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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2019 17:56:36 GMT -5
Color me confused by not looking to add a legit PF, it makes zero sense given you now have 17 roster spots. We have two undersized PFs on the roster, a rookie and Semi who hasn't played much. Even if you plan on playing Tatum there a lot, you can use depth, it's a long season. I can see where they might need a more traditional PF on the team, but aren't they going to have a hard enough time getting minutes to everyone they already have? It's for long-term depth, a guy that plays when injuries mount up during a long season. So I don't see playing time as an issue. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2019 18:02:20 GMT -5
Max deal for Brown? I don't know. I kind of pause at that. You might be forced into doing that, but I wouldn't feel great about it. It would be borderline cringy to me, in fact. I would think Closer to Garry Harris four year 84 million, than a max level deal right now. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 25, 2019 19:32:28 GMT -5
Where does Brown rank in the great scheme of things in the NBA? Is he top third of players?, Top 20%?.
If so, do the top 20-33% of guys get the max? Ouch.
You have Hayward, Walker, Tatum...and Brown? What's left for the rest of the roster?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2019 19:41:20 GMT -5
I think we'll find out a whole lot about Tatum and Brown this year with a brand new start.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2019 19:46:55 GMT -5
Where does Brown rank in the great scheme of things in the NBA? Is he top third of players?, Top 20%?. If so, do the top 20-33% of guys get the max? Ouch. You have Hayward, Walker, Tatum...and Brown? What's left for the rest of the roster? Hayward has this year and next on his contract. With a player option for next year. He’s no longer a max guy; also, Jaylens max as a 4 year player will be a lot less than Kemba and Hayward’s max. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 25, 2019 22:16:04 GMT -5
To be clear, I'm not suggesting Brown is with the max now. Just suggesting hes likely not taking anything less before reaching RFA
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Post by texs31 on Jul 26, 2019 7:52:49 GMT -5
Where does Brown rank in the great scheme of things in the NBA? Is he top third of players?, Top 20%?. If so, do the top 20-33% of guys get the max? Ouch. You have Hayward, Walker, Tatum...and Brown? What's left for the rest of the roster? Hayward has this year and next on his contract. With a player option for next year. He’s no longer a max guy; also, Jaylens max as a 4 year player will be a lot less than Kemba and Hayward’s max. But even if he was, that's not limiting the ability to maintain/build a full roster. In theory, you could have a full rotation of max players (I think?) as long as: 1. You havent triggered the hard cap that year (used the bi-annual or acquired someone via S&T) 2. You're willing to pay the luxury tax 3. Any max contracts signed while not having room were to retain your own players (Bird Rights) Or I misunderstood the question which is ALWAYS a possibility. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 26, 2019 10:29:03 GMT -5
Right now the max Brown could get on the open market is 4 years 117 million. Celtics could offer 4 and 5 year deals at 122 and 158 million.
Not a massive difference to Hayward at 128 million over 4 years and Walker at 140.7 million over 4 years. Brown will get 8% raises versus 5% for guys signed as free agents.
Brown has a huge start to the season he likely won't sign anything but a max deal. Yet there's zero reason to currently offer him a max level deal. I'll have to look into the cap increase for next year. If it's going to be big and really change things, that might be a big factor. Still think Brown is much closer right now to a guy like Harris than Simmons or Russell. You only offer max level deals this early for guys that are going to get max offers without a doubt in free agency.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 27, 2019 13:08:02 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2019 14:12:58 GMT -5
The pick is unprotected in 2021, so it can't roll over to 2022.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 27, 2019 15:13:05 GMT -5
Damn. I was off a year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2019 1:53:19 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/marcus-smart-opens-about-kyrie-irving-dysfunction-and-usa-basketball"Notably, Smart called the now-departed Kyrie Irving a "great teammate" and a generally "misunderstood" person. Smart shared an anecdote about how Irving was one of the first to text Smart after the passing of his mother, and the two would often have deep talks. "It wasn't even about basketball," Smart said." Like many pundits have pointed out, many of the Celtics' issues started with players whose skill-sets didn't mesh perfectly. Too many players had to sacrifice shots or minutes for the good of the team, Smart said. Off the court, the players hung out and liked each other, Smart said." What a terrible person Kyrie was. Being the first to reach out after Smart's mother died. Selfish prick, that guy is.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 30, 2019 8:52:56 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/marcus-smart-opens-about-kyrie-irving-dysfunction-and-usa-basketball"Notably, Smart called the now-departed Kyrie Irving a "great teammate" and a generally "misunderstood" person. Smart shared an anecdote about how Irving was one of the first to text Smart after the passing of his mother, and the two would often have deep talks. "It wasn't even about basketball," Smart said." Like many pundits have pointed out, many of the Celtics' issues started with players whose skill-sets didn't mesh perfectly. Too many players had to sacrifice shots or minutes for the good of the team, Smart said. Off the court, the players hung out and liked each other, Smart said." What a terrible person Kyrie was. Being the first to reach out after Smart's mother died. Selfish prick, that guy is. Marcus Smart is a unique individual, in a good way. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2019 9:04:41 GMT -5
So this is where we have to ignore pedro's post and not reply or else he'll get mad for piling on Kyrie?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2019 10:36:42 GMT -5
This is the part where a lot of fans have zero clue about Kyrie Irving, even when sh*t has been speculated like all over the place.
There's a teammate right there. Defending him twice. Kyrie Irving showing a side that doesn't catch headlines or fit narratives. Go figure.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 30, 2019 10:57:49 GMT -5
This is the part where a lot of fans have zero clue about Kyrie Irving, even when sh*t has been speculated like all over the place. There's a teammate right there. Defending him twice. Kyrie Irving showing a side that doesn't catch headlines or fit narratives. Go figure. We don’t live in a black and white world. People are both good and sh*tty. They are both good and do crappy things. They do good things and bad things. There’s a lot that goes into being a good teammate and some people do some of them but fail at others. What’s clear is Kyrie didn’t like it here so he’s not here any more. We can dole out blame in whatever pie slices we’d like but it doesn’t change the greater point that things were lousy last year and he was part of it. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2019 12:21:27 GMT -5
This is the part where a lot of fans have zero clue about Kyrie Irving, even when sh*t has been speculated like all over the place. There's a teammate right there. Defending him twice. Kyrie Irving showing a side that doesn't catch headlines or fit narratives. Go figure. So either you want to argue about this again despite complaining about everyone continuing to talk about it or... |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jul 30, 2019 12:52:03 GMT -5
To use another Boston sports example, Lawyer Milloy was a leader for the Patriots and helped them win a Super Bowl. He was very popular in the Patriots locker room, his teammates loved him by all accounts, but he eventually became a negative leader and Bill had to move on. You can really only be a negative leader if your teammates like/respect you, if a player is a jerk who doesn't get along with anyone they'll be tuned out and won't hold much influence. Some would say David Price was a negative leader here at points (the Eckersley thing, etc.) but he's universally loved by his teammates. Kyrie can certainly grow/mature from this year but he lacked accountability (as did the entire team) and that's something the lead guy can't do, even in the NBA.
We should also acknowledge it's pretty rare for teammates to rip former teammates in any sport.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 30, 2019 16:06:55 GMT -5
This is the part where a lot of fans have zero clue about Kyrie Irving, even when sh*t has been speculated like all over the place. There's a teammate right there. Defending him twice. Kyrie Irving showing a side that doesn't catch headlines or fit narratives. Go figure. Do honestly think that an all time nice guy like Marcus Smart would throw Kyrie under the bus? Of course he's going to say he's a great guy, Smart is an actual good teammate. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with "being a good teammate" and "throwing people under the bus". |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2019 16:48:22 GMT -5
This is the part where a lot of fans have zero clue about Kyrie Irving, even when sh*t has been speculated like all over the place. There's a teammate right there. Defending him twice. Kyrie Irving showing a side that doesn't catch headlines or fit narratives. Go figure. Do honestly think that an all time nice guy like Marcus Smart would throw Kyrie under the bus? Of course he's going to say he's a great guy, Smart is an actual good teammate. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with "being a good teammate" and "throwing people under the bus". I don't know Don. If Kyrie was the first person to call when a teammates mother dies, that shows he is actually a good person and perception isn't more the reality here. Marcus Smart is definitely the man though. He might be my favorite athlete in Boston right now outside of Tom Brady. Xander is up there in this same group too. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2019 16:58:30 GMT -5
It's not like he promised a Make a Wish kid that he'd hit a HR and then hit 3 of them. Against the Yankees!  |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2019 17:54:09 GMT -5
Do honestly think that an all time nice guy like Marcus Smart would throw Kyrie under the bus? Of course he's going to say he's a great guy, Smart is an actual good teammate. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with "being a good teammate" and "throwing people under the bus". I don't know Don. If Kyrie was the first person to call when a teammates mother dies, that shows he is actually a good person and perception isn't more the reality here. Marcus Smart is definitely the man though. He might be my favorite athlete in Boston right now outside of Tom Brady. Xander is up there in this same group too. Didn't you just tell us all to let it go? The article says one of the first to text Smart, not the first to call. Standard type crap teammates do. I don't think many people think Irving is some evil person. Our hate went towards Irving the Basketball player, his actions in that role and his business decessions. On the flip side he's also the only guy that wouldn't sign Basketballs for Charity on the whole team. Smart gave your typical company line and the politically correct answer, which isn't surprising. First it's Smart, second that's what most players do, don't burn Bridges, third he was part of the Irving crew with Irving getting him a starting spot. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 3, 2019 12:20:08 GMT -5
Draymond Green just signed a 4/100 extension.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 23, 2019 11:27:19 GMT -5
I can't think of a better thing then having four Celtic players playing together for the whole summer. Walker and Smart were just made captains. Not great for team US, as it's the worst overall talent I've ever seen, yet great for us. They get to bond, learn how to play together and get great experience against teams that play a bunch of different ways. Nevermind they get different coaches to help them grow as players.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 23, 2019 13:12:18 GMT -5
To be clear, they were not named captains but, instead, Pop said they would be leaning on them for leadership.
This clarification is from Marc Stein.
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