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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 15, 2019 16:38:08 GMT -5
So 18 top 30 visits, six WRs, four QBs, and two TEs. Thorson and Stidham added to Grier and Jones. We know they are taking a WR and TE. Seems they have a lot more interest in the QBs than they do most years also. Heck if they bring in Finley they would basically have brought in the whole second tier of QBs in this draft. It might mean nothing, but I can't remember a time they looked at so many QBs in depth like this.
What do you guys think of Dalton Risner? Played RT and center in College, a lot of people think he's a guard or center in the NFL, yet a few think he might be able to stick at RT. Seen him listed as one of the least likely to bust players in the draft. Very strong and three year captain at a big time program.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 15, 2019 17:57:27 GMT -5
So 18 top 30 visits, six WRs, four QBs, and two TEs. Thorson and Stidham added to Grier and Jones. We know they are taking a WR and TE. Seems they have a lot more interest in the QBs than they do most years also. Heck if they bring in Finley they would basically have brought in the whole second tier of QBs in this draft. It might mean nothing, but I can't remember a time they looked at so many QBs in depth like this. What do you guys think of Dalton Risner? Played RT and center in College, a lot of people think he's a guard or center in the NFL, yet a few think he might be able to stick at RT. Seen him listed as one of the least likely to bust players in the draft. Very strong and three year captain at a big time program. I like Risner but in the second round... he’s not a guy I’d be mad about in the first tho because I love offensive line and they are pretty good at drafting there. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 15, 2019 20:58:37 GMT -5
Right. My post was in reply to a clearly inaccurate claim -- "Bill uses the Jimmie Johnson one and says everyone else does for the most part ..." Bill said no such thing. Then I added my arbitrary interpretation of the jist of what he said. There is considerable discussion that the Chase Stuart chart is more in favor these days, or some hybrid compromise between that & the JJ one. But I didn't claim that, because I don't know. I merely refuted an inaccuracy & offered some conjecture. Did Bill say I use this draft chart? Nope ... Thank you for clarifying the misquote. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2019 7:31:36 GMT -5
Russell Wilson’s agent, Mark Rodgers, on the record-setting agreement that was reached at midnight PST: “At the end of the day, my guy wants to live, work, thrive in Seattle. Loves this town and it’s fans. He compromised to stay here. I respect that.”
Hahahahaha compromised? How? By making sure his team would never be good enough around him to win? He just signed the highest AAV contract in NFL history.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 11:02:32 GMT -5
Did Bill say I use this draft chart? Nope ... Thank you for clarifying the misquote. I never quoted Bill, you added those in your reply. Those were my words and why I never added "..." to what I said. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2019 11:25:22 GMT -5
Thank you for clarifying the misquote. I never quoted Bill, you added those in your reply. Those were my words and why I never added "..." to what I said. This seems like a good place to wrap this up 😀 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 11:27:08 GMT -5
Russell Wilson’s agent, Mark Rodgers, on the record-setting agreement that was reached at midnight PST: “At the end of the day, my guy wants to live, work, thrive in Seattle. Loves this town and it’s fans. He compromised to stay here. I respect that.” Hahahahaha compromised? How? By making sure his team would never be good enough around him to win? He just signed the highest AAV contract in NFL history. I don't get what the Seahawks are doing by giving him two four year deals in a row. Like you want a huge deal OK, yet let's make it long so we can spread out the cap hits and give us some extra money early in the deal to try and win. Then rework it later on. Four years doesn't allow you to do that and year 35 million per is going to kill that teams ability to field a good team around him. He's going to take almost 20% of their cap and be at like 15% at the end of the deal if the cap keeps rising like it has. He litterally cares about nothing but making the most money he can. Which is fine, he has that right, but yeah that crap that it was about anything but money is crazy and total BS. He's the anti Tom Brady and makes you truly understand how good we've had it for almost two decades. I thought Pete Carroll was smarter than that! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 15:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 16, 2019 16:00:24 GMT -5
The Patriots are taking a flyer on Thomas, the former WR for Denver. Hopefully he's healthy enough to help them soon.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2019 16:12:31 GMT -5
The Patriots are taking a flyer on Thomas, the former WR for Denver. Hopefully he's healthy enough to help them soon. 6m?!?!? Christ - I can’t say I like it. At those dollars it eats a significant amount of remaining cap space - makes me less optimistic of s trade as well. In a dream scenario it works great with him Edelman and Gordon all healthy and not suspended. Most likely it’s Edelman, no Gordon and a shell called Thomas and rookies. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 16, 2019 16:16:46 GMT -5
Some interesting observations on the drafting of QBs lately (from ProFootballTalk).
Teens are a bit of a deadspot for drafting QBs lately with only 2 taken in that range the last 10 drafts and neither amounting to much (EJ Manuel and Josh Freeman).
2nd Round is also not the target area (if you like a QB enough, you're probably moving up into the 1st round). In last 10 drafts, 30 1st rd QBs but only 10 2nd rounders (5 and 0 last year)
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2019 16:19:30 GMT -5
You’ve come around on Lawrence? He was my first number 1 pick for the Pats but now I’m Luke warm on it. Mostly for reasons you pointed out before. He will need to be similar to Vince to make it worth while. First rd picks are valuable for the 5th year option. Would they use it on a DT like him? I’d love the guy on the team tho... How serious is Tillery’s surgery? I would love to have him.., What do you guys make of Deebo’s “see you in a month Bill comment?” |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 16:30:00 GMT -5
The Patriots are taking a flyer on Thomas, the former WR for Denver. Hopefully he's healthy enough to help them soon. 6m?!?!? Christ - I can’t say I like it. At those dollars it eats a significant amount of remaining cap space - makes me less optimistic of s trade as well. In a dream scenario it works great with him Edelman and Gordon all healthy and not suspended. Most likely it’s Edelman, no Gordon and a shell called Thomas and rookies. He just adds size, a big catch radius and an end zone target. Hogan signing allowed us to add him and one more guy before we lose those third rounders. Sure it's a little bit more than I would have guessed but he was the last guy left with big upside. I guess the injury is coming along quicker than expected. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 16:42:01 GMT -5
You’ve come around on Lawrence? He was my first number 1 pick for the Pats but now I’m Luke warm on it. Mostly for reasons you pointed out before. He will need to be similar to Vince to make it worth while. First rd picks are valuable for the 5th year option. Would they use it on a DT like him? I’d love the guy on the team tho... How serious is Tillery’s surgery? I would love to have him.., What do you guys make of Deebo’s “see you in a month Bill comment?” I love Tillery, but the injury along with whispers about some small issues at Notre Dame have me thinking he's not a Patriot type guy in the first. More like few options at pick 32. Like I really struggle with that pick from a value point. Add that to Lawrence has been climbing in most mocks and not falling. So yea this almost seems like an unlikely value pick right now, but that mock is a little crazy because I don't think Lock falls to pick 30 either. Deebo might be the best fit at WR, but they can't like those comments and the bigger issue is a ton of injuries. It's just do they use a first on him? Or trade down to get him? He likely goes between our first and second picks, with a small chance he goes before pick 32. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2019 19:33:56 GMT -5
Would Bill go crazy and draft Josh Jacobs if no backs were picked in the first round and go with a 2 headed monster in the backfield? Kind of follow what the Saints did... i doubt it but value in that spot could be hard to pass on...
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 22:36:37 GMT -5
Would Bill go crazy and draft Josh Jacobs if no backs were picked in the first round and go with a 2 headed monster in the backfield? Kind of follow what the Saints did... i doubt it but value in that spot could be hard to pass on... I don't think so. I want a RB but I think they take one later in draft. Also do you really want a guy that is the same guy as Michel? One of my draft mags has that as his comp. Now I wouldn't mind back to back Georgia RBs. A guy like Holyfields value tanked at the combine, but he's a big tough inside runner. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2019 6:21:18 GMT -5
Would Bill go crazy and draft Josh Jacobs if no backs were picked in the first round and go with a 2 headed monster in the backfield? Kind of follow what the Saints did... i doubt it but value in that spot could be hard to pass on... I don't think so. I want a RB but I think they take one later in draft. Also do you really want a guy that is the same guy as Michel? One of my draft mags has that as his comp. Now I wouldn't mind back to back Georgia RBs. A guy like Holyfields value tanked at the combine, but he's a big tough inside runner. I’m not going to argue they are completely different but they aren’t the same either. Jacobs should be a much better short yardage back... he’s a bit more compact and he hits harder... Jacobs should also be a 3 down back but I think both can be. Neither has that home run speed tho which is where my bigger problem lies... i think the big short yardage guy is overrated. I don’t think it will happen but it would be interesting. I doubt he’s even on the board |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 17, 2019 9:07:21 GMT -5
Per Breer (on DT)
$150K to sign.
$150K reporting bonus.
$1.2 million base.
$1.406 million in per-game rosters.
$750K for 60 catches.
$750K for 800 yards.
$750K for 1000 yards.
$750K for 1200 yards.
Pats cap at $13.1 (Miguel Benzan)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 17, 2019 9:39:22 GMT -5
I have a hard time taking a RB high that was never the starter and never came close to a 1,000 yards. It add so many unknowns and yea Bama has some talent but Harris isn't rated as a top RB either. I like Miles Sanders and Dexter Williams a lot more if you want another full-time runner with big-time upside. Both only started one year so less wear and tear, but they both also showed they can handle the load week in and week out. Yet I don't think we take a RB that high, which is why I'm focusing on backs that will go later in the draft, like fourth round and later. I would add that Bill's plan was to pair Michel with Hill last year, who's a bigger RB or I should say a powerful inside runner.
So it's nice we've added Jenkins and Thomas, adds good size and depth to WR and TE, while adding two good red zone targets. Also Thomas's deal is said to be full of incentives, not a straight 6 million deal. Which makes sense, but adds a layer of what his cap number will actually be. The interesting thing is do they add an OT, DE or DT before the draft? Reports they had Bailey in for a second time and he makes a lot of sense, yet almost nothing on OT.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 17, 2019 9:44:55 GMT -5
Reports have Patriots showing "heavy interest" in T Greg Little (not sure how it's determined but there it is).
He was considered a top 10 candidate at 1 point, FWIW
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 17, 2019 10:08:53 GMT -5
Reports have Patriots showing "heavy interest" in T Greg Little (not sure how it's determined but there it is). He was considered a top 10 candidate at 1 point, FWIW Without a signing or trade, OT might be our biggest need right now even with two starters. You have zero depth, an unproven guy coming off injury, another guy who always gets injured, so it's starting to look like OT is going to be a high pick unless something happens. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 17, 2019 10:11:20 GMT -5
Reports have Patriots showing "heavy interest" in T Greg Little (not sure how it's determined but there it is). He was considered a top 10 candidate at 1 point, FWIW Without a signing or trade, OT might be our biggest need right now even with two starters. You have zero depth, an unproven guy coming off injury, another guy who always gets injured, so it's starting to look like OT is going to be a high pick unless something happens. That's an awful position to be in since other teams will see that and possibly trade up to take their guys. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 17, 2019 10:23:04 GMT -5
Without a signing or trade, OT might be our biggest need right now even with two starters. You have zero depth, an unproven guy coming off injury, another guy who always gets injured, so it's starting to look like OT is going to be a high pick unless something happens. That's an awful position to be in since other teams will see that and possibly trade up to take their guys. I don't think most people think OT is their biggest need and they have two starters. Like last year they took Wynn and didn't have a starter before that pick. They didn't trade for Brown till the fourth round. They still have enough holes that it won't be that easy and the Patriots don't tip their hand like so many other teams do. Yet they will be taking an OT in the top four rounds unless they add some depth. You just can't fill depth at OT later in the draft or with undrafted guys like you can at other positions. Certainly not ideal, but they have a ton of picks and a bunch of options at OT with those first six picks. In a perfect world they add an veteran OT, but we've seen almost nothing on that front. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 17, 2019 10:54:48 GMT -5
Not that I have much confidence in him, they also seem to like Croston quite a bit. Not likely a starter but someone who could push in the swing role.
Likely a 4th T though, imo.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 17, 2019 11:07:59 GMT -5
Who knows, but I don't have much faith in a guy that was released twice last year by the Patriots and never had another team claim him. Seems more like just a depth guy to me.
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