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2019 Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2019 12:22:36 GMT -5
www.tankathon.com/pick_oddsOver 44% chance we get Grizz pick, less than 4% Kings pick moves up and we get it. Overall as you can see the odds are crazy this year. Draft lottery is Tuesday and draft is like a month after that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 12, 2019 9:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on May 12, 2019 11:50:51 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Kyrie is open to playing with the Lakers. If the reports are accurate and he even considered it, then f*ck this sh*t, don't even make an effort to bring him back. Don't talk to him, don't extend a contract, don't do anything. If he did that after all that went through, he should be dead to this franchise and it would be better to just move on.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 12, 2019 12:22:57 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Kyrie is open to playing with the Lakers. If the reports are accurate and he even considered it, then f*ck this sh*t, don't even make an effort to bring him back. Don't talk to him, don't extend a contract, don't do anything. If he did that after all that went through, he should be dead to this franchise and it would be better to just move on. He's going to be rumored to be going everywhere Don. Welcome to the storm that is NBA free agency. It'll be over by July 1rst. At least it doesn't drag out like MLB free agency. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 12, 2019 14:31:18 GMT -5
basketball.realgm.com/analysis/253464/The-Maximum-Available-2019-Cap-Space-for-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-20In all reality Irving doesn't have many options. Not a ton of teams with cap space, a bunch that have it aren't a good fit and other would need to renounce have their players. For example Boston can get Max space, but it won't happen without trading Hayward. They would never renounce everyone, no one would want to play on that team. So what makes sense? The Knicks, Lakers, and is there a third team? I've heard the Nets, but you'd have to renounce Russell or make a trade. Even then Russell and Irving would be a horrible pairing. The Clippers make zero sense from a fit view. It really comes down to the Knicks, Lakers, and Celtics. Knicks would need to get KD or Leonard, maybe some lottery luck. Yet while I like their young talent, it's years behind our guys. It's the youngest team in the league. The Lakers would have LeBron, and their young guys, who I again like, but have shown less than our young guys. They just haven't been able to win. The wild card being those teams trading for Davis, but who knows with a new GM what happens.
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Post by texs31 on May 13, 2019 14:03:41 GMT -5
And now comes the speculation that Stevens will WANT to leave to be the HC at Michigan.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 14, 2019 3:56:55 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 14, 2019 11:28:02 GMT -5
The article I saw, said they have liked Rozier for a year plus. Trying to trade for him twice before and that he's a fall back instead of Irving or if they get Davis and Durant, crap like that.
I really want to know what Danny was offered for Rozier. It's why if Irving leaves no way he lets Rozier walk. He turned down a bunch of trades in the off-season, offered him a 12 million per year extension and then turned down more offers at the deadline when you could make a great case it made perfect sense to make a move.
Would really love to know Danny's thought process on Rozier, because he doesn't fit with Irving. I'm a huge Rozier guy, but would have moved him in the off-season if I got a big offer. Makes you wonder if Danny knew Irving might not be long for the Celtics.
NBA draft lottery tonight at 8:30 pm.
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Post by texs31 on May 14, 2019 15:48:35 GMT -5
Terry not talking like someone who thinks hes got a shot at staying in Boston.
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Post by texs31 on May 14, 2019 19:54:14 GMT -5
1 NOP
2 MEM
3 NYK
4 LAL
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Post by Don Caballero on May 14, 2019 21:11:16 GMT -5
Well, f*ck, our Memphis pick just got a lot less valuable.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 14, 2019 21:30:59 GMT -5
Yea they likely don't rebuild now.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 14, 2019 22:04:19 GMT -5
Yea they likely don't rebuild now. Do you think they draft Ja and trade Conley or do they go for RJ Barrett? If they do the former (and that seems more logical), there's still a chance they aren't quite ready next season and the pick could still be good. But then they would have a fantastic young core and they wouldn't stay bad for another season after that, so it better convey on the next draft. |
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Post by texs31 on May 14, 2019 22:11:20 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they? Morant has taken over as #2 by most. Trade MC and build around Ja and JJJ
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Post by Don Caballero on May 14, 2019 22:21:58 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they? Morant has taken over as #2 by most. Trade MC and build around Ja and JJJ It's the most likely scenario by far, but Barrett is also a really good prospect. It could happen but yeah, Ja is probably too great to pass on. He would be #1 pick material if not for Zion. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 15, 2019 0:51:41 GMT -5
Yea they likely don't rebuild now. Do you think they draft Ja and trade Conley or do they go for RJ Barrett? If they do the former (and that seems more logical), there's still a chance they aren't quite ready next season and the pick could still be good. But then they would have a fantastic young core and they wouldn't stay bad for another season after that, so it better convey on the next draft. I don't think they know what they'll do. Way too early for that given they didn't think they'd be picking high. Barrett is the perfect fit though. Is Ja a tier above? Like as a Celtic fan you hope they rebuild and trade Conley. Yet I'm always a glass half empty guy in these situations and I liked the talent at 9, with the easy path to move up a few spots as needed. So this sucks for me and I look at it what's the worst thing they can do? Not rebuild and take Barrett as SF is by far thier biggest need. Make a run next year, unload the pick and then see if you continue or rebuild. Conley, Jackson, Barrett, and JV is a solid team. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 15, 2019 4:30:47 GMT -5
This draft lottery was a disaster in terms of the Memphis pick potentially, but the good news is that New York didn't end up with the first pick.
The real question is if the Lakers have enough now with that number 4 pick (that looks like a gift from David Stern by the way), and whatever else they got is enough to convince NOP to trade Anthony Davis to them.
The path is now there however to get Anthony Davis if the Celtics want him. Tatum is the best player now in any package heading to New Orleans. Of course maybe AD stays in New Orleans, but I doubt it with the way he came out last winter.
Tatum and Hayward and two first round picks (the Celtics picks, not Mephis pick).
Sign and trade Al Horford to the Warriors for KD.
Resign Kyrie.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 15, 2019 4:35:13 GMT -5
New Orleans would probably love Randle, Tatum, Williamson, and build around that for years.
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Post by wcp3 on May 15, 2019 7:15:44 GMT -5
Terry not talking like someone who thinks hes got a shot at staying in Boston. I will not miss him one iota. Like Zach Lowe has said on numerous occasions, he’s just not very good. |
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Post by voiceofreason on May 15, 2019 7:23:57 GMT -5
Terry not talking like someone who thinks hes got a shot at staying in Boston. I will not miss him one iota. Like Zach Lowe has said on numerous occasions, he’s just not very good. Or that smart after his espn interview yesterday. |
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Post by voiceofreason on May 15, 2019 7:27:52 GMT -5
I am glad the C's still have the Memphis pick for next year or the following. Chances are good that pick will end up being worth more than a 9, 10, 11 this year. Not to mention 2 firsts next year is better than 4 this year.
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Post by swingingbunt on May 15, 2019 8:00:42 GMT -5
I really don't get the "Memphis pick was a disaster" thing. That pick had like a 45% chance of conveying at 9, and with the Lakers moving up it was all but guaranteed. Conveying at 9 would have been a "disaster".... Them getting the pick at 2? Hell, that might convince them to trade Conley and go full rebuild and they might lose even more games next year.
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Post by texs31 on May 15, 2019 9:17:51 GMT -5
Worse than if they had just stayed put but not a disaster on paper. I'm guessing we're just gun shy after the year Sacramento had.
LAL getting a better asset to add to a Davis package is worse.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 15, 2019 11:01:11 GMT -5
Well the Grizz have always been a well run team that wants to win. They were on the fence about a full on rebuild, they didn't trade Conley and all there trades got back veteran players like JV and Bradley. Per the rumors last year given Conley's age and contract they weren't getting a lot for him. So they were trading him to bottom out. To get another elite talent to add to Jackson. They were just handed an elite talent as this draft looks to have three guys and they can pick from two of them now. Barrett is a perfect fit for them.
After the trades and the guys they got, the team played really well. You owe the Celtics a pick, top six next year, unprotected the year after. So what do you do? Blow up the team increasing the odds the Celtics get a high pick or roll out a lineup that stands a good chance of being closer to a playoff team than lottery team? Conley, JV, Jackson, Bradley, and Barrett is like the old School Grizz teams built on D and a true center. It's right there talent wise with the Clippers and Kings. Heck add a couple free agents and they could be next year's Clippers team.
Heck even if they want Ja, it would still make a ton of sense not to rebuild unless some team makes a big offer for Conley and that seems unlikely. Have him learn from Conley for a year, heck maybe try out the Portland system of playing two PGs. Give the Celtics the pick and then rebuild if it doesn't work out knowing you get to keep your pick. I just don't see how the Grizz adding an elite talent is anything but a disaster. The reason teams tank is to get those elite guys. NBA teams aren't stupid and the Grizz will do everything in there power to make sure they don't hand us a good pick, that is just common sense. Now they just went from getting a raw rookie like Reddish to a guy who could be rookie of the year. Our best chance at getting a better pick now is injuries. Bad day for the Celtics, that pick just lost half it's value. Can easily go from certain people not wanting pick 9 and 10 to getting a pick in the late teens.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 15, 2019 11:02:27 GMT -5
I don't think they know what they'll do. Way too early for that given they didn't think they'd be picking high. Barrett is the perfect fit though. Is Ja a tier above? Like as a Celtic fan you hope they rebuild and trade Conley. Yet I'm always a glass half empty guy in these situations and I liked the talent at 9, with the easy path to move up a few spots as needed. So this sucks for me and I look at it what's the worst thing they can do? Not rebuild and take Barrett as SF is by far thier biggest need. Make a run next year, unload the pick and then see if you continue or rebuild. Conley, Jackson, Barrett, and JV is a solid team. Barrett absolutely is a better fit and it could put them in playoff contention in a way that Ja probably wouldn't considering they'd have to trade Conley. There's also a chance they suck so bad this year that their pick remains protected next season, and at that point a core of Ja, Jackson, JV and a top 5 pick would probably make the playoffs or get really close to it. Either way we got boned. Wouldn't have minded to see the Kings pick surge into top 5 territory like the Lakers did, but honestly at this point it feels like everything is going against us. |
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