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7/22-7/24 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 24, 2019 14:27:26 GMT -5
Who was doing color in this series? I've had no cable for the duration.
My X1 box was fried by a lightning strike Monday eve while I was at the movies, and I swapped the box Tue and came home to find a Comcast outage in my area which has now lasted more than 24 hours. Carlos Pena
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 24, 2019 14:27:39 GMT -5
Surprise, being a jerk for no reason. As if just disagreeing has to be some personal vendetta.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2019 14:27:52 GMT -5
Yeah. The Sox won the series because of Cora's decisions yesterday.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2019 14:31:14 GMT -5
Yeah. The Sox won the series because of Cora's decisions yesterday. Right. There's only one way to manage the 9th inning with a 3 run lead. And that's by giving up 2 runs by leaving Workman in to pitch 44 pitches. It's as if you're determined to be right about trading the farm for relief pitchers rather than letting Taylor and Darwinzon ease into higher leverage. And you're going to double, triple, quadruple, quintuple, etc. down on the arguing about it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2019 14:34:05 GMT -5
Yeah. The Sox won the series because of Cora's decisions yesterday. Right. There's only one way to manage the 9th inning with a 3 run lead. And that's by giving up 2 runs by leaving Workman in to pitch 44 pitches. It's as if you're determined to be right about trading the farm for relief pitchers rather than letting Taylor and Darwinzon ease into higher leverage. And you're going to double, triple, quadruple, quintuple, etc. down on the arguing about it. In THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME of the season, yes. There's only one way to do it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 24, 2019 14:34:14 GMT -5
I wasn't super impressed by Taylor today. I think a more patient lineup takes him to lunch.
Darwinzon seems like he can handle 1-2 innings before losing control.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 24, 2019 14:37:56 GMT -5
I take it you didn't check Morton's numbers before the game started? I know about that, but he is not undefeated with a 0.00 ERA. The offense this season, though loaded with big numbers, struggles far too much for the quality of the hitters. Cora has admitted often with how so many starters close down the offense. By my count, including today, the Red Sox have scored 3 or fewer runs in 30 games. The numbers for the AL division leaders (which also happen to be 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in runs scored): NYY - 24 MIN - 27 HOU - 37 And the other wild card contenders: CLE - 44 TB - 42 OAK - 36 So of this group, the Red Sox are third best. I guess if you squint you could see that as a slight underperformance, but only relative to the fact that they've scored the most runs in the league. Hard for me to feel too upset about that. But if you have a different suggestion for quantifying "how so many starters close down the offense," I'm open to hearing it.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2019 14:39:18 GMT -5
Right. There's only one way to manage the 9th inning with a 3 run lead. And that's by giving up 2 runs by leaving Workman in to pitch 44 pitches. It's as if you're determined to be right about trading the farm for relief pitchers rather than letting Taylor and Darwinzon ease into higher leverage. And you're going to double, triple, quadruple, quintuple, etc. down on the arguing about it. In THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME of the season, yes. There's only one way to do it. Geez, they should have brought in Price then.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 24, 2019 14:42:40 GMT -5
What in the hell is going on? They lost the DH with this crap, how hard is it to figure out? The moment you move the pitcher into the field, he has to bat in the DH's spot. You cannot swap him with the pitcher who's coming into the game -- that guy, the guy who is now entering the game, has to bat in the spot of the player leaving the game. Who was batting 9th, not 3rd.
If they don't reverse this, we play the game under protest and we win it.
If the pitcher pinch-hits or pinch-runs, he stays in that spot. I believe that is allowed.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 24, 2019 14:42:59 GMT -5
Who was doing color in this series? I've had no cable for the duration.
My X1 box was fried by a lightning strike Monday eve while I was at the movies, and I swapped the box Tue and came home to find a Comcast outage in my area which has now lasted more than 24 hours. Carlos Pena Man, I wish I'd know that, which is to say, it's one more thing that sucks about not being able to watch the games as I had planned. (When I finally get working cable, I should be able to at least look at highlights, as I set up all the recordings through at least the Yankee series, and they just record into the cloud, not your actual box.)
Pena was the one guy I talked the Sox into acquiring (for nothing). We let him go because he seemed redundant to Eric Hinske, and there wasn't room to keep him on the 40-man.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 24, 2019 14:43:19 GMT -5
Right. There's only one way to manage the 9th inning with a 3 run lead. And that's by giving up 2 runs by leaving Workman in to pitch 44 pitches. It's as if you're determined to be right about trading the farm for relief pitchers rather than letting Taylor and Darwinzon ease into higher leverage. And you're going to double, triple, quadruple, quintuple, etc. down on the arguing about it. In THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME of the season, yes. There's only one way to do it. The most important game of the season was @tb on July 23rd? Wait till you find out who they were playing July 24th!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2019 14:44:29 GMT -5
In THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME of the season, yes. There's only one way to do it. The most important game of the season was @tb on July 23rd? Wait till you find out who they were playing July 24th! You're fighting to not be sellers at the trade deadline. If you lost this series, you would have been right there.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 24, 2019 14:45:21 GMT -5
Winning 2 out of 3 today was big for this team, but it won't mean much if they lose 3 out of 4 or 4 out of 4 against NY. With Porcello and Cashner getting a turn I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried of this happening.
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Post by bosox on Jul 24, 2019 14:53:28 GMT -5
Winning 2 out of 3 today was big for this team, but it won't mean much if they lose 3 out of 4 or 4 out of 4 against NY. With Porcello and Cashner getting a turn I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried of this happening. Correct. Taking this series from the Rays was a great start in the right direction. The Sox need to start winning series and if they lose the NY and then the Rays series it willing be interesting to see what DD does at the deadline as far as buying or selling.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 24, 2019 14:58:29 GMT -5
I know about that, but he is not undefeated with a 0.00 ERA. The offense this season, though loaded with big numbers, struggles far too much for the quality of the hitters. Cora has admitted often with how so many starters close down the offense. By my count, including today, the Red Sox have scored 3 or fewer runs in 30 games. The numbers for the AL division leaders (which also happen to be 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in runs scored): NYY - 24 MIN - 27 HOU - 37 And the other wild card contenders: CLE - 44 TB - 42 OAK - 36 So of this group, the Red Sox are third best. I guess if you squint you could see that as a slight underperformance, but only relative to the fact that they've scored the most runs in the league. Hard for me to feel too upset about that. But if you have a different suggestion for quantifying "how so many starters close down the offense," I'm open to hearing it. For whatever reason, we don't tend to agree on much, so I won't really put much energy into debating it with you. A few of you use lots of stats - I go game by game and use my eyes, many years watching the games, and also listening to what Cora says after games. Stats can be made to show or prove anything. But it is which games the scoring happens, clutch hitting, pressure put on pitchers because of squanders. Call me old, or old fashioned - I am just someone who has listened to or watched most Red Sox games in my 52 years of being a fan - and it becomes pretty clear when things are clicking, and when things are not.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 24, 2019 15:01:29 GMT -5
What in the hell is going on? They lost the DH with this crap, how hard is it to figure out? The moment you move the pitcher into the field, he has to bat in the DH's spot. You cannot swap him with the pitcher who's coming into the game -- that guy, the guy who is now entering the game, has to bat in the spot of the player leaving the game. Who was batting 9th, not 3rd.
If they don't reverse this, we play the game under protest and we win it.
Here is what Cash could have done: Call time-out, bring the DH in to play 1B. Call timeout again, bring the guy from the bullpen in (Roe), replacing that new first basemen. Then, go to the mound and bring the first baseman over to the mound and move Kolarek to first. Allowed?
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Post by incandenza on Jul 24, 2019 15:07:51 GMT -5
By my count, including today, the Red Sox have scored 3 or fewer runs in 30 games. The numbers for the AL division leaders (which also happen to be 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in runs scored): NYY - 24 MIN - 27 HOU - 37 And the other wild card contenders: CLE - 44 TB - 42 OAK - 36 So of this group, the Red Sox are third best. I guess if you squint you could see that as a slight underperformance, but only relative to the fact that they've scored the most runs in the league. Hard for me to feel too upset about that. But if you have a different suggestion for quantifying "how so many starters close down the offense," I'm open to hearing it. For whatever reason, we don't tend to agree on much, so I won't really put much energy into debating it with you. A few of you use lots of stats - I go game by game and use my eyes, many years watching the games, and also listening to what Cora says after games. Stats can be made to show or prove anything. But it is which games the scoring happens, clutch hitting, pressure put on pitchers because of squanders. Call me old, or old fashioned - I am just someone who has listened to or watched most Red Sox games in my 52 years of being a fan - and it becomes pretty clear when things are clicking, and when things are not. The thing is, I've watched a fair percentage of the games this season, and I just don't see an offense that isn't clicking. I see a really potent offense that scores a ton of runs. To be fair, their clutch hitting is a little lower than you'd expect. But it's still not actually bad - clearly not bad enough to prevent them from scoring the most runs in the league. For what it's worth, even if we disagree, I really enjoy your enthusiasm and contributions to these threads!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2019 15:10:13 GMT -5
Damn. I wanted a sweep. Meatloaf was wrong !!!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 24, 2019 15:17:45 GMT -5
For whatever reason, we don't tend to agree on much, so I won't really put much energy into debating it with you. A few of you use lots of stats - I go game by game and use my eyes, many years watching the games, and also listening to what Cora says after games. Stats can be made to show or prove anything. But it is which games the scoring happens, clutch hitting, pressure put on pitchers because of squanders. Call me old, or old fashioned - I am just someone who has listened to or watched most Red Sox games in my 52 years of being a fan - and it becomes pretty clear when things are clicking, and when things are not. The thing is, I've watched a fair percentage of the games this season, and I just don't see an offense that isn't clicking. I see a really potent offense that scores a ton of runs. To be fair, their clutch hitting is a little lower than you'd expect. But it's still not actually bad - clearly not bad enough to prevent them from scoring the most runs in the league. For what it's worth, even if we disagree, I really enjoy your enthusiasm and contributions to these threads! Thank you...I appreciate that and right back at you. Having different points of view, which we do in general throughout this board, is beneficial even if it can get heated. And the "we all need a Snickers" moments are after frustrating losses of course. 😄
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 24, 2019 15:18:00 GMT -5
Outside of that massive game by JBJ it seems his struggles at the plate continue. Luckily, this team has been hitting for the most part, but he's really a fringe starter.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2019 15:19:55 GMT -5
Damn. I wanted a sweep. Meatloaf was wrong !!! As long as the meatloaf doesn't start barking back at you 9 hours later, you should be good Jerry. Lol.
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Post by bosox on Jul 24, 2019 15:34:53 GMT -5
Damn. I wanted a sweep. Meatloaf was wrong !!! You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 24, 2019 15:46:13 GMT -5
Rafi now tied for 3rd place in all MLB for RBIs. Not bad hitting out of the two hole in the lineup.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 24, 2019 15:53:29 GMT -5
Yeah..We are protesting !! Serves Cash right....Cora ain't taking it.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2019 15:57:50 GMT -5
The MLB wrap writeup of the game doesn't even mention the delay or the protest.
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