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2019 Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 14:06:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind adding Emmanuel Mudiay if you can get him for the minimum. Adds size and some upside. I like that pairing if Walker and Edwards are your other two PGs, with Smart in the mix. Also would love RJPs guy Jones, but that seems unlikely.
Looking over the roster, you almost need to trade a big if your going to add another one. Like trade Yabu for player X. Maybe they feel one of Their, Semi or Yabu step up and claim that small ball center role that can space the floor. It's just the fact that Stevens loves that type of lineup and you don't seem to have that guy. Unless Williams surprises me and can play that role. Hopefully Semi can take a big step forward, he could solve a ton of issues because he can really defend.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 2, 2019 14:30:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind adding Emmanuel Mudiay if you can get him for the minimum. Adds size and some upside. I like that pairing if Walker and Edwards are your other two PGs, with Smart in the mix. Also would love RJPs guy Jones, but that seems unlikely. Looking over the roster, you almost need to trade a big if your going to add another one. Like trade Yabu for player X. Maybe they feel one of Their, Semi or Yabu step up and claim that small ball center role that can space the floor. It's just the fact that Stevens loves that type of lineup and you don't seem to have that guy. Unless Williams surprises me and can play that role. Hopefully Semi can take a big step forward, he could solve a ton of issues because he can really defend. Funny how quickly it turned from no frontcourt to too much frontcourt depth. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2019 14:50:46 GMT -5
Agree with some of the tweets out there:
- 5m hit is high if you're talking talent.
- but the "overage" probably doesnt matter much
- could be that Cs felt someone would pay that amyway.
- Some higher than minimum salaries could prove helpful in a future trade (salary matching)
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 14:55:41 GMT -5
So the Celtics got-
Poirier
Kanter
Theis
R Williams
G Williams
Yabu
Those are your big men. Danny better be right about Poirier because we already know Yabu and Theis stink really and they are all about depth. Both the Williams are unproven. This is where the talent evaluation has to pay off for Danny.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2019 15:01:38 GMT -5
Completely forget that Theis was pretty good 2 yrs ago. Meniscus injury hurt him last year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:02:36 GMT -5
Kemba is a class act and he's likely to be loved by the Boston fans. Kyrie is an asshole and I wish him nothing but the worst. Like the story the Celtics had a 100 Basketballs for Charity last year, asked everyone to sign them. Everyone on the team did besides Irving. When asked to do it he simply said I'm not doing that. Irving makes it hard to like Irving the Person. Nevermind the reports that when he was telling the Celtics fans he'd resign he was already talking with KD about teaming up together. That Kyrie basketball story is repugnant. The other part of that article that was interesting and really not good was how when they went to Miami (which is around when a lot of the drama started) they landed at 1am and a bunch of the young guys (no one named) went out to the clubs when they had a game later that day. Kyrie was pissed and I can’t say I blame him. That’s god awful and how is it even possible? How does Brad not have rules governing that sort of thing and how are the players that immature to actually think that’s ok to do? Not shockingly the team was lethargic and blew a big lead that game and lost. Sadly I heard a report, the plan was for Kyrie and KD to be in Boston... no they didn’t have cap space but apparently that doesn’t matter anymore so they could have figure it out had KD demanded to be here. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:06:32 GMT -5
He told teams he wouldn’t sign in the NBA to sit on the bench so the Celtics must have convinced him he’d play. Between him Kanter and Theis and Williams, I would think they are done. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2019 15:08:45 GMT -5
None of that can be true bc, as we know, Kyrie is the devil and EVERYTHING was his fault.
PS I really dont enjoy defending a self important windbag but the narratives against him tend to ignore the whole story.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 15:14:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind adding Emmanuel Mudiay if you can get him for the minimum. Adds size and some upside. I like that pairing if Walker and Edwards are your other two PGs, with Smart in the mix. Also would love RJPs guy Jones, but that seems unlikely. Looking over the roster, you almost need to trade a big if your going to add another one. Like trade Yabu for player X. Maybe they feel one of Their, Semi or Yabu step up and claim that small ball center role that can space the floor. It's just the fact that Stevens loves that type of lineup and you don't seem to have that guy. Unless Williams surprises me and can play that role. Hopefully Semi can take a big step forward, he could solve a ton of issues because he can really defend. Funny how quickly it turned from no frontcourt to too much frontcourt depth. They have a lot of bodies now, talent wise they could still use an upgrade unless Semi or Yabu step up. They really still don't have a normal sized legit PF. What I said before about Vonleh and Green still stands, if you could trade Yabu for one of them you'd be really looking good. Say RJP is right and we get a second from Charlotte that might be enough for a team like the Knicks to do a deal like that. Could be a nice pick given Charlotte's talent level. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:16:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind adding Emmanuel Mudiay if you can get him for the minimum. Adds size and some upside. I like that pairing if Walker and Edwards are your other two PGs, with Smart in the mix. Also would love RJPs guy Jones, but that seems unlikely. Looking over the roster, you almost need to trade a big if your going to add another one. Like trade Yabu for player X. Maybe they feel one of Their, Semi or Yabu step up and claim that small ball center role that can space the floor. It's just the fact that Stevens loves that type of lineup and you don't seem to have that guy. Unless Williams surprises me and can play that role. Hopefully Semi can take a big step forward, he could solve a ton of issues because he can really defend. Depends what you’re looking for with the small ball 5. Teams go really small these days for short stretches so I have confidence you could see a lineup that has Grant Williams on the court without Theis, Kanter, R Williams or Frenchy. Also, what’s up with Danny and the Euro Centers? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:20:49 GMT -5
Unless Danny can get a talent for a vet minimum that he can’t pass up, I wouldn’t mind seeing them just keep the roster spot open. I would like to see the younger guys get some minutes and adding more than an emergency big (Theis and R Williams do have injury questions) doesn’t seem worthwhile. They have Kemba, Edward and Smart as ball handlers plus Hayward. Considering Waters will be on a two way, I don’t want another PG.
I’m all set with another wing and I don’t want a 4 to take time from Williams or even Semi and Yabu.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:23:39 GMT -5
Funny how quickly it turned from no frontcourt to too much frontcourt depth. They have a lot of bodies now, talent wise they could still use an upgrade unless Semi or Yabu step up. They really still don't have a normal sized legit PF. What I said before about Vonleh and Green still stands, if you could trade Yabu for one of them you'd be really looking good. Say RJP is right and we get a second from Charlotte that might be enough for a team like the Knicks to do a deal like that. Could be a nice pick given Charlotte's talent level. Vonleh would fall into the category of a guy too good to pass up. And in your scenario, if you’re trading Yabu that’s fine. My main thing is I really want Langford, Edwards, Williams and Williams to get regular run of some sort. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 15:28:53 GMT -5
None of that can be true bc, as we know, Kyrie is the devil and EVERYTHING was his fault. PS I really dont enjoy defending a self important windbag but the narratives against him tend to ignore the whole story. No one has said that and frankly it's getting so old that anytime we say something about Irving we get a post saying everything wasn't his fault. We all get that, but we also need to vent on the biggest disappointment in modern day Celtic Basketball and that is what Irving was last year. The Bucks series was just like Don said, like Irving had already checked out. There were certainly other issues last year, but none bigger than Irving, he litterally shot us out of four straight games to end our season. Like the whole team seemed to get on the same page for the playoffs and Irving was just Irving once again. Like every team with young players will have guys go out and party. That isn't story unless it happens all the time, not a few times a year. Not many guys won't sign Balls for Charity. Doesn't make him evil, but it shows why he's not a leader also. A guy people will have a hard time understanding and forming a bond with. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:29:43 GMT -5
So the Celtics got- Poirier Kanter Theis R Williams G Williams Yabu Those are your big men. Danny better be right about Poirier because we already know Yabu and Theis stink really and they are all about depth. Both the Williams are unproven. This is where the talent evaluation has to pay off for Danny. I don’t know that either stink. Theis is inconsistent but has really good stretches and was hurt last year. Yabu was actually starting to show signs of being a useful player last year then got hurt. Why is it that when a guy gets drafted, like Yabu, that we know is a project and will take a few years, do we want to say they suck when they aren’t playing well during the early years when we knew they wouldn’t be able to really contribute during? This literally happens ALL the time. I still have faith in Semi. He’s going to master that corner 3 at some point and be a weapon. Maybe it’s this year for the Celtics or maybe it’s 4 years from now on another team, but I am confident it’s coming for him and we already know he can ball on D and like UMass pointed out he’s a freak athlete so I’m guessing at some point there’s some drive to his game. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 15:40:13 GMT -5
Unless Danny can get a talent for a vet minimum that he can’t pass up, I wouldn’t mind seeing them just keep the roster spot open. I would like to see the younger guys get some minutes and adding more than an emergency big (Theis and R Williams do have injury questions) doesn’t seem worthwhile. They have Kemba, Edward and Smart as ball handlers plus Hayward. Considering Waters will be on a two way, I don’t want another PG. I’m all set with another wing and I don’t want a 4 to take time from Williams or even Semi and Yabu. I look at the East and see Giannis, Horford, Ibaka as small small centers. Sabonis on the Pacers, Gordon on the Magic, Griffin on the Pistons, Randle now on the Knicks. We'll see if Williams can handle guys like that. You really want Yabu playing? I've tried to keep an open mind, but he's shown me nothing and hasn't even looked like he's in shape once in his career. Like if lost 20 pounds he might be a player and allow his athletic ability to help him. Still can't believe he was once compared to Larry Johnson. He's like a fat Johnson with a bad back and less skill. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:44:53 GMT -5
Unless Danny can get a talent for a vet minimum that he can’t pass up, I wouldn’t mind seeing them just keep the roster spot open. I would like to see the younger guys get some minutes and adding more than an emergency big (Theis and R Williams do have injury questions) doesn’t seem worthwhile. They have Kemba, Edward and Smart as ball handlers plus Hayward. Considering Waters will be on a two way, I don’t want another PG. I’m all set with another wing and I don’t want a 4 to take time from Williams or even Semi and Yabu. I look at the East and see Giannis, Horford, Ibaka as small small centers. Sabonis on the Pacers, Gordon on the Magic, Griffin on the Pistons, Randle now on the Knicks. We'll see if Williams can handle guys like that. You really want Yabu playing? I've tried to keep an open mind, but he's shown me nothing and hasn't even looked like he's in shape once in his career. Like if lost 20 pounds he might be a player and allow his athletic ability to help him. Still can't believe he was once compared to Larry Johnson. He's like a fat Johnson with a bad back and less skill. I don’t know, before his injury I feel like he actually started to show something but maybe I’m delusional. Regardless, he’s not someone I overly care about but I don’t want the other guys blocked from minutes this year by some older veteran who’s really not that good just more reliable. I don’t want that guy this year. I’d rather take some lumps with kids. Mostly the 2 Williams, Edwards, Langford and even Semi. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 15:48:46 GMT -5
None of that can be true bc, as we know, Kyrie is the devil and EVERYTHING was his fault. PS I really dont enjoy defending a self important windbag but the narratives against him tend to ignore the whole story. No one has said that and frankly it's getting so old that anytime we say something about Irving we get a post saying everything wasn't his fault. We all get that, but we also need to vent on the biggest disappointment in modern day Celtic Basketball and that is what Irving was last year. The Bucks series was just like Don said, like Irving had already checked out. There were certainly other issues last year, but none bigger than Irving, he litterally shot us out of four straight games to end our season. Like the whole team seemed to get on the same page for the playoffs and Irving was just Irving once again. Like every team with young players will have guys go out and party. That isn't story unless it happens all the time, not a few times a year. Not many guys won't sign Balls for Charity. Doesn't make him evil, but it shows why he's not a leader also. A guy people will have a hard time understanding and forming a bond with. I disagree, getting in at 1am and going out to party when you have a game that day is a story and an issue that shouldn’t just be glossed over. It highlights both the immaturity of the younger players as well as their attitude that they could just show up and play without proper preparation. It also highlights how little control Brad had of the team. I’m not going to draw conclusions on guys over it but I’d hope we can all agree that needs to change and that they need to grow up a bit. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 15:51:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind adding Emmanuel Mudiay if you can get him for the minimum. Adds size and some upside. I like that pairing if Walker and Edwards are your other two PGs, with Smart in the mix. Also would love RJPs guy Jones, but that seems unlikely. Looking over the roster, you almost need to trade a big if your going to add another one. Like trade Yabu for player X. Maybe they feel one of Their, Semi or Yabu step up and claim that small ball center role that can space the floor. It's just the fact that Stevens loves that type of lineup and you don't seem to have that guy. Unless Williams surprises me and can play that role. Hopefully Semi can take a big step forward, he could solve a ton of issues because he can really defend. Depends what you’re looking for with the small ball 5. Teams go really small these days for short stretches so I have confidence you could see a lineup that has Grant Williams on the court without Theis, Kanter, R Williams or Frenchy. Also, what’s up with Danny and the Euro Centers? Best bang for your money? He doesn't look bad for the Veterans minimum and you get two years, then restricted free agency. I like it over a guy like Noah who gets injured all the time and is a very unique personality. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 16:01:31 GMT -5
No one has said that and frankly it's getting so old that anytime we say something about Irving we get a post saying everything wasn't his fault. We all get that, but we also need to vent on the biggest disappointment in modern day Celtic Basketball and that is what Irving was last year. The Bucks series was just like Don said, like Irving had already checked out. There were certainly other issues last year, but none bigger than Irving, he litterally shot us out of four straight games to end our season. Like the whole team seemed to get on the same page for the playoffs and Irving was just Irving once again. Like every team with young players will have guys go out and party. That isn't story unless it happens all the time, not a few times a year. Not many guys won't sign Balls for Charity. Doesn't make him evil, but it shows why he's not a leader also. A guy people will have a hard time understanding and forming a bond with. I disagree, getting in at 1am and going out to party when you have a game that day is a story and an issue that shouldn’t just be glossed over. It highlights both the immaturity of the younger players as well as their attitude that they could just show up and play without proper preparation. It also highlights how little control Brad had of the team. I’m not going to draw conclusions on guys over it but I’d hope we can all agree that needs to change and that they need to grow up a bit. NBA games are later though, it's not Baseball or Football. Like they could go out and still get eight hours sleep. If you have issues with that, then you have issues with most young players in the NBA. We have a report it happened once, not all the time. Going out every now and then isn't being immature, it's what young people do. If you expect young players to never go out, your setting your bar way too high! Now if it was a 1pm or 4pm game I'd agree, was it? NBA is a long season guys need to have some fun. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2019 16:27:15 GMT -5
None of that can be true bc, as we know, Kyrie is the devil and EVERYTHING was his fault. PS I really dont enjoy defending a self important windbag but the narratives against him tend to ignore the whole story. No one has said that and frankly it's getting so old that anytime we say something about Irving we get a post saying everything wasn't his fault. We all get that, but we also need to vent on the biggest disappointment in modern day Celtic Basketball and that is what Irving was last year. The Bucks series was just like Don said, like Irving had already checked out. There were certainly other issues last year, but none bigger than Irving, he litterally shot us out of four straight games to end our season. Like the whole team seemed to get on the same page for the playoffs and Irving was just Irving once again. Like every team with young players will have guys go out and party. That isn't story unless it happens all the time, not a few times a year. Not many guys won't sign Balls for Charity. Doesn't make him evil, but it shows why he's not a leader also. A guy people will have a hard time understanding and forming a bond with. Wait. You actually thinking it's getting older than the constant Kyrie bashing? Perspective is everything, I guess. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 2, 2019 16:29:11 GMT -5
I disagree, getting in at 1am and going out to party when you have a game that day is a story and an issue that shouldn’t just be glossed over. It highlights both the immaturity of the younger players as well as their attitude that they could just show up and play without proper preparation. It also highlights how little control Brad had of the team. I’m not going to draw conclusions on guys over it but I’d hope we can all agree that needs to change and that they need to grow up a bit. That wasn't cool by the young unnamed players and we don't really know what Stevens did or didn't do afterwards, however that behavior doesn't begin to explain or justify how badly Kyrie failed in his role. Even if you want to believe that the team failed him too and that's why he was disengaged (the classic Lebron excuse after Delonte banged his mom), there is no way for him to travel back in time and continuously throw his teammates under the bus before this incident happened. Point is, Kyrie clearly alienated the entire franchise around him. This isn't a "both sides" scenario because of some stupid Miami party. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 16:29:30 GMT -5
None of that can be true bc, as we know, Kyrie is the devil and EVERYTHING was his fault. PS I really dont enjoy defending a self important windbag but the narratives against him tend to ignore the whole story. At this rate, the Boston Kyrie haters will blame him for the creation of cancer. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 16:31:50 GMT -5
No one has said that and frankly it's getting so old that anytime we say something about Irving we get a post saying everything wasn't his fault. We all get that, but we also need to vent on the biggest disappointment in modern day Celtic Basketball and that is what Irving was last year. The Bucks series was just like Don said, like Irving had already checked out. There were certainly other issues last year, but none bigger than Irving, he litterally shot us out of four straight games to end our season. Like the whole team seemed to get on the same page for the playoffs and Irving was just Irving once again. Like every team with young players will have guys go out and party. That isn't story unless it happens all the time, not a few times a year. Not many guys won't sign Balls for Charity. Doesn't make him evil, but it shows why he's not a leader also. A guy people will have a hard time understanding and forming a bond with. Wait. You actually thinking it's getting older than the constant Kyrie bashing? Perspective is everything, I guess. Lol YES!!!! THIS!!! |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 16:35:18 GMT -5
So the Celtics got- Poirier Kanter Theis R Williams G Williams Yabu Those are your big men. Danny better be right about Poirier because we already know Yabu and Theis stink really and they are all about depth. Both the Williams are unproven. This is where the talent evaluation has to pay off for Danny. I don’t know that either stink. Theis is inconsistent but has really good stretches and was hurt last year. Yabu was actually starting to show signs of being a useful player last year then got hurt. Why is it that when a guy gets drafted, like Yabu, that we know is a project and will take a few years, do we want to say they suck when they aren’t playing well during the early years when we knew they wouldn’t be able to really contribute during? This literally happens ALL the time. I still have faith in Semi. He’s going to master that corner 3 at some point and be a weapon. Maybe it’s this year for the Celtics or maybe it’s 4 years from now on another team, but I am confident it’s coming for him and we already know he can ball on D and like UMass pointed out he’s a freak athlete so I’m guessing at some point there’s some drive to his game. I like Semi, always wanted to keep him around. Yabu is a un athletic overweight big man who can't do much of anything good. Theis is good for committing 4 fouls in 8 minutes of play. Everyone you just named but Semi is just depth at this point. |
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