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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2019 14:07:35 GMT -5
A 1st vs a 2nd does provide a level of cap savings in that there is no hold in place for the latter. But they are not free. You still have to pay them and use the traditional cap mechanisms to do so (space or exceptions). You just can wait until all of your other business is done first. With 1sts, the hold is on the books until their contract is. Either way, they take up space. Did they change the rules? You only need space or exceptions to give him more than a two year minimum deal. Like we could use all our cap space and still sign Edwards and Waters not using any exceptions. You use cap space to get 3-4 years deals so you get full bird rights and more control. Every second round pick should thank Gilbert Arenas for that one. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2019 14:09:33 GMT -5
That might be true UMASS. Never knew the details on that one. Just saw a lot of cap folks saying that they'd need to use exception or space on Edwards. Of course, that may be bc they want to get the 3-4 yr deal for him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2019 14:16:13 GMT -5
It's almost never done anymore, I think Thomas Bryant is the only guy in the last three drafts to sign a two year minimum deal, but you see why because the Wizards are very limited in keeping him now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 27, 2019 14:18:25 GMT -5
Boston is going to guarantee Semi's salary, so I think that might have to be part of the equation?
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2019 14:20:45 GMT -5
It's almost never done anymore, I think Thomas Bryant is the only guy in the last three drafts to sign a two year minimum deal, but you see why because the Wizards are very limited in keeping him now. It's really the Lakers as the acquired him from the Jazz at the draft and signed him to his deal. Then they waived him and Washington claimed him. BTW - quietly awful trade by the Jazz. Rights to Bryant and Josh Hart to LAL for rights to Tony Bradley. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2019 14:21:30 GMT -5
Boston is going to guarantee Semi's salary, so I think that might have to be part of the equation? All the numbers I have been using were based on Semi being retained. Now makes his full cap hit eligible for matching in a trade (or just to be in the rotation, of course). |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 27, 2019 14:25:40 GMT -5
Philly is in danger of losing BOTH Harris and Butler. Wow that’d be something,
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 27, 2019 14:26:15 GMT -5
A 1st vs a 2nd does provide a level of cap savings in that there is no hold in place for the latter. But they are not free. You still have to pay them and use the traditional cap mechanisms to do so (space or exceptions). You just can wait until all of your other business is done first. With 1sts, the hold is on the books until their contract is. Either way, they take up space. Did they change the rules? You only need space or exceptions to give him more than a two year minimum deal. Like we could use all our cap space and still sign Edwards and Waters not using any exceptions. You use cap space to get 3-4 years deals so you get full bird rights and more control. Every second round pick should thank Gilbert Arenas for that one. Pretty sure you can always sign anyone to a minimum deal. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2019 14:29:44 GMT -5
Meanwhile, C's have hired Kara Lawson as an assistant, per Woj. Really like the hire. When I've listened to her, she really knows the game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 27, 2019 15:18:35 GMT -5
I just can't wait until the board blames Kemba Walker for the same stuff Kyrie had a problem with in Boston. Kemba "not playing team ball."
Maybe he can adjust better, but Kemba took the third most shots in the league last year. He's a guy that always looks for his shot first while playing on the court, at least that was the case with the Hornets.
You just won't have the distractions of Kyrie behind the scenes with Walker.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2019 15:21:22 GMT -5
Did they change the rules? You only need space or exceptions to give him more than a two year minimum deal. Like we could use all our cap space and still sign Edwards and Waters not using any exceptions. You use cap space to get 3-4 years deals so you get full bird rights and more control. Every second round pick should thank Gilbert Arenas for that one. Pretty sure you can always sign anyone to a minimum deal. No you can't, not first rounders for example that is the value of second round picks you don't need cap space or exceptions. The Lakers traded for Horton-Tucker for that reason. Only brought it up because you just said we needed cap space or exceptions to sign Edwards. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2019 15:37:31 GMT -5
If I understood rjp he was just clarifying our quick discussions about signing 2nd rounders. If it's a minimum deal (just like any other minimum deal though the number changes per yrs in the league), no space is needed. Beyond that, space or exception.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 27, 2019 15:51:16 GMT -5
Pretty sure you can always sign anyone to a minimum deal. No you can't, not first rounders for example that is the value of second round picks you don't need cap space or exceptions. The Lakers traded for Horton-Tucker for that reason. Only brought it up because you just said we needed cap space or exceptions to sign Edwards. Yea first rounders are slotted— i thought it was understood they weren’t part of the discussion - my bad |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 27, 2019 17:28:23 GMT -5
I personally love the Kemba Walker signing, if anything, I'll be entertained next year. Kemba has the most unguardable step back in the league and he's a talented shot maker. He's got a lot of moves to create plays on offense. He's a little older for my liking, but he might be as talented as Kyrie, so that's a heck of a consolation prize for losing Kyrie.
At least you can say you came away with something after all this mess of a season. Hopefully no more headaches personality wise this year too. Also, BYE "Scary Terry." Wish I could see your reaction when the team that drafted you doesn't value you as you see yourself in this league. Have fun adjusting to a bench role somewhere else and complaining about that too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 27, 2019 17:30:59 GMT -5
Does anyone think Favors has a chance to be signed for the mid level exception?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 27, 2019 19:02:37 GMT -5
Does anyone think Favors has a chance to be signed for the mid level exception? Doubt it - word is Al Jefferson will be available and coming with Kemba... can’t believe he’s only 33 |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 27, 2019 19:06:06 GMT -5
Does anyone think Favors has a chance to be signed for the mid level exception? Doubt it - word is Al Jefferson will be available and coming with Kemba... can’t believe he’s only 33 Lol, Al Jefferson. Now that's a name that makes me smile and laugh at the same time. That would be a welcoming sight. Big Al back. I feel like a teenager again in that case. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 27, 2019 19:46:28 GMT -5
I personally love the Kemba Walker signing, if anything, I'll be entertained next year. Kemba has the most unguardable step back in the league and he's a talented shot maker. He's got a lot of moves to create plays on offense. He's a little older for my liking, but he might be as talented as Kyrie, so that's a heck of a consolation prize for losing Kyrie. At least you can say you came away with something after all this mess of a season. Hopefully no more headaches personality wise this year too. Also, BYE "Scary Terry." Wish I could see your reaction when the team that drafted you doesn't value you as you see yourself in this league. Have fun adjusting to a bench role somewhere else and complaining about that too. If Kemba is even close to Irving in terms of talent and swapping the two out gets the team to average levels of team chemistry then this would be a huge step forward. Getting Hayward back to All-Star level is a bigger thing for me, but having a team that plays well together makes it easier to root for, sure. Yeah he's close to Kyrie's level of play. Kyrie is still more intriguing because of the age, talent, and unique ball handle. He's a prima dona though, and that's tough to deal with if no one else in the team buys in around him. Kyrie just needs a player on his team that's better than him to make his game better. It wasn't happening here, so yeah BYE Kyrie too. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2019 5:28:22 GMT -5
Stephen A. Smith said the Lakers might be a last minute player for Kemba, so look out for that until Sunday comes (hopefully it doesn't come).
One last thing on Kemba and the signing. It's awesome that he is (seemingly) falling into the Celtics' laps. Mavs seem like more players on Horford. Lakers want to pursue multiple options first.
The Celtics just seem the most eager and willing team to offer the most money first and show him that he's their number one target from day one. I don't think the Celtics have this easy of a time signing Kemba in any other free agent year. This free agency is certainly a unique one for sure.
He's going to be worth this contract from start to finish. Only a 4 year deal starting at age 29? Like that's unbelievable value for a guy this good. I wish MLB free agency was set up more like this. There's virtually no downside to this contract, outside of a career threatening injury (see Hayward example).
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 28, 2019 6:57:37 GMT -5
141 million for 4 years ..an "easy...signing"..."unbelievable value"
Money, money, money... in the rich man's world
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 28, 2019 7:00:12 GMT -5
Stephen A. Smith said the Lakers might be a last minute player for Kemba, so look out for that until Sunday comes (hopefully it doesn't come). One last thing on Kemba and the signing. It's awesome that he is (seemingly) falling into the Celtics' laps. Mavs seem like more players on Horford. Lakers want to pursue multiple options first. The Celtics just seem the most eager and willing team to offer the most money first and show him that he's their number one target from day one. I don't think the Celtics have this easy of a time signing Kemba in any other free agent year. This free agency is certainly a unique one for sure. He's going to be worth this contract from start to finish. Only a 4 year deal starting at age 29? Like that's unbelievable value for a guy this good. I wish MLB free agency was set up more like this. There's virtually no downside to this contract, outside of a career threatening injury (see Hayward example). A couple things.... Kemba and Tatum are supposedly business partners. Gordon Hayward signed an offer sheet with the Hornets years ago, in part to play with Kemba bc supposedly they are pretty close... Not saying those things are why he’d want to sign here but there are strong connections to Guys on the team. |
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Post by rjw on Jun 28, 2019 7:02:43 GMT -5
141 million for 4 years ..an "easy...signing"..."unbelievable value" Money, money, money... in the rich man's world Love the ABBA reference, sarasoxer. I'm not embarrassed to say I used to like them back in the 70's. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2019 7:16:05 GMT -5
Does anyone think Favors has a chance to be signed for the mid level exception? Doubt it - word is Al Jefferson will be available and coming with Kemba... can’t believe he’s only 33 He just retired a few months ago after not playing last year. Like is this a rumor or legit? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2019 7:50:07 GMT -5
Does anyone think Favors has a chance to be signed for the mid level exception? You would have a chance at the full mid-level, heck maybe even the tax paying one, we only have the room exception which is rounded up is 4.8 million. Like if Danny could pull that off he should get executive of the year. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2019 7:56:44 GMT -5
There's also a scenario that keeps bumping into my head that after the Celtics sign Walker, sign the mid level exception player, and all their draft picks, they turn around and trade Yabu for Baynes lol.
Stevens loves him and he fit perfectly here. You only needed him gone for like a month until the room was clear to sign a max level free agent. Trading Yabu's salary get you close enough to get Baynes back in Boston.
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