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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 1, 2019 9:15:36 GMT -5
So Kyrie, Horford, Morris and Rozier are gone and replaced by Kemba and a bunch of rookies plus some yet to be determined second tier big.
The positive is Tatum and Brown should have a lot more touches and responsibility. They should feel empowered to play their game. They have no excuses to sulk or be passive this year.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2019 10:06:28 GMT -5
Not C's related but Stein pretty certain DLo in GS is not a long term situation. Didn't want to lose KD for nothing so they orchestrated this. Will eventually trade him.
My guess, then, is they convinced DLo to agree buy offering him a starting gig on a championship contender (while Klay is out) knowing they'd find a spot for him at another time (maybe work out a trade to get him to Minny to play with his buddy).
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 1, 2019 10:12:53 GMT -5
Vonleh would be a great get. If they can get the full MLE that may put them into the game for Cousins. Cousins wouldn't be a bad bet, but I'm not sure I like the fit considering the Celtics have basically 0 depth right now. If he doesn't work, which is possible, then you're boned. |
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Post by artfuldodger on Jul 1, 2019 10:23:27 GMT -5
How did the sign-and-trade go from being something no longer done to having about 6 in the first day?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 1, 2019 10:42:50 GMT -5
Vonleh would be a great get. If they can get the full MLE that may put them into the game for Cousins. Cousins wouldn't be a bad bet, but I'm not sure I like the fit considering the Celtics have basically 0 depth right now. If he doesn't work, which is possible, then you're boned. I don’t think it’s possible now that there’s no way they can stay over the cap so they will only have the room exception... Btw how dumb is it that a team over the cap gets a better exception then a team under it? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 1, 2019 10:46:52 GMT -5
Why can’t the Celtics do the sign and trade with Rozier and Walker, then sign Edwards with the cap space left over. Then sign Theis for an extension bigger than his hold to make themselves a tax payer to get the full tax payer exception?
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Post by texs31 on Jul 1, 2019 11:41:49 GMT -5
To do the Walker/Rozier deal, Boston has to operate as an uncapped team (so they need to renounce everyone and take him into space). Once you go below the cap, the exception you get is decided.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 1, 2019 11:49:17 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s possible now that there’s no way they can stay over the cap so they will only have the room exception... Wait, what? How much can they spend? |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 1, 2019 11:51:11 GMT -5
I wonder what Bamba would cost in assets. Langford plus a future Boston 1st?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2019 12:05:46 GMT -5
Why and where in the world did people get it would cost the Memphis pick? The only report I've seen said it would cost a first. Like was there another report? One poster on this board brought up I hope it's not the Memphis pick and people jumped on it. I don't buy it was the Memphis pick for one second, that makes zero sense.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 1, 2019 12:20:20 GMT -5
Vonleh would be a great get. If they can get the full MLE that may put them into the game for Cousins. Cousins wouldn't be a bad bet, but I'm not sure I like the fit considering the Celtics have basically 0 depth right now. If he doesn't work, which is possible, then you're boned. But if Noah Vonleh is your starting center, you’re boned too. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 1, 2019 12:39:47 GMT -5
But if Noah Vonleh is your starting center, you’re boned too. I don't think so, dude just screams late bloomer. He's not excepcional at anything, but he's a solid scorer and rebounder at least and he's mobile. DMC is a much scarier boom or bust scenario. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 1, 2019 13:23:02 GMT -5
2 year, 10 million deal for Enes Kanter to the Celtics. There's your starting Center this year, I guess.
Add- The second year is a player option. The deal is expected to fit under their room exception.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 1, 2019 13:25:52 GMT -5
I think Kanter is a solid option at that price. Hope the defense holds up, though. Probably prefer Vonleh, but can't complain at that cost.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 1, 2019 13:26:38 GMT -5
That’s pretty good value, and I’m not really a Kanter fan.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 1, 2019 13:46:48 GMT -5
Why and where in the world did people get it would cost the Memphis pick? The only report I've seen said it would cost a first. Like was there another report? One poster on this board brought up I hope it's not the Memphis pick and people jumped on it. I don't buy it was the Memphis pick for one second, that makes zero sense. What makes zero sense is the Nets taking a late first round pick to allow the Celtics to keep Horford and get a full midlevel exception. They are in the same division. This wasn’t a western conference team just trying to get an asset. The cost would have to be really high for the Nets to entertain the idea. Hence the Memphis pick is a guess as an absolute minimum. Now if you’re saying it makes no sense for the Celtics, I agree. But it makes no sense for either team to get together on something like this. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 1, 2019 13:49:54 GMT -5
Anyone care to HATE Al Horford as much as everyone hates Kyrie?
This is exactly what happened here.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 1, 2019 13:54:26 GMT -5
Anyone care to HATE Al Horford as much as everyone hates Kyrie? This is exactly what happened here. No, because from what it appears, the 76ers offered Horford more money than the Celtics. Plus, Horford was an amazing teammate and leader by example, played hard for this team. Horford also NEVER threw teammates under the bus. I'm not going to blame him for taking more money while also going to a contender, even if that contender happens to be somewhat of a rival. Can't blame the guy doing what he thinks is best for his career after being a great teammate and player for us. |
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Post by swingingbunt on Jul 1, 2019 13:54:39 GMT -5
Anyone care to HATE Al Horford as much as everyone hates Kyrie? This is exactly what happened here. I read last night that Horford got the best deal he could, and then went back to the Celtics to see if they would match. They didn't. This isn't in the same stratosphere as Kyrie. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 1, 2019 13:58:46 GMT -5
I don't know about all that. "He was a great teammate" on a team that didn't play well together. Glad the Celtics didn't give him the money. Kyrie was open and honest the whole way through, got paid less than Horford the whole time he was here.
There was bigger expectations from me from Horford. He was a big let down the last year here. He was a shell of himself imo. I won't miss him one bit.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 1, 2019 14:03:59 GMT -5
And so, our Celtics off season seems quite uninspired - we will be good, it will be fun to see how Brown and Tatum and others can reignite their careers without Kyrie disrupting things constantly...but a championship? Likely not in the cards.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 1, 2019 14:23:09 GMT -5
And so, our Celtics off season seems quite uninspired On the contrary, replacing Irving with Walker was absolutely genius and while Kanter isn't close to the player Horford is, he can give you solid minutes and he was very good for the Blazers. Aside from adding more frontcourt depth, they really did the best they could. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 1, 2019 14:28:39 GMT -5
Kanter for that money is a steal. The guy can really score and rebound. Like give him 30 minutes a night and you'll be surprised at the numbers he puts up. His D is crap though, but he's still just 26. The bigger worry is Williams and Tatum at PF next to Kanter. In Theory Robert Williams and Kanter make a great pairing.
Now if you can just add a small ball center/PF that can shoot. Thing is you could also really use a defender. Like right now your counting on Robert Williams a ton. Love the upside, not sure he's ready to be the guy to stop the Embiids of the world just yet. Will be very interesting to see who else Danny adds.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 1, 2019 14:36:13 GMT -5
Kanter for that money is a steal. The guy can really score and rebound. Like give him 30 minutes a night and you'll be surprised at the numbers he puts up. His D is crap though, but he's still just 26. The bigger worry is Williams and Tatum at PF next to Kanter. In Theory Robert Williams and Kanter make a great pairing. His defense is positively crap, but he did fare a bit better on that end with the Blazers and he wasn't unplayable by any means. Depth is still an issue though. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 1, 2019 14:51:46 GMT -5
And so, our Celtics off season seems quite uninspired On the contrary, replacing Irving with Walker was absolutely genius and while Kanter isn't close to the player Horford is, he can give you solid minutes and he was very good for the Blazers. Aside from adding more frontcourt depth, they really did the best they could. Yeah, the Celtics did as best they could here. The Celtics next big jump in the standings lies in the shoulders of Brown and Tatum and how much better they can be, especially Tatum. The franchise is depending on them to turn to stars from here on out. Kemba Walker can probably be the second best player on a championship calibre team, like Kyrie can be. It's on one of the turn into a number one option, and to turn into the best player on the team. |
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