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2019 Patriots Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2019 17:57:07 GMT -5
WHO'S THE PROTOTYPICAL PATRIOT? When you look at the program from which he came, the fact that he was a captain, his size (6-4, 277 pounds) and his length, Georgia's Jonathan Ledbetter seems like a Patriots fit on the edge. He was Kirby Smart's co-MVP on the defensive side of the ball and has plenty of experience playing in big games. Sound like a Patriot to you? He might be available on Day 2, where the Patriots are flush with picks, giving them an opportunity to draft a long-armed edge defender from the SEC for the third time in the last five years. Another player who looks like a prototype for the Patriots based on his rare length and size (6-7, 275) is Charles Omenihu from Texas. The fact that Omenihu can rush from the inside and the edge and had two productive years under coach Tom Herman, a former Urban Meyer assistant, won't hurt him in Belichick's eyes. www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/next-trey-flowers-awaiting-patriots-indy |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2019 18:03:57 GMT -5
So many trades I was mistaken they turned that 51st pick into a 56 this year plus a 4th that was Hand, that turned into a 3rd. So it's Miller versus a 2nd and third this year, plus Sam. Which ia a lot better, yet Miller still looks good. RJP you can 100% play that game. That's how you find out if the Patriots crazy amount of trades makes sense. If Miller is a stud of those picks fail it was a bad move by the Patriots. What does our Superbowl have to do with it? Adding a guy like Miller would only make them deeper and better. None of those picks went towards Brown, McCourty or even Patterson. Pasted wrong thing my bad - wanted to send the stuff about the McCourty and brown trades along with comp picks for solder and McCourty. Add: I do want to say tho that I don’t like comparing who the other team picked to what you do later when judging a trade. The Patriots wouldn’t have drafted those players in all likelihood hence the reason for the trade. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 27, 2019 18:20:06 GMT -5
Sorry it was right stuff but wanted to highlight the comment it opens to,  |
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Post by costpet on Feb 28, 2019 8:35:33 GMT -5
The Pats have 12 picks this year. Do you really think 12 rookies will make the team? BB knows that's impossible, so trading some of the picks for either veteran players and/or future picks will be his game plan. He might not even keep his 1st round pick, depending who is available at 32. He has enough draft capital to do anything he wants. If I was the rest of the league, I would be afraid.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2019 9:10:11 GMT -5
Interesting stuff here especially with regards to Clayborn. He was much better than given credit for last year. He’s an example of the Patriots using a player the right way. He’s not getting cut and asking him to take an outright pay cut doesn’t make much sense, but I like the extension idea they drew up here to free a little more space. www.patspulpit.com/2019/2/27/18228269/new-england-patriots-cap-space-creating-maneuvers-2019-nfl-offseason-free-agency-tom-bradyAllen is obviously getting cut or drastically restructuring his deal. Cannon isn’t going anywhere and he won’t and shouldn’t restructure. Gronk and McCourty aren’t restructuring if they are playing. They could do extensions to lower cap hits now and get them more guaranteed money. If they don’t plan on playing thru the contract then it could work in Patriots favor. Something like this: McCourty today has a 13.4m cap hit w/ 9m salary and 500k roster bonus. In essence he’s getting 9.5m this year. They could guarantee him more money now and lower his cap a good amount. If he’s thought about retiring he’s probably only got a year maybe 2 beyond this one, if any. 3 year extension for 27m 8m signing bonus. Salary this year would be 4.5m guaranteed so his cash intake this year goes up 2.5m. His salaries the next 2 years will be 6m and 8.5m Cap looks like this: 2019: 4.5 (salary) + 2.67 (SB) + 3.935 (carry over bonus) = 11.1m. (Saves 2.3m this year) 2020: 6m + 2.67 (Sb) = 8.67. (5.34 dead money if retires or is cut) 2021: 8.5m + 2.67 (SB)= 11.17 cap (2.67 dead money) Is it worth the potential dead money next year to save 2.3m this year? Could be - also that’s just an example and it depends how friendly McCourty wants to get with the team. Something similar can be done with Gronk. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2019 11:36:02 GMT -5
WHO'S THE PROTOTYPICAL PATRIOT? When you look at the program from which he came, the fact that he was a captain, his size (6-4, 277 pounds) and his length, Georgia's Jonathan Ledbetter seems like a Patriots fit on the edge. He was Kirby Smart's co-MVP on the defensive side of the ball and has plenty of experience playing in big games. Sound like a Patriot to you? He might be available on Day 2, where the Patriots are flush with picks, giving them an opportunity to draft a long-armed edge defender from the SEC for the third time in the last five years. Another player who looks like a prototype for the Patriots based on his rare length and size (6-7, 275) is Charles Omenihu from Texas. The fact that Omenihu can rush from the inside and the edge and had two productive years under coach Tom Herman, a former Urban Meyer assistant, won't hurt him in Belichick's eyes. www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/next-trey-flowers-awaiting-patriots-indyUmm yea Ledbetter sounds like a Patriot, but some see him as a 3-4 DE, not a 4-3 guy. That makes sense given his production a lot of tackles yet few for loss and only one sack this year, 3.5 in the last two years. He looks like a round 5-6 guy, not a day two pick. Frankly I wonder if he even fits, that guy seems to overlook that. Omenihu is different he has the production. 9.5 sacks last year, plus two other ok years. Walter football has him at 6'5" we'll have to see, they also have him as slow, so the combine will determine if he's a day two pick. Kiper does have him #10 on his DE rankings though. Just starting my research but add Austin Bryant DE Clemson 6'4" 268 very good production, great program and coach. He could be a day two target at DE. Looking at DT Dre'Mont Jones Ohio State could be a target at the end of round one. Bill loves connections and our defensive coordinator coached him. Much more of a penetrating type DT, which is what I think we need. Also DT Albert Huggins Clemson on day three makes sense. Overshadowed by the big two guys, yet very good production as a backup. Big reason why losing Dexter Lawrence seemed to not effect that team. The three first round guys kinda overshadowed Bryant and Huggins, but they could be very good value later in the draft. Talk about epic draft class and why they were so good, they have 5 guys just from the DL that will get drafted this year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2019 12:13:35 GMT -5
Interesting stuff here especially with regards to Clayborn. He was much better than given credit for last year. He’s an example of the Patriots using a player the right way. He’s not getting cut and asking him to take an outright pay cut doesn’t make much sense, but I like the extension idea they drew up here to free a little more space. www.patspulpit.com/2019/2/27/18228269/new-england-patriots-cap-space-creating-maneuvers-2019-nfl-offseason-free-agency-tom-bradyAllen is obviously getting cut or drastically restructuring his deal. Cannon isn’t going anywhere and he won’t and shouldn’t restructure. Gronk and McCourty aren’t restructuring if they are playing. They could do extensions to lower cap hits now and get them more guaranteed money. If they don’t plan on playing thru the contract then it could work in Patriots favor. Something like this: McCourty today has a 13.4m cap hit w/ 9m salary and 500k roster bonus. In essence he’s getting 9.5m this year. They could guarantee him more money now and lower his cap a good amount. If he’s thought about retiring he’s probably only got a year maybe 2 beyond this one, if any. 3 year extension for 27m 8m signing bonus. Salary this year would be 4.5m guaranteed so his cash intake this year goes up 2.5m. His salaries the next 2 years will be 6m and 8.5m Cap looks like this: 2019: 4.5 (salary) + 2.67 (SB) + 3.935 (carry over bonus) = 11.1m. (Saves 2.3m this year) 2020: 6m + 2.67 (Sb) = 8.67. (5.34 dead money if retires or is cut) 2021: 8.5m + 2.67 (SB)= 11.17 cap (2.67 dead money) Is it worth the potential dead money next year to save 2.3m this year? Could be - also that’s just an example and it depends how friendly McCourty wants to get with the team. Something similar can be done with Gronk. Well McCourty is still good, PFF ranked him 11th, yet he's making top 5 safety money. I'd love to have the McCourty brothers back, but Devin needs to take a paycut and Jason would need to take less than he will get offered. I'd move on from both if it meant keeping Flowers. So yea I'd risk losing him, I don't want too, but his production just doesn't match his salary. He's a guy I'd talk extension with though. I'm open to a Clayborn extension, that makes a ton of sense. Aligns his production with his pay. He might have been great when looking at the percentage of plays. Yet overall his production doesn't match a 6 million cap hit either, 3.7 million isn't bad at all given his dead money. Still on my list though, you might need his money for Flowers. McCourty and Clayborn give you the money to pay Flowers and still have plenty to fill other holes. Gronk is kinda different he was awesome in 2017. Was it just injuries last year or is he done as an elite receiver? If he comes back I don't think you can mess with his contract. He's another guy I'd talk extension with. They can get creative and move money around. It's the smart play because we just don't know how many more years we have Brady for or when he has that big decline. Tom Brady is a huge one though. They could clear a massive amount if he wants to be team friendly. Say a million per game, 2 years 32 million, 16 million per year. Come on Tom, you and the wife are already worth over half a billion. He needs to get paid sure, but right now isn't it about legacy and more Championships? If you wanted to backload he could give us 10 million in space this year. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 28, 2019 13:09:24 GMT -5
I think Gronk was playing hurt a lot and looked less explosive for sure. Hopefully he comes back next year but he won't take a pay cut. He has asked for more money every off season as he believed he wasn't paid enough, no way he takes a cut now.
Brady will sign an extension and it will be team friendly as he doesn't need the $$ but I think he will not go too low as it will look bad as a player. Or he could just say Fyou to the league and play for a lot less, he does seem to be a bit more daring these days.
I don't think the Pats will cough up 17m for Flowers, hate to see him go but that's what they do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2019 13:16:30 GMT -5
Quick look at WRs I like guys mentioned already like Samuel, Renfroe, Isabella, and Whiteside. I just have to say I don't think Whiteside or Isabella are close to first round type guys. Maybe bottom of the second round, but more like 3-4 type guys. I've seen Whiteside play and I don't think he'll run fast. If he does I wouldn't trust it, he doesn't look fast. I will admit he had two of his worst three games against Notre Dame the last two years, so maybe I'm off or it was just Notre Dames D. He's very good at catching those 50-50 balls on smaller college DBs, but he just never got separation.
Riley Ridley WR Georgia keeps having people calling him the best route runner in the draft projection rounds 2-3. Brother of Calvin Ridley first round pick last year. Not a burner, was used more in the slot even though he's 6'2". Didn't have great production, but everyone keeps saying that was the system and talent level. Reports if he returned he could have been a first round pick next year.
Miles Boykin WR Notre Dame in some ways he's a lot like Whiteside, elite at those 50-50 balls. He's just faster or he plays faster. If Notre Dames QB could throw a good deep ball he would have put up crazy numbers. He excelled against LSU in last years bowl game and was the one receiver that did anything against Clemson. Projected as a 3-5 round guy.
It looks like a rather good group of WRs, just doesn't have those elite top of the first round type players.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2019 14:33:10 GMT -5
Quick look at WRs I like guys mentioned already like Samuel, Renfroe, Isabella, and Whiteside. I just have to say I don't think Whiteside or Isabella are close to first round type guys. Maybe bottom of the second round, but more like 3-4 type guys. I've seen Whiteside play and I don't think he'll run fast. If he does I wouldn't trust it, he doesn't look fast. I will admit he had two of his worst three games against Notre Dame the last two years, so maybe I'm off or it was just Notre Dames D. He's very good at catching those 50-50 balls on smaller college DBs, but he just never got separation. Riley Ridley WR Georgia keeps having people calling him the best route runner in the draft projection rounds 2-3. Brother of Calvin Ridley first round pick last year. Not a burner, was used more in the slot even though he's 6'2". Didn't have great production, but everyone keeps saying that was the system and talent level. Reports if he returned he could have been a first round pick next year. Miles Boykin WR Notre Dame in some ways he's a lot like Whiteside, elite at those 50-50 balls. He's just faster or he plays faster. If Notre Dames QB could throw a good deep ball he would have put up crazy numbers. He excelled against LSU in last years bowl game and was the one receiver that did anything against Clemson. Projected as a 3-5 round guy. It looks like a rather good group of WRs, just doesn't have those elite top of the first round type players. 40 times for WRs is one of the more useless stats from the combine so I really don’t care about them. A guy who’s good at running a track style 40 doesn’t translate to the football field. We are talking tenths of a second - these guys aren’t track stars - some are better at it than others - who cares? Some of the best receivers in the league had lousy 40 times but they aren’t slow on the football field. And when I say useless I mean in a practical sense. I realize they can affect where a guy is drafted but it shouldn’t. I like Ridley a lot in the second round. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2019 14:35:59 GMT -5
Interesting stuff here especially with regards to Clayborn. He was much better than given credit for last year. He’s an example of the Patriots using a player the right way. He’s not getting cut and asking him to take an outright pay cut doesn’t make much sense, but I like the extension idea they drew up here to free a little more space. www.patspulpit.com/2019/2/27/18228269/new-england-patriots-cap-space-creating-maneuvers-2019-nfl-offseason-free-agency-tom-bradyAllen is obviously getting cut or drastically restructuring his deal. Cannon isn’t going anywhere and he won’t and shouldn’t restructure. Gronk and McCourty aren’t restructuring if they are playing. They could do extensions to lower cap hits now and get them more guaranteed money. If they don’t plan on playing thru the contract then it could work in Patriots favor. Something like this: McCourty today has a 13.4m cap hit w/ 9m salary and 500k roster bonus. In essence he’s getting 9.5m this year. They could guarantee him more money now and lower his cap a good amount. If he’s thought about retiring he’s probably only got a year maybe 2 beyond this one, if any. 3 year extension for 27m 8m signing bonus. Salary this year would be 4.5m guaranteed so his cash intake this year goes up 2.5m. His salaries the next 2 years will be 6m and 8.5m Cap looks like this: 2019: 4.5 (salary) + 2.67 (SB) + 3.935 (carry over bonus) = 11.1m. (Saves 2.3m this year) 2020: 6m + 2.67 (Sb) = 8.67. (5.34 dead money if retires or is cut) 2021: 8.5m + 2.67 (SB)= 11.17 cap (2.67 dead money) Is it worth the potential dead money next year to save 2.3m this year? Could be - also that’s just an example and it depends how friendly McCourty wants to get with the team. Something similar can be done with Gronk. Well McCourty is still good, PFF ranked him 11th, yet he's making top 5 safety money. I'd love to have the McCourty brothers back, but Devin needs to take a paycut and Jason would need to take less than he will get offered. I'd move on from both if it meant keeping Flowers. So yea I'd risk losing him, I don't want too, but his production just doesn't match his salary. He's a guy I'd talk extension with though. I'm open to a Clayborn extension, that makes a ton of sense. Aligns his production with his pay. He might have been great when looking at the percentage of plays. Yet overall his production doesn't match a 6 million cap hit either, 3.7 million isn't bad at all given his dead money. Still on my list though, you might need his money for Flowers. McCourty and Clayborn give you the money to pay Flowers and still have plenty to fill other holes. Gronk is kinda different he was awesome in 2017. Was it just injuries last year or is he done as an elite receiver? If he comes back I don't think you can mess with his contract. He's another guy I'd talk extension with. They can get creative and move money around. It's the smart play because we just don't know how many more years we have Brady for or when he has that big decline. Tom Brady is a huge one though. They could clear a massive amount if he wants to be team friendly. Say a million per game, 2 years 32 million, 16 million per year. Come on Tom, you and the wife are already worth over half a billion. He needs to get paid sure, but right now isn't it about legacy and more Championships? If you wanted to backload he could give us 10 million in space this year. McCourty is worth so much to the defense beyond his production and that’s vital to a football team. His speed hasn’t declined so I’m not too worried about a variance in his production. He’s going to be even more important this year with new coaches all over the defense. If you cut McCourty and Clayborn to pay for Flowers then you not only need to fill all the other needs, you’ve created 2 more. If you want to say you can replace Clayborn from within that’s fair to argue but McCourty you’d need to replace from the outside. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2019 14:36:32 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 28, 2019 15:48:34 GMT -5
Well McCourty is still good, PFF ranked him 11th, yet he's making top 5 safety money. I'd love to have the McCourty brothers back, but Devin needs to take a paycut and Jason would need to take less than he will get offered. I'd move on from both if it meant keeping Flowers. So yea I'd risk losing him, I don't want too, but his production just doesn't match his salary. He's a guy I'd talk extension with though. I'm open to a Clayborn extension, that makes a ton of sense. Aligns his production with his pay. He might have been great when looking at the percentage of plays. Yet overall his production doesn't match a 6 million cap hit either, 3.7 million isn't bad at all given his dead money. Still on my list though, you might need his money for Flowers. McCourty and Clayborn give you the money to pay Flowers and still have plenty to fill other holes. Gronk is kinda different he was awesome in 2017. Was it just injuries last year or is he done as an elite receiver? If he comes back I don't think you can mess with his contract. He's another guy I'd talk extension with. They can get creative and move money around. It's the smart play because we just don't know how many more years we have Brady for or when he has that big decline. Tom Brady is a huge one though. They could clear a massive amount if he wants to be team friendly. Say a million per game, 2 years 32 million, 16 million per year. Come on Tom, you and the wife are already worth over half a billion. He needs to get paid sure, but right now isn't it about legacy and more Championships? If you wanted to backload he could give us 10 million in space this year. McCourty is worth so much to the defense beyond his production and that’s vital to a football team. His speed hasn’t declined so I’m not too worried about a variance in his production. He’s going to be even more important this year with new coaches all over the defense. If you cut McCourty and Clayborn to pay for Flowers then you not only need to fill all the other needs, you’ve created 2 more. If you want to say you can replace Clayborn from within that’s fair to argue but McCourty you’d need to replace from the outside. What's harder to replace a #1 DE that can impact games or a good FS/back up DE? You have Harmon, could convert a DB like what you did with McCourty or draft a guy. Back up DEs we have great depth and they are easy to draft. It's not all about the number of needs, it's how hard are they to replace? The reason DE's get paid is they aren't easy to replace. Where we pick you can't expect to draft a #1 DE for next year. You can easily get draft a safety and back up DE though. Patriots way don't overpay guys, it's all about what's best for the team and better to move on a year early than a year too late. I love the guy, but after Allen who's getting cut or heavily restructured McCourty has the worst cap hit versus production. He's not close to being worth almost 13.5 million cap number he has. In a lot of way the contract was designed to cut him, restructure or do an extension. His dead money went from 15.4 million last year to 3.9 million this year. Even Sportrac lists 2019 as a potential out year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2019 19:29:10 GMT -5
McCourty is worth so much to the defense beyond his production and that’s vital to a football team. His speed hasn’t declined so I’m not too worried about a variance in his production. He’s going to be even more important this year with new coaches all over the defense. If you cut McCourty and Clayborn to pay for Flowers then you not only need to fill all the other needs, you’ve created 2 more. If you want to say you can replace Clayborn from within that’s fair to argue but McCourty you’d need to replace from the outside. What's harder to replace a #1 DE that can impact games or a good FS/back up DE? You have Harmon, could convert a DB like what you did with McCourty or draft a guy. Back up DEs we have great depth and they are easy to draft. It's not all about the number of needs, it's how hard are they to replace? The reason DE's get paid is they aren't easy to replace. Where we pick you can't expect to draft a #1 DE for next year. You can easily get draft a safety and back up DE though. Patriots way don't overpay guys, it's all about what's best for the team and better to move on a year early than a year too late. I love the guy, but after Allen who's getting cut or heavily restructured McCourty has the worst cap hit versus production. He's not close to being worth almost 13.5 million cap number he has. In a lot of way the contract was designed to cut him, restructure or do an extension. His dead money went from 15.4 million last year to 3.9 million this year. Even Sportrac lists 2019 as a potential out year. To be clear, I want Flowers back too, but I’m not a back at all costs guy with him. They’ve done pretty well over the years and never paid a guy at that position top dollar. He is a perfect fit here but you can only go so far. I hear you on McCourty and this hears cap hit being too high, but I don’t think cutting him will be necessary. I’d cut Hightower and take the 5m dead cap and 6m savings before I’d cut McCourty. I know Hightower had a really good Super Bowl and part of his appeal is his play in big games but he blew against KC and wasn’t anything worth nothing vs the Chargers. Check out his grades by week. Overall he graded as the 51st linebacker.   |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 28, 2019 20:07:58 GMT -5
I know offensive line isn’t seem as huge need but I’m in the minority who thinks it is worthy of using a high pick on. I’d love to get Lindstrom in the second round - probably have to trade up. He’s probably a guard but has tackle experience and is learning to snap. He’d be great to add as a depth piece and Thuney replacement. I don’t see a Thuney extension as likely given how he’s improved every year and is was already a top 10 guard last season. They can’t pay two guards that type of money but the offensive line is so damn important and gets moreso each year for Brady. The Patriots are always doing things we don’t expect so watch them take Lindstrol and Pipkins in rounds 2 and 3 a Guard and a Tackle... www.patriots.com/news/lindstrom-wants-to-continue-bc-s-traditionAdd: worth nothing the Patriots have already met with a bunch of tackles projected between rounds 1 and 3. Risner/Howard/Little |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 1, 2019 8:32:56 GMT -5
Pro football focus has their precombine top 50. Not sure if it’s paywall or not, but an interesting list. www.profootballfocus.com/news/2019-nfl-draft-board-the-pre-combine-top-50Some Patriot possibilities: 11. JERRY TILLERY, DI, NOTRE DAME Tillery tied Williams for the highest pass-rushing grade among interior d-linemen in college football. Tillery’s sack totals don’t tell the whole story as he was a dominant week in and week out. 19. DALTON RISNER, OT, KANSAS STATE Risner started all four seasons at Kansas State and his career-low grade was 87.9 overall. ***he met with Pats. Don’t be shocked if an OL is taken in rd 1. I doubt it will happen but It wouldn’t shock me. 29. DEXTER LAWRENCE, DI, CLEMSON 340-plus pound nose tackles are going the way of the Dodo in the NFL, but Lawrence is a pretty ridiculous athlete for his size. He had the 12th-best pass-rushing grade among interior players in all college football. 34. NASIR ADDERLEY, S, DELAWARE We don’t have full data on Adderley yet, but his range and speed were evident at the Senior Bowl practices. *** I wanted him rd 2 but this seems unlikely as his stock sores. 39. GREG LITTLE, OT, OLE MISS Over the past two seasons, Little allowed 26 total pressures on 993 pass-blocking snaps. **met with Pats 46. TE’VON CONEY, LB, NOTRE DAME Coney had the fourth-highest coverage grade among eligible linebackers while also adding value as a pass-rusher with 20 pressures on just 76 pass-rushing snaps last year. ***3rd rounder to me - the way they trade around he could be possible early mid third. 50. MAX SCHARPING, OT, NORTHERN ILLINOIS The four-year starter had pass protection grades above 87.0 every season of his career. *** 3rd rounder? His tall (6’5) and athletic just how we like our tackles.... |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 1, 2019 9:08:37 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Mar 1, 2019 10:17:25 GMT -5
Looks like Brandon Graham is staying with the Eagles on a 3-year deal coming in between 12 and 14 per year from Ian Rappaport (among others). Guarantee unknown.
Probably sets the floor for Flowers
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 1, 2019 11:06:31 GMT -5
Looks like Brandon Graham is staying with the Eagles on a 3-year deal coming in between 12 and 14 per year from Ian Rappaport (among others). Guarantee unknown. Probably sets the floor for Flowers Let’s hope it’s 12 because if not kiss flowers Goodbye Add: in reality it’s going to come down to how bad does he want to be here. Bill won’t give him top dollar but he will offer him a lot of money. Will he take a bit less to be on a constant contender or does he want top dollar? |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 1, 2019 11:54:58 GMT -5
The Pats have 12 picks this year. Do you really think 12 rookies will make the team? BB knows that's impossible, so trading some of the picks for either veteran players and/or future picks will be his game plan. He might not even keep his 1st round pick, depending who is available at 32. He has enough draft capital to do anything he wants. If I was the rest of the league, I would be afraid. Belichick's unparalleled job security allows him to be patient and trade for future picks in a way new coaches can't afford to do, because they have to turn things around quickly. Some years it doesn't work out, like last year Bill traded a 2018 second for a 2019 second that will end up being a worse pick, but most of the time, they're able to get better future picks for trading out of a slot where none of their guys are there in that range anyway. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 1, 2019 11:56:45 GMT -5
Looks like Brandon Graham is staying with the Eagles on a 3-year deal coming in between 12 and 14 per year from Ian Rappaport (among others). Guarantee unknown. Probably sets the floor for Flowers Let’s hope it’s 12 because if not kiss flowers Goodbye Add: in reality it’s going to come down to how bad does he want to be here. Bill won’t give him top dollar but he will offer him a lot of money. Will he take a bit less to be on a constant contender or does he want top dollar? I've always expected him to leave. Buying high is just not Bill's style. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 1, 2019 11:59:01 GMT -5
Patriots always meet with anyone they like doesn't mean they plan on drafting them. They met with Baker Mayfield last year as a perfect example. Historically they pick more players they don't publicly meet with than they do. Fun talking about it and they will end up picking so of those guys. Last year out of 84 players they had meeting with only Michel was a pick. Some years it was slightly higher, but frankly if they are letting everyone know it's likely they aren't drafting the player.
I fully expect one or two offensive linemen. It's just what they do, yet I'd be really shocked if it was a first round guy. I'd be slightly less shocked if it was second round also. Was thinking more like rounds 3-5. As an example a guy like Alex Bars got injured so his stocked tumbled, yet rated 21st overall before his injury. Can play guard and OT. Good against the pass and run blocking. He's projected as a late round pick and you can stash him on the IR all year because of his injury. Wouldn't be surprised to see them target a few guys like him. With so many picks it will make it easy to keep the players.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 1, 2019 12:09:44 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 1, 2019 12:20:22 GMT -5
Considering you meet with way more players than you can draft and you can’t meet with everyone you’re interested in, it’s obviously the case that most of the guy you meet with won’t get drafted. It helps them gather information. The Patriots have a lot stricter standard for a players mental make up than most teams so it stands to reason they eliminate a lot of guys thru these talks. They’ve met with a lot of linemen thus far, I don’t think that’s to try and fool other teams. Quite frankly, other teams aren’t paying much attention to who’s meeting with who nor should they.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 1, 2019 12:23:14 GMT -5
Let’s hope it’s 12 because if not kiss flowers Goodbye Add: in reality it’s going to come down to how bad does he want to be here. Bill won’t give him top dollar but he will offer him a lot of money. Will he take a bit less to be on a constant contender or does he want top dollar? I've always expected him to leave. Buying high is just not Bill's style. No different than McCourty or Hightower. They actually have a good record of resigning their top guys on defense if they let them reach free agency. The ones with no chance usually get traded like Jones, Seymour and Collins. Flowers would be the top defender they just let since who? Butler was good, but he wasn't close to Flowers. All depends what his deal is, but I don't see buying high if he's around 15 million. He's a lot better overall player then some of those guys that put up monster sack totals and get paid 20 million plus. He was just a monster reason why Ryan and Goff folded in the Superbowls. Plays the run and pass, while also being able to move inside. He's young and keeps getting better. |
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