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2019 Celtics Offseason Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 16:42:05 GMT -5
I disagree, getting in at 1am and going out to party when you have a game that day is a story and an issue that shouldn’t just be glossed over. It highlights both the immaturity of the younger players as well as their attitude that they could just show up and play without proper preparation. It also highlights how little control Brad had of the team. I’m not going to draw conclusions on guys over it but I’d hope we can all agree that needs to change and that they need to grow up a bit. NBA games are later though, it's not Baseball or Football. Like they could go out and still get eight hours sleep. If you have issues with that, then you have issues with most young players in the NBA. We have a report it happened once, not all the time. Going out every now and then isn't being immature, it's what young people do. If you expect young players to never go out, your setting your bar way too high! Now if it was a 1pm or 4pm game I'd agree, was it? NBA is a long season guys need to have some fun. Excuse, excuse, excuse for young player's dumb behavior. Bash, bash, bash Kyrie's behavior. It will be a sad day if the Nets win a championship 2 years from now with KD and Kyrie on the same team. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN YOU!! |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2019 16:43:07 GMT -5
Wannamaker is back now too.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2019 16:53:58 GMT -5
NBA games are later though, it's not Baseball or Football. Like they could go out and still get eight hours sleep. If you have issues with that, then you have issues with most young players in the NBA. We have a report it happened once, not all the time. Going out every now and then isn't being immature, it's what young people do. If you expect young players to never go out, your setting your bar way too high! Now if it was a 1pm or 4pm game I'd agree, was it? NBA is a long season guys need to have some fun. Excuse, excuse, excuse for young player's dumb behavior. Bash, bash, bash Kyrie's behavior. It will be a sad day if the Nets win a championship 2 years from now with KD and Kyrie on the same team. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN YOU!! Are you going to rub it in for every point Kyrie scores against the Celtics? Or are you going to be a Celtics fan and stop rooting for him? Kyrie could do what Kyrie wanted and he did. His actions say "f you pedrofan, I hate Boston, I hate the Celtics and I hate Celtics fans." And you blame the Celtics for him leaving because you think he should be the GM and coach like he wants even though he's 1/10th of the player that LeBron is. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 17:26:29 GMT -5
Excuse, excuse, excuse for young player's dumb behavior. Bash, bash, bash Kyrie's behavior. It will be a sad day if the Nets win a championship 2 years from now with KD and Kyrie on the same team. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN YOU!! Are you going to rub it in for every point Kyrie scores against the Celtics? Or are you going to be a Celtics fan and stop rooting for him? Kyrie could do what Kyrie wanted and he did. His actions say "f you pedrofan, I hate Boston, I hate the Celtics and I hate Celtics fans." And you blame the Celtics for him leaving because you think he should be the GM and coach like he wants even though he's 1/10th of the player that LeBron is. LOL HE NEVER ACTED LIKE A GM HERE. NEVER. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. Or he could have said "I want to be in a place where I'm not blamed for LITERALLY EVERYTHING, and I want to be on a team with more talent. I want to be where I'm wanted." I blame the fans and the media for making this guy's last year in Boston a living nightmare in his last year here. He never ONCE said F you to the city of Boston or the fans here. Get your facts straight. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 18:15:43 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 18:27:06 GMT -5
No one has said that and frankly it's getting so old that anytime we say something about Irving we get a post saying everything wasn't his fault. We all get that, but we also need to vent on the biggest disappointment in modern day Celtic Basketball and that is what Irving was last year. The Bucks series was just like Don said, like Irving had already checked out. There were certainly other issues last year, but none bigger than Irving, he litterally shot us out of four straight games to end our season. Like the whole team seemed to get on the same page for the playoffs and Irving was just Irving once again. Like every team with young players will have guys go out and party. That isn't story unless it happens all the time, not a few times a year. Not many guys won't sign Balls for Charity. Doesn't make him evil, but it shows why he's not a leader also. A guy people will have a hard time understanding and forming a bond with. Wait. You actually thinking it's getting older than the constant Kyrie bashing? Perspective is everything, I guess. Yes the narrative that anything negative said about Irving some how implies he was the only issue. Add Pedro's constant love for Irving and it's like a 50-50 mix which is crazy. Irving deserves what he's getting. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 2, 2019 18:30:52 GMT -5
I blame the fans and the media for making this guy's last year in Boston a living nightmare in his last year here. He never ONCE said F you to the city of Boston or the fans here. Get your facts straight. That's just not true, come on pedrofan. Boston media is very harsh and sure the fans are demanding, but Kyrie was a loved figure until he started questioning his teammates to the media and mostly until he became noncommittal on his future out of the blue, which we all knew what it meant from day one. People only turned on him once it was clear he was GONE from the team. People gave him a fair chance. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 18:38:39 GMT -5
NBA games are later though, it's not Baseball or Football. Like they could go out and still get eight hours sleep. If you have issues with that, then you have issues with most young players in the NBA. We have a report it happened once, not all the time. Going out every now and then isn't being immature, it's what young people do. If you expect young players to never go out, your setting your bar way too high! Now if it was a 1pm or 4pm game I'd agree, was it? NBA is a long season guys need to have some fun. Excuse, excuse, excuse for young player's dumb behavior. Bash, bash, bash Kyrie's behavior. It will be a sad day if the Nets win a championship 2 years from now with KD and Kyrie on the same team. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN YOU!! That report is litterally an excuse put out by Irving's people trying to justify his actions and it makes him look horrible frankly. Every single NBA team has guys that do the same exact thing. Like 1 am sounds bad, yet they don't play a game for 16 hours and it's South Beach! Like if that was what Irving expects of his teammates that's an issue in my book, unless it's a huge game or the playoffs. Get back at me when the Nets win a championship. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 18:45:29 GMT -5
I blame the fans and the media for making this guy's last year in Boston a living nightmare in his last year here. He never ONCE said F you to the city of Boston or the fans here. Get your facts straight. That's just not true, come on pedrofan. Boston media is very harsh and sure the fans are demanding, but Kyrie was a loved figure until he started questioning his teammates to the media and mostly until he became noncommittal on his future out of the blue, which we all knew what it meant from day one. People only turned on him once it was clear he was GONE from the team. People gave him a fair chance. I don't agree with that Don. People started to turn against him once people found stats against Kyrie where the team played better without him. That was the turning point imo, both from media and fans. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 19:29:13 GMT -5
I disagree, getting in at 1am and going out to party when you have a game that day is a story and an issue that shouldn’t just be glossed over. It highlights both the immaturity of the younger players as well as their attitude that they could just show up and play without proper preparation. It also highlights how little control Brad had of the team. I’m not going to draw conclusions on guys over it but I’d hope we can all agree that needs to change and that they need to grow up a bit. That wasn't cool by the young unnamed players and we don't really know what Stevens did or didn't do afterwards, however that behavior doesn't begin to explain or justify how badly Kyrie failed in his role. Even if you want to believe that the team failed him too and that's why he was disengaged (the classic Lebron excuse after Delonte banged his mom), there is no way for him to travel back in time and continuously throw his teammates under the bus before this incident happened. Point is, Kyrie clearly alienated the entire franchise around him. This isn't a "both sides" scenario because of some stupid Miami party. Separate issues. No need to talk about Kyrie in this instance. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2019 19:36:11 GMT -5
I disagree, getting in at 1am and going out to party when you have a game that day is a story and an issue that shouldn’t just be glossed over. It highlights both the immaturity of the younger players as well as their attitude that they could just show up and play without proper preparation. It also highlights how little control Brad had of the team. I’m not going to draw conclusions on guys over it but I’d hope we can all agree that needs to change and that they need to grow up a bit. NBA games are later though, it's not Baseball or Football. Like they could go out and still get eight hours sleep. If you have issues with that, then you have issues with most young players in the NBA. We have a report it happened once, not all the time. Going out every now and then isn't being immature, it's what young people do. If you expect young players to never go out, your setting your bar way too high! Now if it was a 1pm or 4pm game I'd agree, was it? NBA is a long season guys need to have some fun. Agree to disagree there’s a lot of middle ground to “going out now and then” to getting in at 1am and hitting the clubs when you have a game that day. Lots of off days in an NBA season. Lots of them. Be a professional. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 19:58:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind adding Emmanuel Mudiay if you can get him for the minimum. Adds size and some upside. I like that pairing if Walker and Edwards are your other two PGs, with Smart in the mix. Also would love RJPs guy Jones, but that seems unlikely. Looking over the roster, you almost need to trade a big if your going to add another one. Like trade Yabu for player X. Maybe they feel one of Their, Semi or Yabu step up and claim that small ball center role that can space the floor. It's just the fact that Stevens loves that type of lineup and you don't seem to have that guy. Unless Williams surprises me and can play that role. Hopefully Semi can take a big step forward, he could solve a ton of issues because he can really defend. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 2, 2019 20:09:18 GMT -5
I blame the fans and the media for making this guy's last year in Boston a living nightmare in his last year here. He never ONCE said F you to the city of Boston or the fans here. Get your facts straight. That's just not true, come on pedrofan. Boston media is very harsh and sure the fans are demanding, but Kyrie was a loved figure until he started questioning his teammates to the media and mostly until he became noncommittal on his future out of the blue, which we all knew what it meant from day one. People only turned on him once it was clear he was GONE from the team. People gave him a fair chance. Lmao what a wild take that is. I always felt that Kyrie received too much of the blame, and I stand by that statement. But I also think he brought a lot of it on himself. He’s been in two pretty good situations in his relatively short time in the league, and he’s managed to leave a pretty bad mark on the way out. At some point, he becomes the common denominator. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2019 20:32:12 GMT -5
That's just not true, come on pedrofan. Boston media is very harsh and sure the fans are demanding, but Kyrie was a loved figure until he started questioning his teammates to the media and mostly until he became noncommittal on his future out of the blue, which we all knew what it meant from day one. People only turned on him once it was clear he was GONE from the team. People gave him a fair chance. I don't agree with that Don. People started to turn against him once people found stats against Kyrie where the team played better without him. That was the turning point imo, both from media and fans. I was on the fence until he said that he should have shot about 10 more shots after a night that he shot 27% in a playoff game. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 20:33:45 GMT -5
I don't agree with that Don. People started to turn against him once people found stats against Kyrie where the team played better without him. That was the turning point imo, both from media and fans. I was on the fence until he said that he should have shot about 10 more shots after a night that he shot 27% in a playoff game. You were never on the fence about Kyrie. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 2, 2019 22:08:54 GMT -5
Separate issues. No need to talk about Kyrie in this instance. Agreed actually, especially considering Kyrie isn't a Celtics player anymore and the Miami clubbers (probably) are. I don't agree with that Don. People started to turn against him once people found stats against Kyrie where the team played better without him. That was the turning point imo, both from media and fans. There were legit basketball questions about the kind of basketball they were playing with Kyrie, it was possible to criticize his play and still like him. He only started to get hated when he started with the interview shenanigans. Lmao what a wild take that is. I always felt that Kyrie received too much of the blame, and I stand by that statement. But I also think he brought a lot of it on himself. He’s been in two pretty good situations in his relatively short time in the league, and he’s managed to leave a pretty bad mark on the way out. At some point, he becomes the common denominator. The team was playing like ass even before the drama started. Everyone received blame. Heck, Stevens isn't in that coaching stratosphere he has before the season, he was the best outside of Pop and now it's not even close. People are saying that maybe the Celtics didn't win the Nets trade. The NBA is a lizard people truther kind of league when it comes to the debates, fans and media are always looking for a ridiculous angle to explore. You fail in a season and you eat all sorts of blame. That being said, Kyrie really turned the fans against him on his own. Questions were inevitable, but the hate could have been avoided. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2019 23:02:39 GMT -5
So certain people can force feed a concept down our throats but when we comment that it doesnt tell the whole story and WE are to blame?
That might explain the interactions on this board better than anyone ever could.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 2, 2019 23:10:33 GMT -5
Wait. You actually thinking it's getting older than the constant Kyrie bashing? Perspective is everything, I guess. Yes the narrative that anything negative said about Irving some how implies he was the only issue. Add Pedro's constant love for Irving and it's like a 50-50 mix which is crazy. Irving deserves what he's getting. Yeah, I don't love Irving for the millionth time. I just can see that he got the wrong end of the stick in Boston. I can see that he's uber talented and you can WIN with him. I can also see this backfiring on the Celtics big-time if Irving and his buddy (the second best player in basketball, when healthy) in Durant comes back to bite the Celtics and wins with the Nets. Danny Ainge coveted both players. He traded assets to get one of them. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 2, 2019 23:34:29 GMT -5
So certain people can force feed a concept down our throats but when we comment that it doesnt tell the whole story and WE are to blame? That might explain the interactions on this board better than anyone ever could. Even the most ardent Kyrie hater will tell you that there were issues with the team besides Kyrie. Getting rid of him doesn't solve everything. However, it's a step in the right direction. There were other problems, but Kyrie was a pretty significant problem. It's a bit disingenuous to imply that since there were other issues in place then Kyrie wasn't the sole culprit of everything (nobody is arguing that) or that he wasn't that bad (he was that bad). |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2019 23:53:52 GMT -5
Yes the narrative that anything negative said about Irving some how implies he was the only issue. Add Pedro's constant love for Irving and it's like a 50-50 mix which is crazy. Irving deserves what he's getting. Yeah, I don't love Irving for the millionth time. I just can see that he got the wrong end of the stick in Boston. I can see that he's uber talented and you can WIN with him. I can also see this backfiring on the Celtics big-time if Irving and his buddy (the second best player in basketball, when healthy) in Durant comes back to bite the Celtics and wins with the Nets. Danny Ainge coveted both players. He traded assets to get one of them. Pedro you have like hundreds and hundreds of pro loving Irving posts. Till right now your basically saying this is going to bite us in the ass. If you don't love Irving, I don't like Rozier. Come on he was held up on a pedestal for well over a year in Boston. He only got crap because of what he did and said. If he just shut his mouth nothing would have happened. He litterally created his own negative narrative in Boston. Can you really not see that? Don't blame the town or fans and act like Irving did nothing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 3, 2019 0:04:28 GMT -5
So Vonleh and WCS got basically minimum level deals on day three of free agency. Wow
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 3, 2019 0:36:46 GMT -5
So certain people can force feed a concept down our throats but when we comment that it doesnt tell the whole story and WE are to blame? That might explain the interactions on this board better than anyone ever could. Even the most ardent Kyrie hater will tell you that there were issues with the team besides Kyrie. Getting rid of him doesn't solve everything. However, it's a step in the right direction. There were other problems, but Kyrie was a pretty significant problem. It's a bit disingenuous to imply that since there were other issues in place then Kyrie wasn't the sole culprit of everything (nobody is arguing that) or that he wasn't that bad (he was that bad). Lol Don, you're talking like a rational person. That's not what happened last year. People on here were blaming Iriving for everything- -They were blaming Baynes for jacking up dumb threes because of the way Irving ran the offense. -Blaming Iriving for the sophomore slump of Tatum because Iriving was hogging the ball. They were blaming Tatum's tentiveness and disappearing acts on Irving. -They were blaming ALL of the locker room problems on Irving because he wasn't a leader. -They blamed the entire loss in Milwaukee on Irving (not because they were simply the better team). It was frankly ridiculous. RJP stopped posting in the last 2 months of the season because of it. I can admit Irving was a problem. I can admit he's a huge reason why they lost. I hope he loses out in Brooklyn. Can the biassed Kyrie haters admit that the young players played a huge part of why the Celtics lost? Can they blame the locker room problems on them too? Can they admit that this was a sh*t rebounding team? Can they admit that Horford and Hayward were a shell of themselves? The only thing they were willing to admit outside of Iriving is that Stevens had a crap year at coaching. Other than that, it was all Iriving. He was the main problem. They think this team's problems are fixed probably now that Kyrie is gone. MAN DO THEY HAVE ANOTHER THING COMING TO THEM. This team has a chance to win, but only because the conference got weaker once Leonard probably leaves for the West. The progression of Brown and Tatum has a lot to do with it too and both of that is unknown at the moment. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 3, 2019 0:40:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't love Irving for the millionth time. I just can see that he got the wrong end of the stick in Boston. I can see that he's uber talented and you can WIN with him. I can also see this backfiring on the Celtics big-time if Irving and his buddy (the second best player in basketball, when healthy) in Durant comes back to bite the Celtics and wins with the Nets. Danny Ainge coveted both players. He traded assets to get one of them. Pedro you have like hundreds and hundreds of pro loving Irving posts. Till right now your basically saying this is going to bite us in the ass. If you don't love Irving, I don't like Rozier. Come on he was held up on a pedestal for well over a year in Boston. He only got crap because of what he did and said. If he just shut his mouth nothing would have happened. He litterally created his own negative narrative in Boston. Can you really not see that? Don't blame the town or fans and act like Irving did nothing. There's hundreds of pro Irving posts because I recognize he's a great talent and you can win with him. Like Hello?!!! You were leading the charge to get Irving out of here all year with the way you bashed him from really the time he got here because of the way you didn't like that he ran the offense (even though they won a lot with him the first year running the offense that way). |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 3, 2019 3:51:53 GMT -5
I really like the Poirier signing. Reminds me of a bigger version of Theis. 75 percent of the highlights of Poirior shows lobs, blocks, and screen and rolls. Like it's great he can do all that, and he should help out, but does this guy have a offensive game? Can he shoot from beyond 15 feet? Is he a good passer? Those would be my questions about him. He looks like a true traditional Center, by all means. He does look like he'll be good maybe great inside 5 feet of the basket. He'll be fun to watch with Marcus Smart, because no one is better at the lob play then him. Brad Stevens will have more traditional Centers on this team than he has ever had since he got here. It's going to be interesting how he utilizes him. I'm sick of the rebounding problems and I hope they've fixed it with Poirier and Kanter. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 3, 2019 5:26:39 GMT -5
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