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2019 Patriots Offseason Thread
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 15, 2019 19:55:09 GMT -5
I don't think many players come in under a million these days.
Pats need a punter and a kicker. Both could be tough to resign.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2019 23:00:07 GMT -5
Few points Tyler Boyd is a good name/target, yet why trade him if your the Bengals? If they did it won't be cheap. Almost think he's a trade target at the deadline maybe, would be a lot cheaper and gives the new coach a better chance.
Laquon Treadwell is an interesting target if he's dirt cheap.
I have kinda flipped on Fant. I'd consider him at 32, he's a special athlete. Smith I'm still so-so on in the first and wouldn't do it. Dawson Knox might be a receiving TE sleeper.
Do you look at trading Jones? If you wanted a WR like Boyd he might be the type of player that could make that happen. Deepest position on team, deep draft class and we seem to find guys every year now. I love the guy but it's something to think about.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2019 6:19:22 GMT -5
Just want to reiterate that could be wrong; it’s just different from original reports and it’s odd something hasn’t been done by now. They have a plan and plans behind their plans. It takes 2 to tango on a contract tho and you can plan all you want but if the player who keeps going to Super Bowls wants his money what can you do? Who are you talking about Brady? You can give him his money and still reduce the cap number. Nevermind unless you have new information playing the what if card with Brady is stupid. We know who he is and what he'll do. Why does it matter when it happens? With current cap rules you can sign just about anyone you'll be able to afford. You know rule of 51, fact draft money, undrafted guys, and in season moves money isn't needed for months. If your talking about other players like McCourty it's simple, they'll just cut him. Yet that takes time, wait out market till most money is gone and he has fewer options. Then make your move. Patriots don't play games, if your number is to high reduce it or your gone. Chill man, get off the defensive - we were just talking about WHEN Brady can redo his contract. There’s mixed reports on if it can be now or if it has to wait until August. They aren’t going to cut McCourty. Zero chance of that... ok... 2%. He’s got a big cap hit but his 9m salary really isn’t him being over paid by much... Weddle is the one guy who you can point to and say “we should have cut McCourty and signed him instead to save money”. But Weddle isn’t as good is older and who’s to say you’d even be able to sign him? Collins, Joyner, Matthieu and Thomas all got big money. McCourty’s “playmaking” numbers have gone down the last couple years but they’ve changed his role since Gilmore came. Yes, his play has been off a bit, but it’s not due to an erosion in skills. He’s always been a bit up and down with his play. It just ranges from very good to elite. He’s been more in the very good range the last 2 years. His speed is just as good as it always has been so there’s no reason to think he’s lost a step. He also quarterbacks the defensive backfield which has had new and/or young players the last couple years but he gets everyone where they need to be. The locker room presence speaks for itself, plus he gets us his brother at a discount. The other thing about McCourty, Gronk and maybe Hightower playing out these contracts is it shows players they are real contracts and not funny money deals which doesn’t hurt in negotiations with other players. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2019 6:30:43 GMT -5
Do you look at trading Jones? If you wanted a WR like Boyd he might be the type of player that could make that happen. Deepest position on team, deep draft class and we seem to find guys every year now. I love the guy but it's something to think about. If he’s available, then I’d be using draft capital to get him not Jones, but it’s an interesting idea. My guess is the Bengals will be rebuilding if they trade him and will want draft picks versus a slot corner who’s about to get expensive. I also don’t want to touch that secondary but would if you had to. Just wouldn’t be my first choice. I know Cooper cost a first but he had a season and a half on his deal. I’d trade a second for Boyd and his one year. Maybe add a pick swap in we give a 4th and get a 5th back. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2019 8:04:58 GMT -5
I don't think many players come in under a million these days. Pats need a punter and a kicker. Both could be tough to resign. I can’t believe how much they gave Bolden... It’s not like it’s a huge contract but for a guy they’ve cut each of the last 2 years and only given the minimum too it’s weird. What’s changed? I really want to see the Pennel money. Love that signing right now but want to see the money. Him and Guy are a really good combo in the middle. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2019 9:33:50 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 16, 2019 10:27:07 GMT -5
I don't think many players come in under a million these days. Pats need a punter and a kicker. Both could be tough to resign. I can’t believe how much they gave Bolden... It’s not like it’s a huge contract but for a guy they’ve cut each of the last 2 years and only given the minimum too it’s weird. What’s changed? I really want to see the Pennel money. Love that signing right now but want to see the money. Him and Guy are a really good combo in the middle. Yeah, the Boston sports media love to lavish praise on the team for their special teams focus but our special teams cost us massively in 2015 and some years appears to be league average anyway... can’t question Bill at this point but it is what it is. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 16, 2019 10:42:11 GMT -5
Special teams was a major factor in winning the super bowl this past year. 3 out of 5 Allen's punts were downed inside the 10. I know it's only one game, but one game matters in football (re: Denver snow game in 2015).
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Patriots draft Terry Mclaurin in the second round. He's a burgeoning receiver, good route runner and blocker, and awesome special teams player with real speed.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 16, 2019 10:44:58 GMT -5
True, for a large part of the super bowl, our punter was one of the best performers on the team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2019 12:16:59 GMT -5
Special teams was a major factor in winning the super bowl this past year. 3 out of 5 Allen's punts were downed inside the 10. I know it's only one game, but one game matters in football (re: Denver snow game in 2015). I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Patriots draft Terry Mclaurin in the second round. He's a burgeoning receiver, good route runner and blocker, and awesome special teams player with real speed. Funny thing about last years special teams is they they kind of sucked early (for them) then they added McClellen off the street from Baltimore and everything clicked. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2019 13:48:47 GMT -5
Who are you talking about Brady? You can give him his money and still reduce the cap number. Nevermind unless you have new information playing the what if card with Brady is stupid. We know who he is and what he'll do. Why does it matter when it happens? With current cap rules you can sign just about anyone you'll be able to afford. You know rule of 51, fact draft money, undrafted guys, and in season moves money isn't needed for months. If your talking about other players like McCourty it's simple, they'll just cut him. Yet that takes time, wait out market till most money is gone and he has fewer options. Then make your move. Patriots don't play games, if your number is to high reduce it or your gone. Chill man, get off the defensive - we were just talking about WHEN Brady can redo his contract. There’s mixed reports on if it can be now or if it has to wait until August. They aren’t going to cut McCourty. Zero chance of that... ok... 2%. He’s got a big cap hit but his 9m salary really isn’t him being over paid by much... Weddle is the one guy who you can point to and say “we should have cut McCourty and signed him instead to save money”. But Weddle isn’t as good is older and who’s to say you’d even be able to sign him? Collins, Joyner, Matthieu and Thomas all got big money. McCourty’s “playmaking” numbers have gone down the last couple years but they’ve changed his role since Gilmore came. Yes, his play has been off a bit, but it’s not due to an erosion in skills. He’s always been a bit up and down with his play. It just ranges from very good to elite. He’s been more in the very good range the last 2 years. His speed is just as good as it always has been so there’s no reason to think he’s lost a step. He also quarterbacks the defensive backfield which has had new and/or young players the last couple years but he gets everyone where they need to be. The locker room presence speaks for itself, plus he gets us his brother at a discount. The other thing about McCourty, Gronk and maybe Hightower playing out these contracts is it shows players they are real contracts and not funny money deals which doesn’t hurt in negotiations with other players. Stop trying to make crap up. I didn't say anything about when Brady can redo it, just your opinions as to why he hasn't which are totally untrue. It isn't unusual it hasn't been done by now, which your making it seem like it is. Perfect example was it was done in August last year. Zero reports he won't do it, when he almost always does it, just debates when it will happen. So why are you acting like he might not do it? Now when Legacy and all-time records are his goal he's not going to redo his contract over money? When you know it doesn't mean he'll get less? You know any deal to lower his cap number will give him more guaranteed money or more upfront money. You have a Pff subscription right? Well Weddle was 10th and McCourty was 11th last year per what I'm seeing. His cap number of 13.5 million is crazy. With a guy like Berry getting cut, who has a higher number? His play doesn't come close to matching his number. He's still a good solid player, but that elite guy is gone and it has nothing to do with Gilmore. Elite CBs that can play on an Island make FS jobs easier, allow them to gamble more and make more plays not less. He's solid, a good player still, but his cap number is crazy. It's got to be top 3 right now and he's not even a top 10 guy at his position. They don't want to cut him, but they will work on that number. History has shown us you don't just get handouts from the Patriots. Even the all-time guys like Welker and Wilfork took the right deals or paycuts or they were gone. I'm sure the goal is an extension, that makes 100% sense for both sides. Yet if wants to dig his feet in, I'm not doing anything type crap the chance's he gone are rather high. Frankly I think part of him talking about retirement was he knew this was coming. You are 100% correct the Patriots like to have players playout their deals and not have dead cap money. Yet they never just pay guys more than they are worth. The new deals show how crazy his deal is frankly. They design these deals like this, so the team has leverage and can move on or redo the deal. The Patriots never intended to pay McCourty that much or have him count that much against the cap, unless by some crazy way he was still an elite guy making what he should. Well he isn't. Frankly guys like Gilmore, our pass rush, and overall greatly improved defense have helped hide his decline. At his cap number and 9.5 million in salary you need to be elite like Gilmore making plays that greatly impact the game. RJP where is the history of Patriots keeping and paying guys when their cap numbers don't match their play on the field? They forced Wilfork to redo his contract, an all-time great Patriot because his number was too high. It's what they do. Football contracts normally aren't designed to be be payed out in full. That last year is usually a redo the deal, get cut or do an extension. Just look at Brady, even his final year is really high and hence why they need to redo it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2019 14:06:54 GMT -5
Special teams was a major factor in winning the super bowl this past year. 3 out of 5 Allen's punts were downed inside the 10. I know it's only one game, but one game matters in football (re: Denver snow game in 2015). I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Patriots draft Terry Mclaurin in the second round. He's a burgeoning receiver, good route runner and blocker, and awesome special teams player with real speed. Terry McLaurin checks a lot of boxes that is for sure. Yet second round seems way high for him in this class. Seen as a late 3rd to even 5-6 round guy by some people. Even DTP who has him late third calls him raw, needs to work on route running and eliminating drops. Does think he'll be better in the pro's just needs more time to develop. You know Bill loves the two time team captain and great special teams though. McLaurin rankings in WR group 17, 18, and 22. It's a crazy deep group. The funny thing about Allen is he wasn't very good at those inside the 20 punts for a large chunk of the year. His numbers were way down and then bam he was clutch. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2019 14:12:51 GMT -5
Well we know why they paid Bolden, Brady seems to love the guy. That seems like a crazy deal. You could have resigned our punter or that's half the money it would take to sign our kicker. Yet if it makes Brady happy OK, even if he's overpaid by a million plus.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2019 15:20:34 GMT -5
Waddle signing with the Bills. Pats need to find a swing T elsewhere.
Wanted him back but it may be better to draft someone with starter upside to eventually take over for Cannon.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 16, 2019 18:15:20 GMT -5
Special teams was a major factor in winning the super bowl this past year. 3 out of 5 Allen's punts were downed inside the 10. I know it's only one game, but one game matters in football (re: Denver snow game in 2015). I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Patriots draft Terry Mclaurin in the second round. He's a burgeoning receiver, good route runner and blocker, and awesome special teams player with real speed. Terry McLaurin checks a lot of boxes that is for sure. Yet second round seems way high for him in this class. Seen as a late 3rd to even 5-6 round guy by some people. Even DTP who has him late third calls him raw, needs to work on route running and eliminating drops. Does think he'll be better in the pro's just needs more time to develop. You know Bill loves the two time team captain and great special teams though. McLaurin rankings in WR group 17, 18, and 22. It's a crazy deep group. The funny thing about Allen is he wasn't very good at those inside the 20 punts for a large chunk of the year. His numbers were way down and then bam he was clutch. Yeh i’m not sure where you’re getting he needs work on his route running... mobile.twitter.com/_SteveFrederick/status/1088517453523628033 |
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Post by costpet on Mar 16, 2019 18:44:09 GMT -5
All I know is this salary cap thing is really hurting them. They can’t sign anyone really good. They’re even having trouble signing their kickers, who are usually the cheapest to sign. They had better hit a few home runs in the draft or just making the playoffs could be difficult.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2019 20:01:39 GMT -5
Chill man, get off the defensive - we were just talking about WHEN Brady can redo his contract. There’s mixed reports on if it can be now or if it has to wait until August. They aren’t going to cut McCourty. Zero chance of that... ok... 2%. He’s got a big cap hit but his 9m salary really isn’t him being over paid by much... Weddle is the one guy who you can point to and say “we should have cut McCourty and signed him instead to save money”. But Weddle isn’t as good is older and who’s to say you’d even be able to sign him? Collins, Joyner, Matthieu and Thomas all got big money. McCourty’s “playmaking” numbers have gone down the last couple years but they’ve changed his role since Gilmore came. Yes, his play has been off a bit, but it’s not due to an erosion in skills. He’s always been a bit up and down with his play. It just ranges from very good to elite. He’s been more in the very good range the last 2 years. His speed is just as good as it always has been so there’s no reason to think he’s lost a step. He also quarterbacks the defensive backfield which has had new and/or young players the last couple years but he gets everyone where they need to be. The locker room presence speaks for itself, plus he gets us his brother at a discount. The other thing about McCourty, Gronk and maybe Hightower playing out these contracts is it shows players they are real contracts and not funny money deals which doesn’t hurt in negotiations with other players. Stop trying to make crap up. I didn't say anything about when Brady can redo it, just your opinions as to why he hasn't which are totally untrue. It isn't unusual it hasn't been done by now, which your making it seem like it is. Perfect example was it was done in August last year. Zero reports he won't do it, when he almost always does it, just debates when it will happen. So why are you acting like he might not do it? Now when Legacy and all-time records are his goal he's not going to redo his contract over money? When you know it doesn't mean he'll get less? You know any deal to lower his cap number will give him more guaranteed money or more upfront money. Ok, I think you’re misunderstanding the conversation. Me and Tex were talking about when Brady can per the rules. The only question we had is when can he restructure not if he will. I simply said I find it odd he hasn’t yet if he can since they need the money and all his restructures to free up money have been before free agency with the exception of 1 that was when they traded for Moss. Last August is a crappy example because it wasn’t a restructure to free up money. We all agree he’s signing an extension the only question is when can he do it per league rules. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 17, 2019 4:03:20 GMT -5
All I know is this salary cap thing is really hurting them. They can’t sign anyone really good. They’re even having trouble signing their kickers, who are usually the cheapest to sign. They had better hit a few home runs in the draft or just making the playoffs could be difficult. Is this meant as sarcasm? |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 17, 2019 12:37:13 GMT -5
I don't think many players come in under a million these days. Pats need a punter and a kicker. Both could be tough to resign. I can’t believe how much they gave Bolden... It’s not like it’s a huge contract but for a guy they’ve cut each of the last 2 years and only given the minimum too it’s weird. What’s changed? I really want to see the Pennel money. Love that signing right now but want to see the money. Him and Guy are a really good combo in the middle. Agreed on the Bolden deal. I figured 1.75 per or something close but that much is weird given the cuts. BB must really want him back. I think Pennel is around 2 years 7.5 which would be a steal IMO. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 17, 2019 12:51:43 GMT -5
Donald Penn got cut in Oakland. If he wanted to get paid he should come to NE for a year on the cheap and let Dante turn him into the highest paid tackle in football.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 17, 2019 16:18:35 GMT -5
Donald Penn got cut in Oakland. If he wanted to get paid he should come to NE for a year on the cheap and let Dante turn him into the highest paid tackle in football. At 35 it might be a bit late for that. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 17, 2019 19:54:53 GMT -5
All I know is this salary cap thing is really hurting them. They can’t sign anyone really good. They’re even having trouble signing their kickers, who are usually the cheapest to sign. They had better hit a few home runs in the draft or just making the playoffs could be difficult. You know that the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills are in their division, right? |
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Post by costpet on Mar 18, 2019 6:44:09 GMT -5
Got me there.
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Post by costpet on Mar 18, 2019 8:33:07 GMT -5
SI posted the salary cap space for each team as of today. The Pats have the second lowest in the league at 5.5 million. The Falcons have the least. The Colts have the most at 77 million. Of course that could change if Gronkowski retires or a Brady restructuring. But keep in mind they still need room for all those draft choices. BB is the best, but he’ll still need to be creative.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 18, 2019 8:41:37 GMT -5
SI posted the salary cap space for each team as of today. The Pats have the second lowest in the league at 5.5 million. The Falcons have the least. The Colts have the most at 77 million. Of course that could change if Gronkowski retires or a Brady restructuring. But keep in mind they still need room for all those draft choices. BB is the best, but he’ll still need to be creative. Yeah, they really do need to nail this draft. I don't worry about the AFC East, but I do think KC is not far off from being a real force in the AFC. Mahomes is great and I think he has better days ahead of him. |
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