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2019 Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 19:10:31 GMT -5
I worry about signing Tatum and Brown long-term. Like no one wants to sign or stay in Boston nowadays. That's what crap REALLY starts going down hill. Just pack it in then Danny Ainge has the hardest job in the world to get these guys to stay. Heck, Pierce was this close to leaving until the Garnett and Allen trades.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 19, 2019 20:19:25 GMT -5
The situation with Tatum and Brown will be different. Unlike 3rd contracts, it DOES make sense to sign an extension prior to free agency. If they reject your offer (especially if it's a max) then it's pretty clear they dont want to be here and you trade them.
The fact that we are now just assuming that all players are going to want to leave is . . . Something.
And the value signings I was referring to would be to compliment a larger move. You need those guys too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2019 20:39:40 GMT -5
The situation with Tatum and Brown will be different. Unlike 3rd contracts, it DOES make sense to sign an extension prior to free agency. If they reject your offer (especially if it's a max) then it's pretty clear they dont want to be here and you trade them. The fact that we are now just assuming that all players are going to want to leave is . . . Something. And the value signings I was referring to would be to compliment a larger move. You need those guys too. The Celtics best hope is restricted free agency if they don't want to sign a deal prior and the Celtics just match salaries on the highest offer they get. Durant didn't come here. Kyrie left. Anthony Davis wanted no part of Boston. DeMarcus Cousins didn't come here. The only 2 guys that chose Boston was Horford (who came because they offered the most money) and Hayward (because his former coach is here).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 19, 2019 21:06:34 GMT -5
More stuff coming out about Irving's reportedly toxic relationship with Jaylen. Add Tatum and Rozier and you have toxic Kyrie. Good riddance ..
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Post by philarhody on Jun 19, 2019 22:53:04 GMT -5
I would sign Brogdon to a max deal
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Post by bcpatsox18 on Jun 19, 2019 23:19:20 GMT -5
We need to sign D’angelo Russell, he was better than kyrie this past season and with the horford exit we have the space to max him out. 22, with a coach in brad Stevens that makes every PG an all star (save kyrie who thinks he’s a mix of Michael Jordan and Plato) the sky is the limit for DLo here. A core of jaylen, jayson, and DLo going forward is solid as can be. Supplement with bringing back the king in the fourth and trading up for bol bol, along with time lord, I think we’re in good shape to contend in a year or two
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 19, 2019 23:47:13 GMT -5
I would sign Brogdon to a max deal Not sure the Bucks would allow that, Brodgon is clearly poised for a ridiculous breakout season.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 20, 2019 5:11:24 GMT -5
I'm glad the Sox are off on tonight. Biggest night of the off-season for the now building Celtics. There might be 3 trades within the first 10 picks.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 20, 2019 5:35:45 GMT -5
Who is offering 4 yrs $100 mil to horford? What do the Celtic's do with the 3 picks in the first round? What FA's do the Celtic's go after?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2019 5:48:38 GMT -5
Who is offering 4 yrs $100 mil to horford? What do the Celtic's do with the 3 picks in the first round? What FA's do the Celtic's go after? Hard to say but rumors are it’s one of the LA teams or Dallas. They will make their picks because they won’t be able to make a trade. I just hope they come away with Okeke and other than that I trust Danny to find players. Hopefully they go after Russel or Randle - Is rather Randle. If he continues to extend his range out deep he can turn into a borderline star. Worth the shot because his floor is still really good and he can pass so he can handle a lot of the Horford responsibilities on offense.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 20, 2019 5:59:50 GMT -5
I wonder if Garland doesn't go at 4, if the Celtics will try and get him at pick number 5 with the Cavs?
He's rumored to have a promise at number 6 with Pheonix.
This is all assuming no one else trades up and grabs him at number 4.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2019 6:38:47 GMT -5
I wonder if Garland doesn't go at 4, if the Celtics will try and get him at pick number 5 with the Cavs? He's rumored to have a promise at number 6 with Pheonix. This is all assuming no one else trades up and grabs him at number 4. I don’t think they can trade up to 5. I wouldn’t be too happy if they dealt that Memphis pick to get there.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 20, 2019 7:11:56 GMT -5
We need to sign D’angelo Russell, he was better than kyrie this past season and with the horford exit we have the space to max him out. 22, with a coach in brad Stevens that makes every PG an all star (save kyrie who thinks he’s a mix of Michael Jordan and Plato) the sky is the limit for DLo here. A core of jaylen, jayson, and DLo going forward is solid as can be. Supplement with bringing back the king in the fourth and trading up for bol bol, along with time lord, I think we’re in good shape to contend in a year or two I’m not sure DRuss was as good as Kyrie. He was just as ball dominant but not nearly as efficient.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 20, 2019 7:13:20 GMT -5
I would sign Brogdon to a max deal Not sure the Bucks would allow that, Brodgon is clearly poised for a ridiculous breakout season. True, but you gotta try
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2019 8:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2019 8:59:51 GMT -5
Brodgon in my eyes is that Classic guy RJP always talks about that you overpay if you don't have cap space. Not a guy I'd want to give a max deal to. He's older, going into his age 27 season so I don't know how much better he'll get. A guy like Giannis got him a lot of open shots. Plus he's missed lot of games the last two years, including the start of the playoffs two years in a row. Plus unless the Bucks owner is crazy cheap they should and likely will match the offer. They can't replace him if he leaves.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2019 10:07:17 GMT -5
Not sure the Bucks would allow that, Brodgon is clearly poised for a ridiculous breakout season. True, but you gotta try They let you sign him to a max deal. It’s too much money.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2019 10:10:52 GMT -5
I feel like they shouldn’t have to attach anything to Baynes to get a team to take his contract. It should be one of those deals where you get a protected second that will never convey
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Post by tizzle on Jun 20, 2019 10:31:53 GMT -5
I feel like they shouldn’t have to attach anything to Baynes to get a team to take his contract. It should be one of those deals where you get a protected second that will never convey He's a good player at a reasonable salary. The problem is, he's only worth acquiring for a contender. And then it would have to be a contender with the cap space they didn't want to use elsewhere and a need for a player like Baynes. The only contenders I can think of with the space to add him are Utah and Denver (trade exemptions). Both those teams obviously have elite Centers. But maybe they could use Baynes as a back-up or whatever.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2019 10:32:51 GMT -5
NBAdraft.net who last year got 16 picks right. Is saying Danny loves Johnson, Bol, Clarke, and Paschall.
14. Going with Washington if he's there, yet a bunch of Mocks have him gone. After him flip a coin really I can't decide between Clarke, NAW, Herro, heck even Bitadze if you move Baynes. Do you swing for the fences with Langford, Porter Jr., or Bol? Does a player we don't expect drop?
I need to know Danny's plan for free agency, because I don't really see any difference in the players. It almost comes down to need. You want a PF, combo guard, SG, or C? All four fit our style as guys that play team ball unlike Langford and Porter who are Gunslinger types. If no Washington I'd likely take Clarke, as a guy that might be a day one starter right now.
20. Obviously if any of those guys are available. Yet I've circled back to Keldon Johnson. He'll need a little time, yet he plays Celtic type Basketball and his upside is higher than a lot of people think.
Lots of Mocks have Bol going here and that makes sense, wouldn't complain one bit. Yet he's crazy risky and Danny has always leaned towards safer picks. You could add guys like Kabengele, Windler, and even Fernando here depending what happens at 14.
22. I take Okeke, just love the guy and this seems like a value pick at this point. Paschall isn't the worst pick. He's an NBA ready big that is crazy safe and can do a lot of things we need, yet he doesn't have Okeke upside.
A crazy pick could be Edwards or Ponds, two smaller PGs, but they can just flat out score. Given this team it's not crazy to add a player like that, just unlikely.
51. Considering I don't think they go crazy, I focus on a scorer here. Nowell is a guy I love, nice combo guard, can shoot, create his shot. Like his only negatives are turnovers and he's slightly undersized for a SG.
Tons of other guys like Waters who's crazy small but a heck of a PG, Lecque is the ultimate young upside guy, Omi, Boone, or if you wanted an unathletic SG that is a great shooter Norvell. Also Terrance Davis had two workouts. Yet it's so wide open it could litterally be one of 30 players. There's going to be a lot of undrafted guys that end up playing in the NBA.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2019 10:44:40 GMT -5
I feel like they shouldn’t have to attach anything to Baynes to get a team to take his contract. It should be one of those deals where you get a protected second that will never convey Maybe in a normal year, but cap space is at a premium right now and so many teams are trying to get more. Nevermind the fact this dropped right before the draft, when they can use those picks to move him. Like you'd have zero issues trading him, it's the trading him to get cap space. I'd love to think a second rounder does it, yet in this climate I almost feel you'd have to like trade down from 22, something like that. Which given this draft isn't a huge price and it would save you more money.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 20, 2019 11:32:35 GMT -5
Brodgon in my eyes is that Classic guy RJP always talks about that you overpay if you don't have cap space. Not a guy I'd want to give a max deal to. He's older, going into his age 27 season so I don't know how much better he'll get. A guy like Giannis got him a lot of open shots. Plus he's missed lot of games the last two years, including the start of the playoffs two years in a row. Plus unless the Bucks owner is crazy cheap they should and likely will match the offer. They can't replace him if he leaves. You're seriously underrating how good of a shooter Brogdon is, and his vertical game towards the hoop is also stellar. He would be a significant upgrade over everyone currently on our roster and would fit incredibly with Tatum and Brown. If anything, I think Brogdon is probably going to improve handling the ball more often and not being the 3rd-4th option. But like I said, I doubt the Bucks would allow it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 20, 2019 11:39:57 GMT -5
I feel like they shouldn’t have to attach anything to Baynes to get a team to take his contract. It should be one of those deals where you get a protected second that will never convey He's a good player at a reasonable salary. The problem is, he's only worth acquiring for a contender. And then it would have to be a contender with the cap space they didn't want to use elsewhere and a need for a player like Baynes. The only contenders I can think of with the space to add him are Utah and Denver (trade exemptions). Both those teams obviously have elite Centers. But maybe they could use Baynes as a back-up or whatever. Denver could make a lot of sense. Baynes adding a respectable 3 pointer should make him a lot more attractive. I really don’t like the idea of losing him but this is the NBA and it’s probably necessary based on where they Celtics are at.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2019 11:54:04 GMT -5
I don't disagree Brogdon is a good fit, it's the max contract I don't see him close to worth that. I also don't see a guy that will get crazy better if you move him up the pecking order either. Like go look at his stats against the Raptors, he was basically #2 in that series, only two less FG attempts than Middleton and his numbers were down across the board. He struggled against a good defensive team. Some guys take off when givens bigger role, other guys lose efficiency. Just my two cents but his perfect role is as a 3/4 where other guys create and he spaces the floor and gets open looks.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 20, 2019 12:17:49 GMT -5
NBAdraft.net who last year got 16 picks right. Is saying Danny loves Johnson, Bol, Clarke, and Paschall. 14. Going with Washington if he's there, yet a bunch of Mocks have him gone. After him flip a coin really I can't decide between Clarke, NAW, Herro, heck even Bitadze if you move Baynes. Do you swing for the fences with Langford, Porter Jr., or Bol? Does a player we don't expect drop? I need to know Danny's plan for free agency, because I don't really see any difference in the players. It almost comes down to need. You want a PF, combo guard, SG, or C? All four fit our style as guys that play team ball unlike Langford and Porter who are Gunslinger types. If no Washington I'd likely take Clarke, as a guy that might be a day one starter right now. 20. Obviously if any of those guys are available. Yet I've circled back to Keldon Johnson. He'll need a little time, yet he plays Celtic type Basketball and his upside is higher than a lot of people think. Lots of Mocks have Bol going here and that makes sense, wouldn't complain one bit. Yet he's crazy risky and Danny has always leaned towards safer picks. You could add guys like Kabengele, Windler, and even Fernando here depending what happens at 14. 22. I take Okeke, just love the guy and this seems like a value pick at this point. Paschall isn't the worst pick. He's an NBA ready big that is crazy safe and can do a lot of things we need, yet he doesn't have Okeke upside. A crazy pick could be Edwards or Ponds, two smaller PGs, but they can just flat out score. Given this team it's not crazy to add a player like that, just unlikely. 51. Considering I don't think they go crazy, I focus on a scorer here. Nowell is a guy I love, nice combo guard, can shoot, create his shot. Like his only negatives are turnovers and he's slightly undersized for a SG. Tons of other guys like Waters who's crazy small but a heck of a PG, Lecque is the ultimate young upside guy, Omi, Boone, or if you wanted an unathletic SG that is a great shooter Norvell. Also Terrance Davis had two workouts. Yet it's so wide open it could litterally be one of 30 players. There's going to be a lot of undrafted guys that end up playing in the NBA. I think Danny and the gang look very carefully into possible team chemistry. With the first 2 picks I see some combo of Bitadze, Clarke, Washington or kabengale. The last pick I think carson or the virginia point guard. Team d and making outside shots. No chances taken on Bol or porter.
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