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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2019 11:15:56 GMT -5
This is the time of year when we overreact to everything.
So, in that spirit, I will point out that New Orleans had been speculated as the surprise team on Al Horford. And now he just followed Zion and Jrue on instagram.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2019 11:23:42 GMT -5
The report I read said Leonard requested Magic be at the meeting. What exactly have you heard? If that’s the case, anything short of an emphatic no that’s not allowed then everything above still stands. Magic’s not supposed to have anything to do with recruitment. Zero. Just my two cents, but I don't agree. Like the NBA doesn't want Magic tampering, like recruiting when teams can't have contact because he's not the GM. Having a former GM and franchise Icon at a perfectly legal recruiting meeting should be allowed though. Like how is that tampering if it's in the legal window? Now if he's having Dinner with Leonard before July first or any contact that is tampering and shouldn't be allowed. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2019 11:31:21 GMT -5
This is the time of year when we overreact to everything. So, in that spirit, I will point out that New Orleans had been speculated as the surprise team on Al Horford. And now he just followed Zion and Jrue on instagram. He makes a ton of sense for them. Like Horford is the guy you want Zion learning from. Besides a payday not sure why Horford wants to go there, but who knows. Could be a good sign and trade option team. Would you trade that Bucks pick to get a 25-27 million dollar trade exception? It would give you a ton of options. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 29, 2019 11:36:52 GMT -5
Horford and Zion together is probably a great fit too because Zion is so dominant inside and can take care of a lot of the rebounding that Horford can't. Zion is more of a traditional center without the height.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2019 11:54:00 GMT -5
Shams reporting that Cs will target Kanter and Looney for the room exception
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2019 13:50:30 GMT -5
Mirotic is headed back to Spain.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 29, 2019 13:59:42 GMT -5
Shams reporting that Cs will target Kanter and Looney for the room exception Looney would be nice. I’m not the biggest Kanter fan, although he did do some nice things this postseason. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 29, 2019 17:12:28 GMT -5
It's official for Kyrie. Now you can hate him all you want.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 29, 2019 20:43:59 GMT -5
If that’s the case, anything short of an emphatic no that’s not allowed then everything above still stands. Magic’s not supposed to have anything to do with recruitment. Zero. Just my two cents, but I don't agree. Like the NBA doesn't want Magic tampering, like recruiting when teams can't have contact because he's not the GM. Having a former GM and franchise Icon at a perfectly legal recruiting meeting should be allowed though. Like how is that tampering if it's in the legal window? Now if he's having Dinner with Leonard before July first or any contact that is tampering and shouldn't be allowed. I understand where you’re coming from but i think the piece you’re overlooking (or maybe not) is that the NBA explicitly told him and the Lakers he could not be involved. This stems from Magic talking about how he wanted to be able to comment on and talk to players etc. so when he quit they said you can’t be involved with any Lakers business or player recruitment. It’s a terrible look. This isn’t some legend of the franchise just talking to some player during the legal period: this is the former GM (as of a few months ago) quitting saying he wanted to talk to players and now being involved in courting the biggest free agent on the market. So we are to believe he didn’t talk to Leonard during this time? Just because we can’t prove it doesn’t matter. This whole business is why the NBA was proactive. No reason he shouldn’t sit out this offseason..: sorry you quit. |
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Post by tizzle on Jun 29, 2019 21:32:40 GMT -5
So, have we retained the rights to Theis? Hard to decipher the different cap numbers from different sources.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 29, 2019 22:29:37 GMT -5
So, have we retained the rights to Theis? Hard to decipher the different cap numbers from different sources. Theis is coming back it seems, unless someone offers him a contract. They can afford his hold, even after the Kemba signing. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 29, 2019 23:07:46 GMT -5
Good stuff all around. I was a believer early and often but really, f*ck you Kyrie. Now please get Nerlens Noel and let's all pretend last season never happened.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 29, 2019 23:25:26 GMT -5
So, have we retained the rights to Theis? Hard to decipher the different cap numbers from different sources. Theis is coming back it seems, unless someone offers him a contract. They can afford his hold, even after the Kemba signing. Just wasn't sure if we had to renounce him to get to a max slot. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 30, 2019 0:20:45 GMT -5
Theis is coming back it seems, unless someone offers him a contract. They can afford his hold, even after the Kemba signing. Just wasn't sure if we had to renounce him to get to a max slot. They might renounce him anyways to sign Carl Edwards so they can pay a mid level guy more money. It's a fluid situation. Just have to wait and see what the Celtics (Danny Ainge) does here. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 30, 2019 3:34:37 GMT -5
Yeah the main reason why I keep thinking Baynes is in the Celtic's back pocket is because he hasn't been bought out yet. I remember when the trade happened, that's the first thing that came out. Him being bought out and going to a contending team. Yet, he isn't bought out at the moment and he's not on a contending team. As Texs alludes to, he can't come back if he's bought out. I'd give up Yabu and maybe a 2nd rounder. The Suns would make out with it by moving up into this draft with the Celtics last late first round pick this year, then getting Yabu, and maybe even like a second rounder ontop of it all. Yabu is redundant after the Celtics drafted Grant Williams because both players are PF only in my eyes. All of this for holding onto Baynes for a month. Like that'd be best case scenario for both sides. Can you do it? Frankly it would smell of a deal in place to get the Celtics the cap room needed and given all the rules the NBA has there has to be one against that. It's why I never brought it up, I don't think it can happen. Like trade for him at the deadline maybe, but right after trading him looks really bad from an optic point of view. I just remember the NBA stepping in when we traded Doc to the Clippers and saying KG couldn't be dealt there because they thought it was part of the deal, but the move would be separate. NBA would have to approve it. I hope the NBA would aprove it. No one in this situation got worse. It would really tick me off if the NBA would really step in the way of- A) A player being where he wants to truly play B) A team wanting to keep a player but can't because of simple CBA bylaws preventing it from happening. C) A simple situation where everyone benefits and nothing is done wrong in the actual language of the CBA. I don't know, that's my way of thinking. This is more of CBA NBA problem then a actual problem. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2019 6:11:33 GMT -5
Can you do it? Frankly it would smell of a deal in place to get the Celtics the cap room needed and given all the rules the NBA has there has to be one against that. It's why I never brought it up, I don't think it can happen. Like trade for him at the deadline maybe, but right after trading him looks really bad from an optic point of view. I just remember the NBA stepping in when we traded Doc to the Clippers and saying KG couldn't be dealt there because they thought it was part of the deal, but the move would be separate. NBA would have to approve it. I hope the NBA would aprove it. No one in this situation got worse. It would really tick me off if the NBA would really step in the way of- A) A player being where he wants to truly play B) A team wanting to keep a player but can't because of simple CBA bylaws preventing it from happening. C) A simple situation where everyone benefits and nothing is done wrong in the actual language of the CBA. I don't know, that's my way of thinking. This is more of CBA NBA problem then a actual problem. They can’t allow that. It opens way too many cans of worms. You can’t just think about the one situation, you have to think about the precedence it sets and all the ways it can be manipulated. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2019 6:13:26 GMT -5
Good stuff all around. I was a believer early and often but really, f*ck you Kyrie. Now please get Nerlens Noel and let's all pretend last season never happened. I saw a tweet that said: “If you just woke up from a 12 month coma the Celtics team that just made it to game 7 of the ECF just replaced Terry Rozier and Al Horford with Kemba Walker and a healthy Gordon Hayward.” If nothing else it’s a nice way of looking at things. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2019 7:30:27 GMT -5
Just wasn't sure if we had to renounce him to get to a max slot. They might renounce him anyways to sign Carl Edwards so they can pay a mid level guy more money. It's a fluid situation. Just have to wait and see what the Celtics (Danny Ainge) does here. Without some sort of sign and trade, the most they can have post-Kemba signing is the ~$4m room exception. Renouncing Theis or not doesnt change that. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2019 7:48:46 GMT -5
They might renounce him anyways to sign Carl Edwards so they can pay a mid level guy more money. It's a fluid situation. Just have to wait and see what the Celtics (Danny Ainge) does here. Without some sort of sign and trade, the most they can have post-Kemba signing is the ~$4m room exception. Renouncing Theis or not doesnt change that. There’s a small amount of cap room left after Kemba signing - they could renounce Theis and use that space to sign Edwards then have the full room exception to sign a free agent. I think that’s what Pedro is talking about. I just don’t see how that helps as you won’t get a guy better than Theis for that money. Unless you’re worried about his injuries. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2019 7:52:15 GMT -5
Ahh yes. Misunderstood.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2019 10:10:36 GMT -5
The NBA CBA rules are about 100 times more complicated than any other sport's. I can't understand any of it. How are casual fans supposed to follow this? It's almost funny.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2019 10:14:57 GMT -5
We need more than the 1.3 to 1.5 million that will be left over after signing Walker to sign Edwards? That seems like more than enough for me and you have that with Theis. You only gain like $900,000 releasing Theis. We only have early bird rights on Theis, so another team could easily sign him away, yet in this market that seems unlikely.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2019 10:20:46 GMT -5
Good stuff all around. I was a believer early and often but really, f*ck you Kyrie. Now please get Nerlens Noel and let's all pretend last season never happened. I saw a tweet that said: “If you just woke up from a 12 month coma the Celtics team that just made it to game 7 of the ECF just replaced Terry Rozier and Al Horford with Kemba Walker and a healthy Gordon Hayward.” If nothing else it’s a nice way of looking at things. Mine was Williams becomes David West 2.0 and shows why Danny is the draft master.😁 |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 30, 2019 10:21:45 GMT -5
We need more than the 1.3 to 1.5 million that will be left over after signing Walker to sign Edwards? That seems like more than enough for me and you have that with Theis. You only gain like $900,000 releasing Theis. We only have early bird rights on Theis, so another team could easily sign him away, yet in this market that seems unlikely. I forgot they still had money left over after Theis and Walker. They definitely don’t need more than that to sign Edwards. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2019 10:23:04 GMT -5
The NBA CBA rules are about 100 times more complicated than any other sport's. I can't understand any of it. How are casual fans supposed to follow this? It's almost funny. Your not, like by the time we finally get the new CBA they change everything again big time. It's what the board is good for put together a bunch of sport junkies and we get 90% of it when we pool our knowledge. |
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