team completely to fit what he wants. More talented veterans who can carry the load around him so he can be free to just shoot the ball at will with wide open shots.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on May 9, 2019 0:38:24 GMT -5
Pedro you really think Irving doesn't care about his legacy? That goes against everything he's said for two years now. He forced his way off a title winning team so he could be the man for his legacy. You don't talk about being in LeBron's shadow if you don't care about legacy. I don't know if a player cared more about legacy in recent memory than Irving.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 4:38:04 GMT -5
Pedro you really think Irving doesn't care about his legacy? That goes against everything he's said for two years now. He forced his way off a title winning team so he could be the man for his legacy. You don't talk about being in LeBron's shadow if you don't care about legacy. I don't know if a player cared more about legacy in recent memory than Irving. I think Kyrie can twist his legacy in his head to suit himself in any way he wants. You're talking about a dude who talks about absolutely nothing (while thinking he's made complete sense) and makes absolutely no sense in doing so. He also thinks the earth *might* be flat. I don't think the dude is really all that smart at all. I think he's a really talented basketball player that thinks about him and himself. He could have had a million reasons why he wanted to leave LeBron, heck I could think of 10 reasons why I would want to be on the opposite side of the country to LeBron too. Kyrie will do what's best for Kyrie. He will also talk about how making the best decision for himself was best for his legacy to either leave or stay with the Celtics (most likely leave). No one will understand what the heck he's talking about, but those reasons will make perfect sense to Kyrie. You getting where I'm going with this? This is how Kyrie talks and thinks.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 5:25:13 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 5:39:22 GMT -5
This is hardly why I never got on Brad Stevens this year over rotations.
You had 3 guys in contract years in Kyrie, Rozier, and Morris. All 3 were trying to get paid. Rozier was fighting for minutes all year "to be smiling, because a smiling Terry is a good Terry." Morris wanted starter minutes. Kyrie wanted to run the basketball team the way he wanted.
Then you had the veteran versus the rookie dynamic in the clubhouse all because of the playoffs last year.
Everyone is fighting for minutes outside of Smart, Brown, and Tatum. Brown and Tatum are two of your best players and you had to play them.
You had Stevens who (mistakenly) tried to get Hayward as many minutes as he could because he was trying to get him to player he once was and he's very close to him.
It was a freaking disaster from start. They were a very seperate group. None of them wanted to play together all year and it was pretty obvious early on. Everyone will blame Kyrie. I blame everyone.
I really wish that Hayward didn't break his foot and Kyrie never needed the surgery. MAYBE THEN EVERYONE WOULD HAVE LEARNED TO PLAY TOGETHER THE PAST TWO YEARS. The young guys wouldn't have had a playoff round to hold over the veterans in this group. The veterans might have actually shared the freaking basketball more and tried to win more instead of "getting theirs."
This was a process that took literally years to assemble and it was destroyed along with the dreams of me and a lot of Celtic fans. It took one f-ing messed up year after a bad year of circumstances the year before to completely DESTROY THIS PROCESS.
THERE WAS EGOS EVERYWHERE. KYRIE. MORRIS. BROWN. ROZIER. All said stupid crap throughout the year and all deserve the blame and Stevens was put right in the middle of it. He did a really poor job of managing it, but it's the f-ing NBA and he's trying to cater to the players the best of his ability and failed miserably (so what can he really f-ing do here?)
This is way worse than the 2011 Red Sox. It didn't take years of losing and luck to get to the 2011 Red Sox. It did with the 2018/2019 Celtics. You were lucky to be able to get Hayward and Irving in the first place. Now one is broken and the other is leaving after you couldn't have him play in your system well. It's impossible to develop from within, but here we go all over again, I guess. I love having basketball teams with low ceileing in terms of winning. SIGH.
|
|
wcp3
Veteran
Posts: 3,860
|
Post by wcp3 on May 9, 2019 6:02:13 GMT -5
Lol at quoting Lou Merloni. That guy has zero legitimate sources.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 6:05:42 GMT -5
Lol at quoting Lou Merloni. That guy has zero legitimate sources. I believe the circumstances in his quote. I don't take Lou Merloni seriously either when it comes to basketball.
|
|
wcp3
Veteran
Posts: 3,860
|
Post by wcp3 on May 9, 2019 6:11:01 GMT -5
Lol at quoting Lou Merloni. That guy has zero legitimate sources. I believe the circumstances in his quote. I don't take Lou Merloni seriously either when it comes to basketball. Just because the quote is believable doesn’t make it credible. At best, Merloni’s basketball sources are giving us third-hand info, which should be ignored. I have a feeling we’ll get plenty of real quotes from legitimate sources over the next few days.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 6:14:09 GMT -5
I believe the circumstances in his quote. I don't take Lou Merloni seriously either when it comes to basketball. Just because the quote is believable doesn’t make it credible. At best, Merloni’s basketball sources are giving us third-hand info, which should be ignored. I have a feeling we’ll get plenty of real quotes from legitimate sources over the next few days. The first part is fair, but I really think that was the case and that's why I posted it. I tried to stay away from it, but it was really relevant to the point of the next post I was trying to make. It is really believable. I think it's the truth, even though neither one of us can prove it.
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on May 9, 2019 6:49:41 GMT -5
Time to start an offseason thread. It will probably be more exciting than this season was, which wouldn't take much.
I will start with this nugget: AD, a true #1 and top 5 player might be exactly what Kyrie needs to keep him in line, a true superstar. And AD could be the perfect addition to suppress the Freaks expected domination of the East in the coming years. Rather than start over Kyrieless, I would bet Danny will continue his pursuit of AD.
Gordon will be better next year and a lineup of him, Kyrie, Brown, Al and AD with Marcus as a sixth man would be formidable. Either that or the C's take a step backward, which way do they go will be the fodder.
|
|
wcp3
Veteran
Posts: 3,860
|
Post by wcp3 on May 9, 2019 6:58:02 GMT -5
Do they trade for Davis without knowing that Kyrie is re-signing? I’m not sure they do, but it’s too early to tell.
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on May 9, 2019 7:02:21 GMT -5
Kyrie reminds me of the sickness that many people go thru in their teens and early twenties but eventually grow out of with some maturity. It is called "knowitallitis", I hope this is the summer of his recognition that he doesn't. Like I said before and in defense of Stevens, he has been uncoachable.
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on May 9, 2019 7:03:49 GMT -5
Do they trade for Davis without knowing that Kyrie is re-signing? I’m not sure they do, but it’s too early to tell. I think getting AD will be what Kyrie wants to see first.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on May 9, 2019 7:10:13 GMT -5
Kyrie reminds me of the sickness that many people go thru in their teens and early twenties but eventually grow out of with some maturity. It is called "knowitallitis", I hope this is the summer of his recognition that he doesn't. Like I said before and in defense of Stevens, he has been uncoachable. The guy who said he should have taken 30 shots instead of 22 when he was 7-22 because he's such a great shooter doesn't sound like he's close to learning anything. If he said maybe he shouldn't force so many shots, then he might have been.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on May 9, 2019 13:06:16 GMT -5
This is hardly why I never got on Brad Stevens this year over rotations. You had 3 guys in contract years in Kyrie, Rozier, and Morris. All 3 were trying to get paid. Rozier was fighting for minutes all year "to be smiling, because a smiling Terry is a good Terry." Morris wanted starter minutes. Kyrie wanted to run the basketball team the way he wanted. Then you had the veteran versus the rookie dynamic in the clubhouse all because of the playoffs last year. Everyone is fighting for minutes outside of Smart, Brown, and Tatum. Brown and Tatum are two of your best players and you had to play them. You had Stevens who (mistakenly) tried to get Hayward as many minutes as he could because he was trying to get him to player he once was and he's very close to him. It was a freaking disaster from start. They were a very seperate group. None of them wanted to play together all year and it was pretty obvious early on. Everyone will blame Kyrie. I blame everyone. I really wish that Hayward didn't break his foot and Kyrie never needed the surgery. MAYBE THEN EVERYONE WOULD HAVE LEARNED TO PLAY TOGETHER THE PAST TWO YEARS. The young guys wouldn't have had a playoff round to hold over the veterans in this group. The veterans might have actually shared the freaking basketball more and tried to win more instead of "getting theirs." This was a process that took literally years to assemble and it was destroyed along with the dreams of me and a lot of Celtic fans. It took one f-ing messed up year after a bad year of circumstances the year before to completely DESTROY THIS PROCESS. THERE WAS EGOS EVERYWHERE. KYRIE. MORRIS. BROWN. ROZIER. All said stupid crap throughout the year and all deserve the blame and Stevens was put right in the middle of it. He did a really poor job of managing it, but it's the f-ing NBA and he's trying to cater to the players the best of his ability and failed miserably (so what can he really f-ing do here?) This is way worse than the 2011 Red Sox. It didn't take years of losing and luck to get to the 2011 Red Sox. It did with the 2018/2019 Celtics. You were lucky to be able to get Hayward and Irving in the first place. Now one is broken and the other is leaving after you couldn't have him play in your system well. It's impossible to develop from within, but here we go all over again, I guess. I love having basketball teams with low ceileing in terms of winning. SIGH. What did Rozier do? Given his situation I think he handled it about as well as any young player could. He certainly wasn't saying crap to the media like Irving and Morris all season. He went from starter playing big minutes to playing very few minutes. Like no one lost more value than Rozier during the season and yet he never flipped out like Irving did 15 plus times. The chemistry between Horford, Tatum, Brown, and Rozier was awesome during last year's playoffs. You have to blame Danny, too much talent is an issue if it doesn't fit together and Irving makes fitting pieces harder. It was also a team full of slashers, when Irving's current style required floor spacing shooters and limited our slashers. You also had too many small forwards and guards. Like Irving could have been the glue to hold it together, which is the crazy part. His shooting and playmaking in theory would fit very well. Yet it was all about him, not the team. He didn't want to add to last year's playoff team, he wanted to change it to his team. He didn't want to help Tatum and Brown grow, he wanted them to take a back seat to the Irving show. So while the Hayward injury was tragic, it didn't ruin anything. Irving is Irving, heck if anything he needed a season like this to check his ego. Maybe now he can respect what the young guys did and the value of team play. Irving and Hayward were never going to be the most talented team. Without team play we never would have won anything. Hayward was never seen on Irving's level, so no way he could have held him in check like LeBron could. Frankly no injuries and this happens last year and we don't get that great playoff run.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 15:13:29 GMT -5
Umass. Rozier is running his freaking mouth. Over and over again, quote after quote after having a down year. Shut up and play. He ran his mouth all year. All I know is THAT'S not good for team chemistry. I'm not going to argue against your Kyrie stance because that is like arguing the same thing over and over again.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on May 9, 2019 15:58:29 GMT -5
And look at what else he said in that article.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on May 9, 2019 16:05:34 GMT -5
After the season, that's when you talk to the media. I have zero issue with what he said, he's just being truthful. Now if he said that during the season you'd have a point. He's pissed given the role he accepted, how it could effect him long-term and it was for nothing because certain players were so selfish. Heck even after the season that is mild compared to comments made during the season from certain players. Frankly the fact we didn't see that during the season is my point. No player on the Celtics had more reason to bitch and moan than Rozier did and we got almost nothing all year from him. We got stuff like at the start of the playoffs that guys had put behind their differences for the team.
We'll find out in time what really happened behind closed doors. Yet given everything said to the media I don't see how his ego was an issue. If it was, we've yet to see or hear about it. Just imagine if the rolls were reversed and Irving had Rozier's role.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on May 9, 2019 16:10:16 GMT -5
Yeah, the fact that Rozier did willingly step back for the team and gave up a sh*tload of money says a lot more than his few words after the season is over.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 18:22:29 GMT -5
Yeah, the fact that Rozier did willingly step back for the team and gave up a sh*tload of money says a lot more than his few words after the season is over. The dude is on his rookie deal and has no say over his playing time. Be the team player and shut up and play basketball. You're freaking stretching the truth too. A few words after the season? Lol!! The dude was yapping all freaking year about his playing time. I can pull up the quotes if you don't believe me. The dude was unprofessional all year. The perfect comparison to this is the Blake Swihart situation last year. You know what Blake Swihart did? Said all the right things and went to his agent and let him do all the talking (which is perfectly fine). In the end, the Kyrie bashers will NEVER see more than anything than Kyrie's fault all year. It's going to be sad if Kyrie uses his connections to all the great talent, like KD, and use it to form a great team in New York. Hope you enjoy losing to new york until KD slows down if that's the case.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 18:25:15 GMT -5
And look at what else he said in that article. Except he was one of the guys who was on a contract year and was bitching all year about playing time, what a COMPLETE contradiction.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on May 9, 2019 19:25:00 GMT -5
Your Boy Irving demanded a trade while under contract, from a team that went to the finals! Lol
When did he bitch about playing time Pedro?
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on May 9, 2019 19:26:06 GMT -5
Yeah, all they need is to get rid of Rozier and encourage Kyrie to shoot 100% more air balls and everything will be great.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 9, 2019 19:55:05 GMT -5
Yeah, all they need is to get rid of Rozier and encourage Kyrie to shoot 100% more air balls and everything will be great. No what they need is better talent around Kyrie.
|
|
|