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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 7:44:39 GMT -5
Two young interesting free agents to watch this year are Devin Funchess and Jesse James... it really depends how much they get. Funchess value may be depressed as he didn’t have a very good year last season. He’s a big body, outside guy. Not my favorite but someone to keep an eye on. James would be a nice Gronk replacement. Even if Gronk is back, he’s a good enough blocker that you can cut Allen and replace his contract slot with James. The Steelers have Vance McDonald so they may not resign James, but there’s always a chance someone offers stupid money. If not though, I really like him and he could be sneaky good value... consider me excited by the positivity. The more I read about James blocking abilities the more I want him. Tight ends are hard to find and great ones don’t really hit free agency but teams had some success last year signing guys from other teams and having them elevate their games so this could drive up James price. However, if he stays in the 6m range then I’d love to see him here. He’s only 25 so he’s a long term solution and you can focus elsewhere in the draft. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 15, 2019 9:20:36 GMT -5
I don't know you seem to be making three points from what I can tell. We need this draft to replace guys making over a million. 2017 was a bad draft and thus this draft is crazy important. Plus were in that point of a cycle that makes 2019 crazy important. You singled 2017 out, not me. But as far as young player capital from 2017 it was a low yield draft. Which is fine, they felt the draft was weak, but it also came on the heels of another low yield draft (which at the time didn’t seem to be) in 2016. To be clear they used the 2017 draft really well at the time. So now what we have is 2 straight years where they didn’t get a lot of bodies from the draft. When something like that happens you end up having to compensate by paying veterans more money for the back end and middle of your rosters which limits what you can spend on the top end of the roster. Now the top end of our roster is getting older and some of the young guys we got from 2015 need to be paid. The way to deal with that is a strong influx of young cheap talent. They got some last year but most of it was injured, unfortunately, so we aren’t exactly sure what we have. It’s just part of the cycle, which is why I laid out the last 4 drafts. They didn’t do anything wrong but as far as drafts go this one is more important than some other years is which makes me excited for it. Besides roster dollars and cents the influx of new talent that hasn’t won is important to keep fueling the team’s competitive fire. They can do that by bringing in veterans off the street too. RJP what do think an average draft is? You know amount of starters and back ups etc? You have a crazy high standard if 2016 is what you call a low yield draft. Two above average starters on Superbowl winning teams and two averagish starters on Superbowl winnings teams. Mitchell's injury sucks, but that's still a great pick. Brown has been a disappointment, yet was huge in a Superbowl run, part of another run. Maybe they keep him, maybe not. He' s not a huge bust either. Yet they still got four starters that helped them win Superbowls. Plus Roberts who's been a decent ok player and Valentine who helped us till injuries seem to have killed him. Not my idea of low yield. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 15, 2019 9:28:25 GMT -5
Two young interesting free agents to watch this year are Devin Funchess and Jesse James... it really depends how much they get. Funchess value may be depressed as he didn’t have a very good year last season. He’s a big body, outside guy. Not my favorite but someone to keep an eye on. James would be a nice Gronk replacement. Even if Gronk is back, he’s a good enough blocker that you can cut Allen and replace his contract slot with James. The Steelers have Vance McDonald so they may not resign James, but there’s always a chance someone offers stupid money. If not though, I really like him and he could be sneaky good value... consider me excited by the positivity. The more I read about James blocking abilities the more I want him. Tight ends are hard to find and great ones don’t really hit free agency but teams had some success last year signing guys from other teams and having them elevate their games so this could drive up James price. However, if he stays in the 6m range then I’d love to see him here. He’s only 25 so he’s a long term solution and you can focus elsewhere in the draft. I'll admit I'm only starting my research, but I like this draft at TE. Has a bunch of high end receiving TEs. The type of guys that can do some of what Gronk has done. Be bigtime weapons in the passing game. I don't mind James but he screams #2 TE. Which is fine if that is what you want, kinda like Dwayne Allen was suppose to be. Personally I want a #1 guy to replace Gronk long-term and nothing I've read says James is that type of guy. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 15, 2019 11:13:33 GMT -5
This draft seems strong at DL and TE which is great for us. Not sure about WR compared to other years.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 12:26:14 GMT -5
You singled 2017 out, not me. But as far as young player capital from 2017 it was a low yield draft. Which is fine, they felt the draft was weak, but it also came on the heels of another low yield draft (which at the time didn’t seem to be) in 2016. To be clear they used the 2017 draft really well at the time. So now what we have is 2 straight years where they didn’t get a lot of bodies from the draft. When something like that happens you end up having to compensate by paying veterans more money for the back end and middle of your rosters which limits what you can spend on the top end of the roster. Now the top end of our roster is getting older and some of the young guys we got from 2015 need to be paid. The way to deal with that is a strong influx of young cheap talent. They got some last year but most of it was injured, unfortunately, so we aren’t exactly sure what we have. It’s just part of the cycle, which is why I laid out the last 4 drafts. They didn’t do anything wrong but as far as drafts go this one is more important than some other years is which makes me excited for it. Besides roster dollars and cents the influx of new talent that hasn’t won is important to keep fueling the team’s competitive fire. They can do that by bringing in veterans off the street too. RJP what do think an average draft is? You know amount of starters and back ups etc? You have a crazy high standard if 2016 is what you call a low yield draft. Two above average starters on Superbowl winning teams and two averagish starters on Superbowl winnings teams. Mitchell's injury sucks, but that's still a great pick. Brown has been a disappointment, yet was huge in a Superbowl run, part of another run. Maybe they keep him, maybe not. He' s not a huge bust either. Yet they still got four starters that helped them win Superbowls. Plus Roberts who's been a decent ok player and Valentine who helped us till injuries seem to have killed him. Not my idea of low yield. They have 3 players from 2016 today. Never said it was a bad draft. Totally missing the point but I’m done trying to explain it; I’m obviously failing to articulate it. |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2019 13:00:38 GMT -5
RJP what do think an average draft is? You know amount of starters and back ups etc? You have a crazy high standard if 2016 is what you call a low yield draft. Two above average starters on Superbowl winning teams and two averagish starters on Superbowl winnings teams. Mitchell's injury sucks, but that's still a great pick. Brown has been a disappointment, yet was huge in a Superbowl run, part of another run. Maybe they keep him, maybe not. He' s not a huge bust either. Yet they still got four starters that helped them win Superbowls. Plus Roberts who's been a decent ok player and Valentine who helped us till injuries seem to have killed him. Not my idea of low yield. They have 3 players from 2016 today. Never said it was a bad draft. Totally missing the point but I’m done trying to explain it; I’m obviously failing to articulate it. Oh come on, keep trying. It's so much fun letting him win the 18 arguments he has going on at any point in time. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 13:14:22 GMT -5
They have 3 players from 2016 today. Never said it was a bad draft. Totally missing the point but I’m done trying to explain it; I’m obviously failing to articulate it. Oh come on, keep trying. It's so much fun letting him win the 18 arguments he has going on at any point in time. Wasn’t even supposed to be a hot take - thinking this was an important draft for the team. I don’t know what I was thinking. |
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Post by mobaz on Feb 15, 2019 13:18:07 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 13:35:05 GMT -5
This draft seems strong at DL and TE which is great for us. Not sure about WR compared to other years. I was down on the WRs before but I’m liking it more - still not in on a first round WR but I like some guys for the second round. I’d love it if one of the Clemson DL were there at the end of the first round or an Iowa TE |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2019 15:02:25 GMT -5
Wish I knew who was trying to cover him. Looks a bit like JBJ, but it's too far away. Definitely not an NFL DB. Such slow feet and hips. Kinda funny.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 15, 2019 15:12:08 GMT -5
This draft seems strong at DL and TE which is great for us. Not sure about WR compared to other years. I was down on the WRs before but I’m liking it more - still not in on a first round WR but I like some guys for the second round. I’d love it if one of the Clemson DL were there at the end of the first round or an Iowa TE I read that its got not the greatest crop for the first round but plenty of 2nd to 3rd round talent, which seems to lineup with what you're saying here. Which is fine because we only have one first rounder and a couple second and thirds! |
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Post by mobaz on Feb 15, 2019 15:57:43 GMT -5
I was down on the WRs before but I’m liking it more - still not in on a first round WR but I like some guys for the second round. I’d love it if one of the Clemson DL were there at the end of the first round or an Iowa TE I read that its got not the greatest crop for the first round but plenty of 2nd to 3rd round talent, which seems to lineup with what you're saying here. Which is fine because we only have one first rounder and a couple second and thirds! Sadly, our 2nd/3rd round receiver drafting record is best described as "dumpster fire" |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 16:19:06 GMT -5
I read that its got not the greatest crop for the first round but plenty of 2nd to 3rd round talent, which seems to lineup with what you're saying here. Which is fine because we only have one first rounder and a couple second and thirds! Sadly, our 2nd/3rd round receiver drafting record is best described as "dumpster fire" So is the rest of the draft for receivers... Branch was at least a second... but remember Bill sucked at corners too now we have a great young group. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2019 16:32:35 GMT -5
Wish I knew who was trying to cover him. Looks a bit like JBJ, but it's too far away. Definitely not an NFL DB. Such slow feet and hips. Kinda funny. Mookies footwork out of that break needs some work... Edelman wouldn’t be happy |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2019 16:40:35 GMT -5
Wish I knew who was trying to cover him. Looks a bit like JBJ, but it's too far away. Definitely not an NFL DB. Such slow feet and hips. Kinda funny. Mookies footwork out of that break needs some work... Edelman wouldn’t be happy Yeah and lets see what he can do if he gets jammed at the line! There's a lot of work to be done.  |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 15, 2019 17:55:43 GMT -5
Mookie could probably perfect the art of football in a day and then still have time Bowl a strike and hit 20 homeruns in batting practice lol. Maybe he'd have time for 5 beers after too.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2019 18:03:47 GMT -5
Mookie could probably perfect the art of football in a day and then still have time Bowl a strike and hit 20 homeruns in batting practice lol. Maybe he'd have time for 5 beers after too. He could even drink the beers first. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 17, 2019 8:15:34 GMT -5
They have 3 players from 2016 today. Never said it was a bad draft. Totally missing the point but I’m done trying to explain it; I’m obviously failing to articulate it. Oh come on, keep trying. It's so much fun letting him win the 18 arguments he has going on at any point in time. Reply of the year!!! 18 arguments LOL, he just never gives up, ever. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 17, 2019 8:29:12 GMT -5
Mookie could probably perfect the art of football in a day and then still have time Bowl a strike and hit 20 homeruns in batting practice lol. Maybe he'd have time for 5 beers after too. Mookie would die on a football field with that slight frame of his... lol |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 17, 2019 9:11:29 GMT -5
Oh come on, keep trying. It's so much fun letting him win the 18 arguments he has going on at any point in time. Reply of the year!!! 18 arguments LOL, he just never gives up, ever. Why should a person change their mind if they truly believe in something? I won't give up and I take pride in that. I post about topics I truly believe in. I'm not posting about every single topic all day long in 18 different threads. Good old debates that only turned into arguments when a certain poster flips his lid every single time. Like chill out smoke some weed because bitching about me while he's doing the same exact thing is rather crazy. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 17, 2019 9:43:39 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 17, 2019 11:17:35 GMT -5
Just to highlight one last time; I wasn’t judging their drafts the way you’re suggesting. |
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 17, 2019 11:22:02 GMT -5
Reply of the year!!! 18 arguments LOL, he just never gives up, ever. Why should a person change their mind if they truly believe in something? I won't give up and I take pride in that. I post about topics I truly believe in. I'm not posting about every single topic all day long in 18 different threads. Good old debates that only turned into arguments when a certain poster flips his lid every single time. Like chill out smoke some weed because bitching about me while he's doing the same exact thing is rather crazy. It's not that you won't change your mind. It's that you never STFU until you beat everyone into submission when they get to the point that they don't care about the argument anymore. You "win" arguments because people give up talking since it's obvious that you'll got on forever. It gets so old and you're trying to make the accepted views on soxprospects.com to be only your views and no one else's. Maybe you should just go write books where no one argues with you. |
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Post by digit on Feb 17, 2019 12:28:47 GMT -5
It's not that you won't change your mind. It's that you never STFU until you beat everyone into submission when they get to the point that they don't care about the argument anymore. You "win" arguments because people give up talking since it's obvious that you'll got on forever. It gets so old and you're trying to make the accepted views on soxprospects.com to be only your views and no one else's. Maybe you should just go write books where no one argues with you. This. A thousand times. Stopped by to see if things had gotten better with regard to readability. Guess not. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 17, 2019 14:10:07 GMT -5
The draft also looked very shaky in the fall when almost our whole class was injured. |
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