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2019 Patriots Offseason Thread
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 5, 2019 17:33:55 GMT -5
What would you pay to be able sit in the Pats draft room and listen while BB and the scouts decide their next picks? I'd pony up $3000. I wouldn’t but it would be great The image I imagine is a lot of Bill grumbling and talking in a monotone voice and a small draft board. A lot of “nobody works harder,” etc. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 7, 2019 10:41:19 GMT -5
patriotswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/06/patriots-ewu-nsimba-webster/Seems like a perfect 7th round or undrafted target. Got me looking at Braxton Berrios, about same size, same 40, same elite 3 cone drill time. Then got me looking at Andy Isabella, who is the same size, yet a little faster, but lesser 3 cone times and 20 yard shuttle. Now he had great production, yet at UMass who plays a lesser schedule and doesn't have anywhere near the talent level of a Miami. So is Isabella really that much better? Or was he just the only option on a passing attack playing lesser competition? I only ask because similar guys go 5th to 7th round and he's up to 2nd and 3rd in current mocks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 7, 2019 11:53:56 GMT -5
www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/13/18262627/nfl-free-agents-2019-best-available-new-league-yearSome rather good free agents still unsigned and it's like the NFL is in vacation. We're up one on the comp picks, so we can still add another guy for good money and not loose those two thirds. Nevermind guys like Danny Shelton will sign somewhere for what should be ok money. Yet it does limit the amount of guys you can sign if they are going to count in the comp rankings. Bunch of good DTs left, yet it's an epic draft class. Will be interesting to see what Bill does. We have to fill some holes before or during the draft you'd think. We can't expect the draft to fill our needs at WR, TE, OT, DT, and even DE though that is much smaller. Any thoughts on bringing back Cameron Fleming? Nothing special, yet he's a veteran that knows the system. We've won a lot of games with him starting at left and right tackle. He's also likely a minimum salary guy that shouldn't count towards comp picks.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 8, 2019 7:20:15 GMT -5
Any thoughts on bringing back Cameron Fleming? Nothing special, yet he's a veteran that knows the system. We've won a lot of games with him starting at left and right tackle. He's also likely a minimum salary guy that shouldn't count towards comp picks. Fleming and a developmental pick sounds about right to me. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 8, 2019 8:17:15 GMT -5
Fleming re-signed with Dallas on March 13 (2 years, 8.5 Mn)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2019 9:32:22 GMT -5
Well SB Nations available free agent list dated April 4th is crap then! Good for Fleming that's a good contract, very surprised after his PFF grade was so low.
Not the biggest fan of going after another OT early, but if they can't find a good veteran that could start you might be forced to do just that. Someone like Alex Bars would be good emergency depth maybe later in the season, but he might not even be 100% for training camp. Right now they have basically nothing behind our two starters. One gets injured a lot and is getting older, the other is basically a rookie who just missed the year due to injury. You have to get good depth with an old Brady!
Come on Patriots make some moves, the draft is getting close!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 8, 2019 12:30:31 GMT -5
A few years back, I wrote on the site about how the Pats' strategy of trading down had the effect of optimizing the overall value of their draft picks. At the time I linked to the seminal paper about the economics of that strategy - The Loser's Curse. To my shock, and more than a little awe, one of the authors - Richard Thaler - was awarded the Nobel prize in economics in 2017. Fast forward, and the word has finally gotten out (NFL owners appear to be as slow on the take as their MLB counterparts). Here's a nice analysis from The Ringer on where the Arizona Cardinals appear to be headed, and it's right in the direction of Foxboro. This year, as in many years past, the Patriots have a truckload of mid to lower round picks. Just Bill being Bill - he is what he is. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2019 16:02:12 GMT -5
patriotswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/06/patriots-ewu-nsimba-webster/Seems like a perfect 7th round or undrafted target. Got me looking at Braxton Berrios, about same size, same 40, same elite 3 cone drill time. Then got me looking at Andy Isabella, who is the same size, yet a little faster, but lesser 3 cone times and 20 yard shuttle. Now he had great production, yet at UMass who plays a lesser schedule and doesn't have anywhere near the talent level of a Miami. So is Isabella really that much better? Or was he just the only option on a passing attack playing lesser competition? I only ask because similar guys go 5th to 7th round and he's up to 2nd and 3rd in current mocks. One thing is Isabella’s best game was against Georgia... flip side they got blown out so is that why? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2019 16:35:59 GMT -5
patriotswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/06/patriots-ewu-nsimba-webster/Seems like a perfect 7th round or undrafted target. Got me looking at Braxton Berrios, about same size, same 40, same elite 3 cone drill time. Then got me looking at Andy Isabella, who is the same size, yet a little faster, but lesser 3 cone times and 20 yard shuttle. Now he had great production, yet at UMass who plays a lesser schedule and doesn't have anywhere near the talent level of a Miami. So is Isabella really that much better? Or was he just the only option on a passing attack playing lesser competition? I only ask because similar guys go 5th to 7th round and he's up to 2nd and 3rd in current mocks. One thing is Isabella’s best game was against Georgia... flip side they got blown out so is that why? His two TDs came after they were down 59-13, starting with the last play of the third quarter. I didn't watch the game, but wouldn't you think Georgia has it's 2nd stringers in the game at that point? Notre Dame would have. Those two plays account for 120 yards and his two TDs. The big thing for him though is can he still be a down field threat in the NFL? It's not easy for really small guys to do that in the NFL. Just look at Dorsett. He's not a big make guys miss type of player and he doesn't have some crazy vertical and a big catch radius. He's not a Cooks type guy that makes highlight catches. I really like him, but it's almost like he's becoming overvalued with Mocks starting to have him go in the second round. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2019 17:02:34 GMT -5
A few years back, I wrote on the site about how the Pats' strategy of trading down had the effect of optimizing the overall value of their draft picks. At the time I linked to the seminal paper about the economics of that strategy - The Loser's Curse. To my shock, and more than a little awe, one of the authors - Richard Thaler - was awarded the Nobel prize in economics in 2017. Fast forward, and the word has finally gotten out (NFL owners appear to be as slow on the take as their MLB counterparts). Here's a nice analysis from The Ringer on where the Arizona Cardinals appear to be headed, and it's right in the direction of Foxboro. This year, as in many years past, the Patriots have a truckload of mid to lower round picks. Just Bill being Bill - he is what he is. That article is so confusing and frankly stupid. Yea depth is great, more picks is great. You don't keep two QBs and play Rosen to increase his value. You don't want Rosen and Murray competing. They both need some good Veterans to help teach them. You want competition, bring in a Taylor type guy like the Browns did so Murray can earn his playing time. Competition can be very good at certain postions and at certain times. Yet you don't want two young inexperienced top 10 picks duking it out. Certainly not a Rosen who has some questions about his personality and if he can win over his teammates. If you love Murray and take him #1 you need to move Rosen. If you think Rosen can play well and increase his value, should you really be taking another QB first overall? Rosen plays crazy well, takes away playing time for Murray and creates more questions no? Murray beats out Rosen, Rosen hardly plays and his value will tank even more. You want competition draft another QB later in the draft to be a backup. I love the Eagles approach you should always be drafting QBs. At the same time the Eagles aren't taking a QB in the first round with Wentz either. The only way the Cardinals are being Smart is if the Murray talk is really a smoke screen. All the Rosen trade talks aren't real. Which if they get a massive offer could be brilliant, yet I highly doubt that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 9, 2019 12:51:11 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Apr 9, 2019 16:15:32 GMT -5
Gostkowski re-signs for 2 years. No word on Cap# yet.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 9, 2019 17:16:11 GMT -5
As fun as it was to talk about drafting a new kicker, we have too many holes to be taking another risk like that this year. They still be bring in a guy for competition, but that is way less risky than just counting on a rookie kicker with zero insurance.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 10, 2019 6:20:11 GMT -5
Gostkowski re-signs for 2 years. No word on Cap# yet. 2/8.5. Not sure on guarantees |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 10, 2019 12:59:00 GMT -5
Field Yates reporting that NE has signed Austin Seferian Jenkins
EDIT: Vet Minimum
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 10, 2019 13:28:11 GMT -5
Field Yates reporting that NE has signed Austin Seferian Jenkins EDIT: Vet Minimum Great signing - he wanted to be here; has talent and could rebuild his value with a great year. Been hoping they could get him on a deal like this. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 10, 2019 13:44:44 GMT -5
Pats also had Jones and Grier in today as part of the Draft Evaluation and Demaryius Thomas and T.J. Yeldon as FA candidates.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 10, 2019 14:12:25 GMT -5
Jenkins just made so much sense. By far the best TE available, has real talent and upside as a pass catcher, he's just never really lived up to his potential. At veteran minimum it doesn't get any better given our need. We get to see how good our coaching is. Finally unlock his potential and you just helped fill a big hole. If not he might not even make the team.
I think you'd wait on Thomas till May 7th when comp picks go away for signing guys. He's injured, won't be ready till mid-season if not longer. So no rush on him, but wouldn't be a bad depth signing at all.
Yeldon isn't a bad player, but I'd prefer more of an every down RB, than another 3rd down type RB. Yet you really can't complain if they add him. I'd just want a bigger RB that can combo with Michel in a power and speed RB combo. I'm a Homer but a Dexter Williams type guy in the draft and there are plenty more like him to be had late in the draft. Heck I've been intrigued by a bunch of RBs in the 3rd and 4th rounds. I really like the idea of going after another young RB! Go back to our old formula as Brady ages of D and running the ball.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 10, 2019 14:54:48 GMT -5
6-1/220 ain't small.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 10, 2019 16:01:55 GMT -5
Thomas is soft but we legit have dog poo right now
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 10, 2019 17:16:40 GMT -5
No it isn't, but he has very little power to his game. Like Burkhead is 5'10" 215 and I consider him small, yet he has more power than Yeldon by a mile. It's why the Jags always teamed Yeldon up with big backs like Ivory and used him as a third down RB. Maybe I shouldn't have talked about size, when what I really want is power. Michel is like a better version of Yeldon and has shown major injury concerns. I just think the better pairing is a more powerful RB, better between the tackles and adds something at the goal line and short yardage. The type of RB Bill has loved for decades. A guy that can carry the ball 20 to 30 times a game a wear down a defense. Like Jordan Howard is 6' 224, yet he's a crazy powerful RB and I would have gladly traded a 2020 6th round pick for him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 11, 2019 8:14:26 GMT -5
Misc thoughts...
1. I can’t wait for the draft. I’ve looked at it too many times and am always changing my preferences for the picks. Right now, I’ve circled back to N’Keal Harry - even as a first round selection but I’ll think different soon so just get here already.
2. I’d be fine with Thomas as a post May signing on a vet min type deal - but I hate the guy...
3. I would like another running back in the draft as well.
4. I hope they plan to use Michel more in the passing game. It would add another layer this offense could really use. They were effective but very predictable when he was on the field last year. If he becomes a threat to catch the ball then watch out.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 11, 2019 18:10:17 GMT -5
Phil Perry just released the first installment in his Prototypical Patriots series. He starts with the QBs (which he admits is probably the hardest).
It's certainly not perfect bit it attempts to get us to think less about who WE like and more about the guys (based on their draft history) that BB might.
BSJ does a similar exercise typically. It may have been Lloyko though, who is no longer writing for them.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 12, 2019 7:24:40 GMT -5
To state the obvious, this has been a disappointing season for C's fans. BUT I get a little bit of satisfaction out of seeing what is going on in LA, what a train wreck.
I am not a Lebron hater but to think that the Lakers and an aging Lebron could end up being a disaster puts a smile on my face. If they can't get another star to sign or complete a deal for Davis they will not be good again next year and Lebron will be another year older. To think that with Jerry West the Clippers could be the better LA organization for a while is just plain funny.
As far as Magic goes he said it himself, he just wants to go back to being Magic. Rebuilding the Lakers was and is a harder job than he expected and it wasn't fun, he thought it was going to be fun but it wasn't. And winning is not in the forecast at this moment so why keep going when your not enjoying the process and your moves were not successful.
These playoffs could determine whether "superstar" Kyrie was a mistake once and for all.
edit. Just noticed I was in the wrong thread, oh well you guys get it. Seems like it is the same guys who read the nonsox threads.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 12, 2019 9:23:52 GMT -5
There’s a lot of smoke about Haskins falling in the draft. He’s not one of the players attending the draft which is a big red flag and people are suggesting Drew Lock and maybe Jones are going to go ahead of him.
Let me be clear... I HATE the idea of trading up for a QB in this draft. I want to try and maximize the final year or two of Brady at this point BUT, despite me not evaluating QBs or caring to, if Haskins falls into the early 20s trading up for him would make a lot of sense.... say trading up with Seattle (who only has 4 picks in the draft). Going from 32 to 21 shouldn’t take too much. Something like 32, 64 and 134. Works on the value chart and fills in Seattle’s picks nicely.
For the Patriots it sucks because you literally are trading 3 potential contributors next year for zero, but Haskins falling could be like Rogers falling and how do you pass that up?
I would literally hate this and love it at the same time.
Add: Even if Haskins doesn’t fall look for this trade to be made for another player the Pats love as these two teams are perfect trade partners in this draft for that 21st pick.
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