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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2019 11:47:28 GMT -5
I will never cry about loading up on the offensive line and even if I don’t love the guy they take personally, at the end of the day they do really well with their o-line picks.
I like the structure of the DT deal that works - he’s betting on himself and as much as I feel like the guy is soft he’s not lazy as he’s beaten timelines regularly when returning from injury. Guess that means he’s not so soft either.... maybe he just needs to be properly motivated and that shouldn’t be an issue with this team. I can jump on a homer bandwagon take
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Post by costpet on Apr 18, 2019 6:57:41 GMT -5
Like the schedule. 8 prime time games in a row. I guess they like us. No Miami game in December there. Make them come to NE in the winter.
Trying to predict what BB will do in the draft is like predicting today’s weather a year in advance. But, I can hardly wait.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 18, 2019 12:45:41 GMT -5
While I don't love the idea of using back to back first round picks on OL, I agree they are a very safe pick for the Patriots. The problem I have is the OTs and really a guy that can play both tackle position doesn't seem to be there. Greg Little is the perfect guy from a physical point of view, yet I keep hearing the same thing over and over doesn't play up to his ability. Something is just missing, goes hot and cold. That doesn't sound like a Patriot type player, well not in the first round. That would be a gamble and unlike the Patriots. Kaleb McGary fits some of their traits, yet seems limited to RT and some think guard. Dalton Risner is still the best fit and value. He screams Patriot, yet he's a maybe RT and likely OG/C. Which would be great for a backup guy next year. Safe pick, yet not a sexy pick and he certainly doesn't have the upside of other players.
One player keeps coming up rated a lot higher in my draft Magazines than in the current rankings and mocks OT Bobby Evans. Can play both LT and RT. In a bunch of ways he's similar to Wynn in that his lack of length has people dropping him in the draft, yet he has very long arms. Two draft mags have him 1st to 2nd, one 2nd round, the last one 2nd to 3rd but as an OG. Needs to bulk up a little bit, certainly doesn't fit the strength mark the Patriots love. Yet if you could get him late second early third that would seem like very good value and the perfect type of guy we need.
Another guy that really dropped after the combine is David Edwards. Likely only a RT, somewhat raw, better at run blocking than pass right now. Yet if you can get him in the third or fourth rounds that seems like good value.
This class is filled with risky upside guys, lower division studs, and your typical very good college players that you don't exactly know where they can play. Deep class, just not a ton of swing tackles you feel great about playing LT early on with Brady. That has to be a worry given Wynn hasn't played, is coming off a major injury and was seen as a future all-pro guard, not OT. Maybe they love one of the small school studs like Scharping, Howard, or Pipkins. Maybe the gamble on the huge upside of Little or even Cajuste yet that usually isn't the Patriots way. After getting Jenkins and Thomas we filled our two biggest needs with Veterans that have big upsides. Risky sure, yet you can see both doing well. That really leaves OT and a guy that can play LT and RT as the one position that screams we need a solid veteran. I will admit depending how the Patriots feel about Wynn maybe I'm overrating this need a little bit. Yet our swing OTs have played on average 25% of the snaps recently. Gotta believe they get a veteran guy or they like an OT a lot more than others do, which could certainly be the case.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2019 6:30:01 GMT -5
Per Breer (on DT) $150K to sign. $150K reporting bonus. $1.2 million base. $1.406 million in per-game rosters. $750K for 60 catches. $750K for 800 yards. $750K for 1000 yards. $750K for 1200 yards. Pats cap at $13.1 (Miguel Benzan) So that's only $300K guaranteed if he doesn't make the roster. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 20, 2019 10:16:33 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2019 10:00:23 GMT -5
My new prediction is the Patriots trade 32 to Arizona for Rosen... i won’t be happy about it but it’s my feeling right now...
My preference today is they take AJ Brown but that will change again.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2019 10:55:12 GMT -5
My new prediction is the Patriots trade 32 to Arizona for Rosen... i won’t be happy about it but it’s my feeling right now... My preference today is they take AJ Brown but that will change again. For those wondering, Rosen's cap hit for 2019 will be $3,999,491. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 21, 2019 10:57:31 GMT -5
My new prediction is the Patriots trade 32 to Arizona for Rosen... i won’t be happy about it but it’s my feeling right now... My preference today is they take AJ Brown but that will change again. Not a Rosen fan? |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 21, 2019 12:29:59 GMT -5
My new prediction is the Patriots trade 32 to Arizona for Rosen... i won’t be happy about it but it’s my feeling right now... My preference today is they take AJ Brown but that will change again. For those wondering, Rosen's cap hit for 2019 will be $3,999,491. Isn't that only Arizona's cap hit? Wouldn't a team that trades for him have a much lower cap charge (sans bonuses already paid)? |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2019 13:05:11 GMT -5
For those wondering, Rosen's cap hit for 2019 will be $3,999,491. Isn't that only Arizona's cap hit? Wouldn't a team that trades for him have a much lower cap charge (sans bonuses already paid)? I guess you could be right. I wasn't aware of how it works. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2019 16:02:54 GMT -5
Isn't that only Arizona's cap hit? Wouldn't a team that trades for him have a much lower cap charge (sans bonuses already paid)? I guess you could be right. I wasn't aware of how it works. The patriots cap hit would only be his base salaries, plus any roster bonuses etc. so it would be about 1.3m |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2019 20:37:09 GMT -5
My new prediction is the Patriots trade 32 to Arizona for Rosen... i won’t be happy about it but it’s my feeling right now... My preference today is they take AJ Brown but that will change again. Not a Rosen fan? I don’t love Rosen but the kid can throw the ball... his personality seems off to me but really I don’t know enough about him on my own to really say that. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2019 20:39:41 GMT -5
Of course now there’s a report that the Cardinals won’t be selecting Murray....
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2019 0:47:57 GMT -5
I tend to agree all this noise right before the draft about Murray is just a ploy, otherwise I'll give the Cardinals some major props or maybe not. If the current reports are true that franchise is in trouble. Wanted Murray to sell tickets, now you don't because the fans don't want him. Like WTF, your average fan knows nothing haha. Like I hope that is your typical pre-draft BS to see what other teams would do. Something every team should do.
Still going to stick to my offer our first for Rosen and their third. Maybe I sweeten it with another pick or a future pick. Heck maybe I get a 4th back. I think that's just great value as there isn't a huge difference in the players from 32 to top of the third. I'm going to stick to my guns and require a good asset back though. If they trade him, they'll want to save face and get a first. I'll gamble we are the only team that will offer them that chance
56. Jace Sternberger TE
64. Miles Boykins WR
Cards pick Khalen Saunders DT
73. Bobby Evans OT
97. Joe Jackson DE
101. Te'Von Coney LB
134. Stanley Morgan WR
205. Alize Mack TE
239. Alex Bars G
243. Elijah Holyfield RB
246. Ugochukwu Amafi S
252. Easton Stick QB
I'll likely change this daily till the draft. I've narrowed in on my guys depending how the draft unfolds. I can't get away from my Notre Dame guys, some are great fits, but also some great value. Like I don't even have LB as a big need, yet Coney in the 3-4th is a steal, same with Mack in the 6th and Bars in the 7th. I will try and fix it, just easier to pick guys I've watched every game for years. Lot of safe guys from Notre Dame this year and some good upside guys with risk.
Overall I hit every need I wanted to address. I get two TEs, two WRs, a QB, OT, DT and DE. Those top seven picks are the main draft and kinda feel too good to be true. I can adjust a lot of different players in and out at different positions yet Sternberger and Evans are much harder to replace. Riskier type guys, but massive upside guys. You have this many picks,you should take some risks. Though I have to admit, maybe I'm taking a few too many risky guys early.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 22, 2019 10:59:56 GMT -5
McShay has Dolphins and Giants most in on Rosen now (would explain why the lock of lock Haskins to NYG has recently waned). Reports are that Gettleman wants a pass rusher at 6 and could then go QB (either in draft or Rosen trade) using 17.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2019 11:48:46 GMT -5
Reports for a week or two that Haskins to the Giants was all the media just giving the Giants the best available QB. All reports from the team were they are so-so on him. Like 17 maybe, but not at six. That's what prompted the Haskins could fall debate.
Just like most years QBs will determine the draft. Never once bought the early crap that four QBs could go top ten.
If the Cardinals do take Murray and wait to trade Rosen till the draft, they are really gambling. If the QBs fall it will kill Rosen value, or it could help if they go early. Yet reports and mocks all have them sliding right now. Nevermind what would happen if Murray doesn't go first overall. A few weeks ago everyone was thinking the top four come off the board in the top 17 picks. Now you see Jones sliding to late first, maybe even second round. Haskins is sliding, Lock is sliding per recent reports, and now even Murray might not go #1. There's always a ton of BS this time of year, yet I can't remember when all reports on QBs is they are dropping.
Gettleman would be ballsy to basically trade OBJ for Rosen.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 22, 2019 13:10:47 GMT -5
This is definitely the most unpredictable draft in recent memory which is saying something because there’s always a couple out of no where first round picks. This year that might not happen since approximately 60 guys have been predicted in the first round at some point. I’ll tell you this, if the Patriots take Paris Campbell in the first round like so many mocks have I’ll honestly get so mad I may not sleep that night.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2019 14:43:48 GMT -5
Parris Campbell is like a mix of Patterson, Tavon Austin, and Percy Harvin. Great athlete, great in open space, just not a very good WR. I don't like a WR in round one, yet there are at least five guys better than him. Late second round, if you want a Patterson type guy that wouldn't be horrible. We just need legit WRs, not gadget players.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 22, 2019 14:57:44 GMT -5
"Reports" are trickling in that Pats LOVE Will Grier with some speculating that they could use their 1st. That being said, many also remind that this is when smokescreens really ramp up.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 22, 2019 16:42:31 GMT -5
If the Pats loved Will Grier we wouldn’t hear about it....
It wouldn’t surprise me if only 1 WR were selected before we are on the clock at 32, which would make me want to take one as that’s only because there’s going to be a massive run on them in the second round. Our second round pick is too late to wait on a WR run to happen before we pick.
I also hear there could be 5-7 tight ends taken in the first 3 rounds which makes me feel they need to take a tight end.
Basically, I need this draft to happen already.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2019 17:52:10 GMT -5
Just my two cents but has a first round pick ever been leaked before the Patriots take them? Like it's a shock almost every time they make a pick.
If you want to get all sports writer and try to make sense of this, maybe it's a ploy in the Rosen talks. No F***ing way you get a first, we are taking Grier at 32.
They have looked at every major QB that they have a legit good shot at drafting outside Ryan Finley. So they are thinking a lot about QBs. Either to take one, comparing them to Rosen or this is one heck of a draft deflection. They are taking a QB or trading for Rosen. Taking Ryan Finley at 32 would be crazy haha. I will dream Lock falls and we trade up. That is a shocking pick I'd love.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2019 4:32:24 GMT -5
Great question...  |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2019 5:12:46 GMT -5
32. AJ Brown WR
56. Jace Sternberger TE
64. Chase Winovich DE
73. Max Scharping OT/G. Or Titus Howard T
97. Khalen Saunders DL
101. Amani Hooker S
134. Stanley Morgan WR
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 23, 2019 9:06:51 GMT -5
Great question... This is proof that the draft needs to start now. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2019 9:34:39 GMT -5
The second you run out of time, the other team can jump you. So yes the Cards could make pick 32 on Thursday night. Yet it would be very interesting because they wouldn't be ready.
Will never happen, Bill would never just throw the value of a first away and that 5th year option. Like how is he gaming the system? We've seen teams get jumped in the first round before.
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