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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2019 17:38:51 GMT -5
So every TE I talked up besides one guy gets drafted and even a few a didn't like. So it wasn't the class overall. So it will be interesting to see what the plan is.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 17:49:42 GMT -5
Pedro do you find the most negative report on a player and latch on to that as what he is? You don’t pick practice squad guys in the 4th round. The tackle they took is a tackle not a guard. The fact a guy “could move inside” doesn’t mean he’s a guard it means he’s potentially versatile. Guys a pretty pure tackle though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 17:52:24 GMT -5
I haven’t looked up anything in this last corner but i bet he’s super fast... that’s their M.O lately take a super fast corner late and develop him
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 27, 2019 17:53:49 GMT -5
Pedro do you find the most negative report on a player and latch on to that as what he is? You don’t pick practice squad guys in the 4th round. The tackle they took is a tackle not a guard. The fact a guy “could move inside” doesn’t mean he’s a guard it means he’s potentially versatile. Guys a pretty pure tackle though. No I was only going by projection. The Pats could use him if he's good as a tackle. We will see. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 17:59:27 GMT -5
Pedro do you find the most negative report on a player and latch on to that as what he is? You don’t pick practice squad guys in the 4th round. The tackle they took is a tackle not a guard. The fact a guy “could move inside” doesn’t mean he’s a guard it means he’s potentially versatile. Guys a pretty pure tackle though. No I was only going by projection. The Pats could use him if he's good as a tackle. We will see. Who’s projection? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 27, 2019 18:00:54 GMT -5
No I was only going by projection. The Pats could use him if he's good as a tackle. We will see. Who’s projection? Espns, but they're pretty much crap. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 18:52:19 GMT -5
Jacobi Myers WR NCST
Xavier Ubosi WR Auburn
Signed by Pats... Myers could be something
Ubosi is big and fast but looks like he literally runs a go and that’s it... ha
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 27, 2019 18:55:47 GMT -5
Well I have been calling for Stidham for months now so I have to stick with him. If by some crazy chance he becomes the heir apparent and performs like a stud I will be ecstatic, as I am sure we all will be.
I like the draft quite a bit. The only thing I would have liked to have seen is more for next year as they now have 10 guys not counting UDFAs, along with several from last year that didn't play, that is a lot. Could they have traded one of those 4ths for a 3rd next year? I don't know.
I can see this draft being considered very successful a few years down the road.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 18:57:13 GMT -5
Well I have been calling for Stidham for months now so I have to stick with him. If by some crazy chance he becomes the heir apparent and performs like a stud I will be ecstatic, as I am sure we all will be. I like the draft quite a bit. The only thing I would have liked to have seen is more for next year as they now have 10 guys not counting UDFAs, along with several from last year that didn't play, that is a lot. Could they have traded one of those 4ths for a 3rd next year? I don't know. I can see this draft being considered very successful a few years down the road. They have 13 projected picks next year already.... Cassario basically said they dealt those 7ths to dump the picks |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 19:10:49 GMT -5
Undrafted free agents signed by Pats - without releasing or trading anyone they have 11 open roster spots for UDFAs
Jacobi Myers WR NCST
Xavier Ubosi WR UBA
Ryan Davis WR Auburn
Terez Hall LB Missouri
Andrew Beck TE Texas
Tyree St. Louis. OT Miami
Malik Gant S Marshall
Calvin Anderson OL Texas
Myers could be something - looks good and highly productive.
Ubosi is big and fast but looks like he literally runs a go and that’s it... ha
Beck a team captain
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 27, 2019 19:23:23 GMT -5
Well I have been calling for Stidham for months now so I have to stick with him. If by some crazy chance he becomes the heir apparent and performs like a stud I will be ecstatic, as I am sure we all will be. I like the draft quite a bit. The only thing I would have liked to have seen is more for next year as they now have 10 guys not counting UDFAs, along with several from last year that didn't play, that is a lot. Could they have traded one of those 4ths for a 3rd next year? I don't know. I can see this draft being considered very successful a few years down the road. They have 13 projected picks next year already.... Cassario basically said they dealt those 7ths to dump the picks Yup 13 is a lot for sure but you can never have too many if you want to move up. Wouldn't it be nice to have a pick in the top 15 for a change? How often have the Pats picked top 15 in the last 18 years? Twice? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 19:45:27 GMT -5
They have 13 projected picks next year already.... Cassario basically said they dealt those 7ths to dump the picks Yup 13 is a lot for sure but you can never have too many if you want to move up. Wouldn't it be nice to have a pick in the top 15 for a change? How often have the Pats picked top 15 in the last 18 years? Twice? Once right? The Oakland pick for Seymour trade... took Mayo 7th |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 20:23:30 GMT -5
I like Jacobi Myers highlights
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2019 20:32:47 GMT -5
Looking at the draft, one big question what is the Patriots plan at TE? I've seen they didn't think the guys in this draft were better than what they have. I don't buy that for one second. Maybe they didn't love the guys or more likely the value just never lined up and they went best available, not reaching for need. So do they make a trade? Gronk returns? Maybe Bennett? They have kept a lot of money,like they could still give Gronk 10 million.
Overall great draft, like epic type upside. Could be one of the better drafts in the last twenty years. Really hard to find negatives with the top seven picks. The biggest reach was Froholdt and that was like a round which is basically nothing, yet almost all the other picks were value picks. Stidham is the best value pick and you don't mind passing on Lock when you can get Stidham late 4th.
Not a huge deal, but it almost seems the Pats gave up at this point. Not that Cowart or Baily are huge reaches, yet the chances you needed to trade up for either was slim to none. I'd say very good chance both are there in the 7th round. If they just had too many picks, why did they keep moving down? Missed opportunity to add a good player or two. Not huge, but a little shocking as the Patriots usually nail the later rounds. You need to be picked on for trading up in the 5th to draft a punter.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 27, 2019 20:41:59 GMT -5
Yup 13 is a lot for sure but you can never have too many if you want to move up. Wouldn't it be nice to have a pick in the top 15 for a change? How often have the Pats picked top 15 in the last 18 years? Twice? Once right? The Oakland pick for Seymour trade... took Mayo 7th Ty Warren #13 overall in 2003 makes it twice. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 20:50:20 GMT -5
Once right? The Oakland pick for Seymour trade... took Mayo 7th Ty Warren #13 overall in 2003 makes it twice. Right |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2019 20:54:44 GMT -5
Undrafted free agents signed by Pats - without releasing or trading anyone they have 11 open roster spots for UDFAs
Jacobi Myers WR NCST
Xavier Ubosi WR UBA
Ryan Davis WR Auburn
Terez Hall LB Missouri
Andrew Beck TE Texas
Tyree St. Louis. OT Miami
Calvin Anderson OL Texas
Tyler Gauthier OL Miami
Malik Gant S Marshall
Myers could be something - looks good and highly productive.
Ubosi is big and fast but looks like he literally runs a go and that’s it... ha
Beck a team captain
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 28, 2019 7:08:54 GMT -5
Other team execs on thinking about the Pats.
They have been to 3 straight Super Bowls and won 3 of the last 5. Not to mention an unprecedented 18 yr stretch of dominance that includes 16 AFC East and 9 AFC crowns.
They just had a bunch of picks and what appears to be a very strong draft.
Next year they already have 13 picks lined up including 7 in the first 4 rounds.
LOL, what can the league do to slow them down? They have already taken draft picks and suspended the goat and that didn't work, it only fueled the fire.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2019 7:13:51 GMT -5
Other team execs on thinking about the Pats. They have been to 3 straight Super Bowls and won 3 of the last 5. Not to mention an unprecedented 18 yr stretch of dominance that includes 16 AFC East and 9 AFC crowns. They just had a bunch of picks and what appears to be a very strong draft. Next year they already have 13 picks lined up including 7 in the first 4 rounds. LOL, what can the league do to slow them down? They have already taken draft picks and suspended the goat and that didn't work, it only fueled the fire. They wait for Brady and Bill to retire. They can also get smarter. Starts with owners being patient. Some teams have gotten smarter but so many are still just dumb. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2019 7:51:48 GMT -5
Here’s my ridiculously early and dumb roster projection - check my math for all i know I have 60 players listed 😂🤣
Roster projection (53)
QB (3)
Brady
Hoyer
Stidham
***I don’t think they have a choice but to carry 3. Stidham isn’t ready to play.
RB (5)
Michel
White
Harris
Bolden
Develin
**not going to carry 6 due to 3 QBs and all the core specialists. Burkhead is the guy they let go. Bolden can carry the ball a bit if necessary and they use Michel and Harris more as pass catchers.
TE (3)
Saferian-Jenkins
Anderson
Izzo
***an acquisition here is likely
OL (8)
Wynn
Thuney
Andrews
Mason
Connelly
Cajuste
Froholdt
Karras
WR (5)
Edelman
Thomas
Harry
Dorsett
Berrios
***Gordon not active to start due to suspension. Ellington could win the spot over Berrios too as he has kick return abilities.
Edge (4)
Bennett
Wise
Simon
Winovich
Kamalu/Davis
**Rivers is probably done - pats like the raw ability of both Davis and Kamalu
Interior (3)
Guy
Pennel
Butler
Cowart
** could be an acquisition here too
Linebacker (4)
Hightower
Van Noy
Bentley
Roberts is gone if this is a health group. Enjoy Detroit. Sam is a question mark for me. If Thomas starts on PUP and Berrios and Harry look good - maybe Pats to 4 WR and carry Sam as an extra defender.
Corners (7)
Gilmore
McCourty
Jackson
Jones
Crossen
Dawson
Williams
**Other than an injury or trade (Jones RFA ?) they will carry 7
Safety (3)
McCourty
Chung
Harmon
**McCourty and Jones offer depth here as does special Teamer Brooks
P (1)
Bailey
K (1)
Goskowski
Specialists (5)
Cardona
Slater
King
Ebner
Brooks
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2019 8:20:01 GMT -5
If the Patriots can acquire Rudolph from Minnesota all would be right in the world. The 16-0 talk will start again... ha
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2019 9:12:43 GMT -5
The biggest reach was Froholdt and that was like a round which is basically nothing, yet almost all the other picks were value picks. Just to highlight your point about how great a draft it was... the guy most felt the Pats took a little early was considered a steal by analytics. PFF has this to say: “Hjalte Froholdt, a Danish guard that thrived in pass protection, was a steal for New England at pick No. 118. Froholdt played both center and guard during his tenure with the Razorbacks. This past season, he was one of the nation’s best pass protectors, allowing five pressures all season long. He finished the pre-draft process ranked 55th on PFF’s final big board.” |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2019 10:15:45 GMT -5
Are there reports we wanted Isabella? Given he went to the Cardinals who everyone knew wanted Harry, we knew they wanted a WR. Like where did that come from? I only ask because if they wanted a second WR that high, I find it weird they punted on one for the rest of the draft.
Jlebowski- Yea they could have got any TE they wanted after Fant, but they only draft guys if they rank them high enough. They won't overdraft based on need. My dark horse guy in Drew Sample also went way earlier than most thought. Every year they end up not take a position that is a need. This year it was TE and safety. Like I've had them taking a safety for three years, yet nothing.
I will say not gambling on a Mack or Wilson in the 7th round was stupid unless they have a plan. Like a trade, or Gronk might come back. They have built great depth at every position but TE. We don't need a safety next year, just for the future. Jenkins could be awesome or the guy could get cut. I will wait and see, but not even taking a flyer on two guys that add something is weird. Two guys that have a better chance of making the team than other guys.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2019 10:42:01 GMT -5
Regarding Isabella, keep in mind Harry and the 3 UDFA receivers are all Big. As is Thomas and Gordon. They have Edelman, Dorsett, Ellington and Berrios as smaller guys.. i don’t think they wanted a 3rd small receiver. They clearly went for bigger ones so I doubt Isabella or even Renfroe were considerations.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2019 10:43:02 GMT -5
Undrafted free agents signed by Pats - without releasing or trading anyone they have 11 open roster spots for UDFAs Jacobi Myers WR NCST Xavier Ubosi WR UBA Ryan Davis WR Auburn Terez Hall LB Missouri Andrew Beck TE Texas Tyree St. Louis. OT Miami Calvin Anderson OL Texas Tyler Gauthier OL Miami Malik Gant S Marshall Myers could be something - looks good and highly productive. Ubosi is big and fast but looks like he literally runs a go and that’s it... ha Beck a team captain Myers and Gant are the two highest rated guys. If Gant can play special teams he's my early pick for an undrafted guy to make the team for 16 straight years. He's a really good player, just an old school box safety and those aren't valued in today's game. Yet you know Bill will love a guy like him. Myers has a chance, but rookie WR is always hard nevermind on the Patriots. Frankly I worry the 15 year run is in danger. Maybe Hall as a special team guy. Given the talent that went undrafted, we didn't get a lot of it. No Morgan, no Wise, no Coney, no Hall, heck not even Dax Raymond the top TE not taken, no Willis. Webster is this great athlete, so maybe it's great pick, but how does he make the team? Not a huge deal but I would have taken those other guys and let them battle in training camp. I could see Coney making the team, he might be the most shocking guy not picked. Yea he's an ILB that won't be great against the pass, but he's better against the pass than Roberts by a mile. He's one of the best LBers Notre Dame has had in the last 20 years. A true leader and he can rush the passer and plays with passion. The Raiders got a steal, watch he'll play a lot for them. 10 years ago he would have been a mid second round pick, he reminds me of David Harris. |
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