2019 Patriots Offseason Thread

This made me laugh

You realize I just posted a tweet with no commentary bc it was relevant to the conversation right? Interesting it came out after that talk. Don’t read my opinions into it. I personally don’t want the guy.

Phil’s response was funny tho because you made the assumption the guy didn’t want tape because his opinion differed from “your guys”. Then said “you can’t overlook that.”

That’s why Brady lasted until the 6th round. I’ m guessing some of those mags didn’t even have him on the board. Gronkowski a 2nd round pick. Certainly not a 1st rounder.

I hope those mags influence the other GMs. Do you think BB reads them, too?

Save your money. Just read all those moc drafts on the internet. It’s an exercise in folly.

Looks like most of this saving is about to go to Goskowski, which while boring is necessary.

It wasn't directed at just you, as Phil had used a tweet to try and show route running ability before that. At the same time lets not act like out of the 1,000 of tweets on players you didn't post that one for a certain reason.

I said he must not have watched much tape and he didn't. His mock literally shows the short highlight tapes he's using. You can literally look at his notes. He's watching these guys at things like the combine and pro-days and then watching highlight tapes to do his rankings. Which is backwards from what every good scout does. He's not a scout and didn't watch all the tape because everyone that did all say the samething. Some guys are hard, scouts don't agree. A guy like Christian Sam last year comes to mind, he was all over the place based on his tape. Everyone agrees on Terry McLaurin tape though. So yea it's rather easy to tell in three seconds if a guy actually watched all of the tape and did a good scouting report or did a hot take. Terry McLaurin tape is easy to digest as they all agree. A guy like Clayton Thorson now that is a different story, he's all over the place. They don't come close to agreeing on him.

I love Anthony Nelson. I’m worried a team in the 2nd round/early 3rd does too. This guy checks all the boxes. I would take him over every edge in this draft besides Bosa and maybe Ferrell. Honestly, I wouldn’t be upset if the Patriots used their 1st on him.

I know, you don’t have to tell me that’s a reach for him. But the Patriots don’t draft like other teams. I remember when they drafted Mankins, mocks had projected him to NE in the 2nd round. Similar story on Vollmer. NE doesnt allow the mock draft consensus to affect their rankings on players.

Edit: forgot about Josh Allen

Correct, because it directly related to a conversation the two of you just had.

And my apologies for misunderstanding your use of “you guys” to include just Phil.

 The low BP # is related to the long arms. I have really long arms and could never bench much at all compared to the weight I could use in pulling exorcises. Long arms are a curse for benching but great for the game. That is a great 3 cone though.

 The more I look at this draft and the depth at positions of need the more hopeful I am the Pats will really fill out their roster.

Oline, DL, TE, WR and maybe a QB. Simmons falling would be a classic BB pick. 

In regards to Gilmore do you think they would be comfortable enough with his age to extend him and push the cap # down a bit for those years?

It might be part of the reason, but it's not like he has the longest arms ever either. Chandler Jones had much longer arms 35.5 and did 22 reps weighing less than Nelson did. You kinda see it in Nelson numbers against the run and his sack conversion rate that RJP posted. He's one of the weakest guys on the DL in this draft, with everyone below him being 250 pounds. He kinda screams 3-4 OLB no? I just worry about that because 18 reps is crazy low for a big DE and even Chandler Jones wasn't great against the run. 

I don't know. It all depends how Gilmore keeps performing . It just seems crazy to push the second highest cap number on the team up 3 million per in future seasons as he gets older. 10% of the cap is no joke, so they might have to do something. I just don't get why it wasn't Brady. That is by far the easiest one and these is zero reason not to do it. Plus you have McCourty who has a crazy high number. Let's assume Brady's deal isn't done for a reason that doesn't involve him sking and you need money right now. Not even sure if your only signing a kicker you need money right now, but ok. I'd go to McCourty offer a nice 3 year extension that increased his money in pocket this year, yet greatly reduced his cap number. I don't see the downside frankly. Guys his age don't get massive free agent contacts. He doesn't want to play ball I'd release him. That seems better than making Gilmores numbers crazy. Unless this is Brady's last year, even then it makes zero sense for him to not redo his deal. So yea I just don't get it. Gilmore is setting himself up to be cut if his play drops. I don't like that, he's the heart of that secondary not McCourty who frankly hasn't been that impressive recently.

The Patriots will almost always trade a first this year for a 2nd this year and future first. Teams just need to offer it. We've already had the Browns claim only 15 players have first round grades for them this year. I kinda think that is BS to make the OBJ trade look better. Yet I keep seeing 18 to 22 at a lot of places. So good chance no player at 32 has a first round grade for the Patriots, but you never know with them. Everyone does agree the strength of the draft is the 2nd and 3rd rounds and you see that scouting the players.

So yea trade down is always a great guess with the Patriots. They almost always want to, yet they can't always find the right deals. I'm going to say no trade and that they might gamble. The Michel pick kinda showed as Brady gets older they changed things up and it worked perfectly. Might not be a bad time to slightly overdraft a guy at a position with a huge need.

The wild card being QB also. I'm torn on a guy like Daniel Jones. Not sure it's close to great value, but QBs get overdrafted every year. That 5th year option is massive for a QB and he checks a ton of boxes. Nevermind Josh Rosen.

I heard that same thing about how the Browns perceived this draft. It is true that draft picks have become overvalued in many ways. It’s become harderto trade down, whereas 10 years ago the patriots would trade their first round pick for a second this year and a first next! Those were the days..

I think the best value right now is to trade for proven commodities on rookie contracts, trade up for talent in the draft, and/or draft a starting qb.

I’m kind of intrigued by Jones as well. I think more teams need to treat their rookie qbs like Russell Wilson and Tom Brady were treated early on. Have a veteran starter. If the young guy takes over, make it easy on him. Screens, checkdowns and a run heavy offense. I could totally see Jones flourishing in a system like that. He makes good pre snap reads. I like his footwork and he’s accurate even though he doesn’t always throw from a good base. When I first watched his Clemson tape I thought “this guys pretty good even though he is severely overmatched.” Then all the experts started dinging him up on arm strength and personality. But I went back and watched the Va Tech game and thought he looked good. His receivers dropped some well placed deep balls.

Just so you know this is what the Patriots compete against. This may be the worst quote I’ve ever heard from a GM.

"When we look at players we look at talent," Williams said of Collins' signing, per NBC Sports Washington's JP Finlay. "It's up to the defensive coordinator and the defensive back coaches to scheme him up. We're not in the room with the scheme. I don't know exactly what the scheme is."