2019 Patriots Offseason Thread

Jim Irsay is still around... Kraft isn’t going anywhere.

Basically, no one is going to care about this. It will be news because it’s Kraft then it will go away in about a week or 2 then it will pop back up during any trial or settlement then go away and just come back in the form of a million jokes.

That's BS. Before Clemson destroyed Bama you might have had a point, then that. Kinda hard to call them overrated when Clemson just destroys Bama the top rated team with the most talent in College Football. There wasn't a team in the Country that wouldn't have been blown out the way they played. More like they were unlucky that they ran into a juggernaut team that played flawlessly. That might be the most impressive performance since the playoffs went to a 4 team format.

Why does Notre Dame need to join a conference? It's fully within the rules, heck they aren't the only independent team in College football. It literally gives them less margin for error as they need to go undefeated to get in. They can't bull a Bama who lost a game, didn't even play in its conference title game and still get in. Same with Ohio State, so don't give me you need to win a conference title game. Like if it's not hate then why? They schedule good teams every year, they have never once played a division 1 double A team like SEC teams play every year. I just don't see it. Heck last year they played Georgia crazy close, a team that beat Bama and almost beat them a second time for the Championship. They beat LSU in a bowl game last year. 

In the least surprising follow up, Bart Scott thinks they should have all of their draft picks stripped. God, he's pathetic.

Speaking of picks, Schefter reporting that NE is getting 2 3rds and 6th and a 7th as comp picks. Slightly worse than projections as many had that 6th as a 5th.

A real player don't mind all that noise, there's no space for logic. He wanted some action and he wanted it NOW. Good for Kraft, I hope I get to 100 years old like him still rocking it.

So your saying your a fan after you keep slamming them? Like everytime you get a chance. I could care less if you don't like them, but don't tell me your a fan.

Pitt was in the ACC championship game and beat a ranked team, not my idea of a walk over game. Every team will face bad teams, not every team plays division 1 AA teams. Teams with no NFL talent and literally no chance to beat you. Difference from an easy win to a cupcake win that your second unit could win. None of those teams that Notre Dame played are division 1 AA. 

I think you’re talking to yourself again, considering I haven’t slammed them at all today. This started because I made a sarcastic joke, smiley face and all about a post you made from a self describe Notre Dame fanatic to back up you jot being the only one thinking the TE was going to break out in the NFL. Simple joke - nothing to do with the school. You then extrapolated that simple comment into me hating Notre Dame...

I didn’t say I was a super fan just that I rooted for them to win their games and wanted them to win the playoffs. I’m a sucker for tradition and would love to see them be a power house again - they just aren’t. Every time they get hyped they come up short. That’s just a fact. Hence the comment about them getting over-rated.

You’re saying there is No way that he could not be aware that the women he was involved with were trafficked and sex slaves? Based off of what? That’s a ridiculous claim based on what is known unless you have more evidence of it. Based on your post it doesn’t seem like your buddy has any inside info. If it turns out to be true, then it’s a god awful act and everything we know of Kraft will be flipped on its head but that’s a massive and reckless leap.


Seedy massage parlor exist everywhere. There’s like 6 in Quincy alone. I will give you this; The reality is that if you participate in any type of prostitution you are helping the sex slave industry simply by creating a demand for it. You also, could inadvertently and unknowingly come across people in this situation or other bad situation like abusive pimps etc. Now if you’re friend is saying Kraft would know this generality then that may be true but it’s hardly the same thing as suggesting that he was purposely going to a place where he knew the women were slaves. There are a lot of places with willing female participants who are not sexual slaves.

I’m saying the best he could claim was willful, calculated ignorance.

Recent comments "Played crappy schedule the last couple years" "exposed as frauds" "Crappy offense" "Notre Dame has just gotten over rated the last couple of years" "Time for them to join a conference" to go along with what you said on Mack.  If I'm wrong my bad, but that doesn't come close to sounding like a fan.

They haven't come close to playing a crappy schedule the last two years. Like based on what? Exposed as frauds for back to back top 10 finishes? The best since Holtz was there. Biggest bowl win since Holtz was here last year against LSU. What the #3 team losing to the best team in the Country by less than Bama makes them frauds? They were 3 vs. 2, and expected to loose. It looked bad before Clemson destroyed the most talented team in the Country by a huge Margin. If your a fan how does joining a conference help them? The ability of having a more open schedule helps them recruit from coast to coast. They can play a Syracuse at Yankee Stadium then go play USC the next week. Notre Dame doesn't have a lot of in state talent to recruit, it has to be able to recruit nationally. Playing all over the Country every year helps make that possible. It allows us to keep playing traditional opponents like Navy. Nevermind the one conference that even makes sense won't help Notre Dame at all over the 6 games a year they already play.

Again my bad if I was mistaken, yet your comments read like every other Notre Dame hater on the internet and there are a crap load of them. They say exactly what you have been saying. Notre Dame fans are pissed off. No matter what we do, its we suck, your overrated, frauds, etc because we haven't won a championship. After the mess since Holtz left we are more than happy to be a team that once again has a chance if things break our way. Like Clemson getting two crazy good QBs finally got them over the hill. Unlike 2012 we aren't a slower, smaller less athletic team than the top teams. We are thrilled with where the program is at after Bob Davies and Charlie Weis.

That’s exactly what I mean by willful ignorance. I have little doubt that Kraft must’ve discussed this place with buddies. Hell, Trump has a home nearby. I doubt he only went once. Frequent a place like that, and almost assuredly talk about it with friends, and the nature of the business is bound to come up. Surrounded there by Chinese women who don’t speak English, at some level there’s got to be a personal internal monologue about it. Who are they? Are they here legally? Do they even want to be here? Unless one is irrevocably obtuse, I’m sure they’d entertain those questions, and notice that these women aren’t doing what they’re doing of their own free will. Human beings do a lot of nonverbal communication...enslaved women are guaranteed to project submissively (which is probably part of the draw for these guys), and they’re probably also displaying signs of verbal, emotional, and even physical abuse. Not “seeing” that, no matter what you say, simply isn’t a reality. Humans are *hard-wired* to pickup on those cues. It’s simply a fact. So “missing” those cues, unless a person has a pervasive developmental disorder on the autism spectrum, is a choice. Ignoring the situation is a choice. And continuing to frequent the establishment, in spite of it all, is a choice. People make choices every day to do things they know will hurt others, and the calculus in their mind says that in order to get what they want, it’s worth it. And we all do it, and go through some degree of mental gymnastics to rationalize it and still feel like we’re good people. That’s willful ignorance. And in this case, *at best* Kraft can claim that willful ignorance, but he’s still going to pay the price for his actions. And plenty of people will rally behind him, just like you are, and rationalize it away, minimize it, etc. No person can be defined as “good” or “bad” by a single instance...we’re all the sum of what we put out in the world. Kraft’s done a lot of good, philanthropically. But the idea that this is a non-issue is exactly what human traffickers depend on to stay in business in the first place.