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2019-20 Boston Celtics Season
wcp3
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 25, 2020 20:48:12 GMT -5
NBA officiating is broken.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 25, 2020 22:08:17 GMT -5
Have I mentioned that the refs can go to hell?
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2020 22:27:51 GMT -5
Now that my friends was a FCKING HALF OF BASKETBALL!
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2020 22:30:21 GMT -5
Oh and I have to give Daniel Theis some MAJOR credit for balling absolutely out of his mind. Respect! That's what I meant we needed an interior presence, someone who impacts the game on both ends. Theis did that in spades tonight.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2020 22:37:08 GMT -5
Don that's what good coaching looks like, Stevens actually adjusting the offense to include cuts and it killed the Heat. Ugly first Quarter, yet after that they actually played Celtics Basketball! Smart, Tatum and Walker passing was very good. That's why I say they have the better talent, they can semi blow them out. The Heat can't do that to us.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 25, 2020 22:37:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I guessed we'd win this one and likely lose Sunday. But this game was nothing but impressive.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2020 22:53:12 GMT -5
Don that's what good coaching looks like, Stevens actually adjusting the offense to include cuts and it killed the Heat. Ugly first Quarter, yet after that they actually played Celtics Basketball! Smart, Tatum and Walker passing was very good. That's why I say they have the better talent, they can semi blow them out. The Heat can't do that to us. Yeah, he had his guys constantly attacking the weakside of the Miami zone where they can be exploited. I feel like the idea was to do it last game as well, but guys just couldn't execute. I thought the players were finally playing loose again. Stevens used Kanter beautifully tonight. All around great stuff save from the nightmarish first quarter. If we lose this series it will be frustrating, but there are worse things in life than an off-season of still maturing Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum knowing damn well they should have gone to the Finals.
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Post by ianrs on Sept 26, 2020 12:02:35 GMT -5
Amazing win and half and honestly huge of them to not fold after that first quarter.
Kanter as the stabilizing early presence, amazing. And Theis outplayed Adebayo completely, massive game.
If we play similar next time we can for sure steal G6, then G7 is anybody's game.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2020 13:11:35 GMT -5
The Celtics have Brown, Tatum, Walker, Smart and Hayward that can create and pass. They need to remember that. Like I almost forgot how good Smart can be passing the ball given how he was playing. That's how they need to play, that's how you beat the zone and crazy defenses.
I still can't believe what happened given how they started, which was about as bad as they could. No passing, no driving, just jacking up three's.
Finally Steven's added cutting to the offense, when added to great passing it kills zone D and the Heat had no idea how to adjust. First time this series that happened, first time we really throw something at them they weren't ready for.
Slight worry that towards the end they stopped that and went back to jacking up three's. They need to stop that, attack, pass, cut and take your three point shots off of that. No creating three's off the dribble.
I also loved Steven's basically telling Brown to just score. The Heat focus the D to stop Tatum and Walker, so he's the guy who should be just looking to score. As long as it's like last night or game three with him driving all night long. They can't stop that.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 26, 2020 13:24:24 GMT -5
Slight worry that towards the end they stopped that and went back to jacking up three's. They need to stop that, attack, pass, cut and take your three point shots off of that. No creating three's off the dribble. I just rewatched the 4th and I don't think they did that except for a couple of Tatum 3s that shouldn't have happened. Hayward got a good foul inside, Brown had a nice move on Herro to put the game away for good, Smart got contact on Dragic to put him at 5 fouls. Even the last basket was a backdoor cut by Jaylen in the soft spot of the Miami zone. Late game execution was MUCH better last night than it was earlier in the series. The lead never truly dwindled despite Herro hitting a hard 3, Dragic getting bailed on a ridiculous foul call on Theis that got him 3 FTs, or Robinson making a long two for the and one. Miami didn't really play poorly until a stupid long 3 by Robinson, the Celtics just kept outplaying them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 26, 2020 14:05:39 GMT -5
Slight worry that towards the end they stopped that and went back to jacking up three's. They need to stop that, attack, pass, cut and take your three point shots off of that. No creating three's off the dribble. I just rewatched the 4th and I don't think they did that except for a couple of Tatum 3s that shouldn't have happened. Hayward got a good foul inside, Brown had a nice move on Herro to put the game away for good, Smart got contact on Dragic to put him at 5 fouls. Even the last basket was a backdoor cut by Jaylen in the soft spot of the Miami zone. Late game execution was MUCH better last night than it was earlier in the series. The lead never truly dwindled despite Herro hitting a hard 3, Dragic getting bailed on a ridiculous foul call on Theis that got him 3 FTs, or Robinson making a long two for the and one. Miami didn't really play poorly until a stupid long 3 by Robinson, the Celtics just kept outplaying them. Last two minutes they took three straight three's, Brown than Tatum took two straight. Then you had the Brown layup. It wasn't huge, maybe they didn't care because of the score. Yet they stopped moving, cutting passing and just took three's as the clock was winding down. We've seen that all playoffs and it cost us a few games. Even last game they can't come close to just playing a full good game. They need to work on plays to kill clock, because I'd rather a good shot over just killing time and taking bad shots. Iso Tatum, Walker or Brown threes aren't good shots. If they play 48 minutes of ball movement and good not even great D, they are almost impossible to beat. It might seem small, yet I want those guys in the mindset of always moving the ball and driving 24/7. A big part of that is getting guys in foul trouble, which makes them less aggressive on D or they foul out. Most likely Dragic isn't going to be as aggressive next game after he gets a few fouls.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 27, 2020 0:37:44 GMT -5
Last two minutes they took three straight three's, Brown than Tatum took two straight. Then you had the Brown layup. It wasn't huge, maybe they didn't care because of the score. Yet they stopped moving, cutting passing and just took three's as the clock was winding down. We've seen that all playoffs and it cost us a few games. Even last game they can't come close to just playing a full good game. They need to work on plays to kill clock, because I'd rather a good shot over just killing time and taking bad shots. Iso Tatum, Walker or Brown threes aren't good shots. Oh yeah, I forgot about that Brown 3, but I think he didn't have anyone to pass the ball and he was hot from that spot, not a terrible shot. The consecutive Tatum 3s were indeed very bad. Tatum had nice numbers and he absolutely dominated in the 3rd and yet he can play even better. I do agree with you that they can be even better in the late game execution, but I think last game was night and day from the first 2 games in the series. What they absolutely can't do tomorrow is digging themselves another big hole to start the game. Miami can be pretty insurmountable with a lead because they have so many guys with circus shot potential.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 27, 2020 7:11:29 GMT -5
Last two minutes they took three straight three's, Brown than Tatum took two straight. Then you had the Brown layup. It wasn't huge, maybe they didn't care because of the score. Yet they stopped moving, cutting passing and just took three's as the clock was winding down. We've seen that all playoffs and it cost us a few games. Even last game they can't come close to just playing a full good game. They need to work on plays to kill clock, because I'd rather a good shot over just killing time and taking bad shots. Iso Tatum, Walker or Brown threes aren't good shots. Oh yeah, I forgot about that Brown 3, but I think he didn't have anyone to pass the ball and he was hot from that spot, not a terrible shot. The consecutive Tatum 3s were indeed very bad. Tatum had nice numbers and he absolutely dominated in the 3rd and yet he can play even better. I do agree with you that they can be even better in the late game execution, but I think last game was night and day from the first 2 games in the series. What they absolutely can't do tomorrow is digging themselves another big hole to start the game. Miami can be pretty insurmountable with a lead because they have so many guys with circus shot potential. I don’t have a problem with those 3 pointers - they were up 13 with the ball under 2 minute left. They’d be dumb to start up 13 with the ball, 1:57 on the clock and start running plays to get “better shots” earlier in the shot clock. On top of it, Browns started it at the end of the clock and that was off of ball movement. So the real questionable ones would be Tatum but his first one was the Celtics up 13 with 1:32 left on the clock... no issues just milking the shot clock... worst case is you give them back the ball, up 13 with under 1:10... is rather that than a potential turn over... Tatum ended up with his own rebound so standing there with 1:07 left milking more clock isn’t a bad play either. I understand the argument that you’d rather Tatum take it to the basket on his first 3 point attempt and I won’t argue it would have been more ideal. However, too much action, cutting and getting overly aggressive could have easily backfired with turn overs early in the shot clock.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 27, 2020 12:33:53 GMT -5
I don’t have a problem with those 3 pointers - they were up 13 with the ball under 2 minute left. They’d be dumb to start up 13 with the ball, 1:57 on the clock and start running plays to get “better shots” earlier in the shot clock. On top of it, Browns started it at the end of the clock and that was off of ball movement. So the real questionable ones would be Tatum but his first one was the Celtics up 13 with 1:32 left on the clock... no issues just milking the shot clock... worst case is you give them back the ball, up 13 with under 1:10... is rather that than a potential turn over... Tatum ended up with his own rebound so standing there with 1:07 left milking more clock isn’t a bad play either. I understand the argument that you’d rather Tatum take it to the basket on his first 3 point attempt and I won’t argue it would have been more ideal. However, too much action, cutting and getting overly aggressive could have easily backfired with turn overs early in the shot clock. I have no problem with Brown's 3, he basically had to shoot that ball since the risk of a turnover was too high for him to do anything else. I think the Tatum shots were a bit on the lazier, but not really problematic since the lead was too big. Like I said, the late game execution was MUCH better in the last game. Miami never got close because Boston just kept balling.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2020 12:39:49 GMT -5
The problem wasn't last game, but if you do that up 3 or 6 like we've seen all Playoff long. I'd rather good shots over just running the clock out and taking a three. If you can't not turn it over, you need to work on that.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 19:02:11 GMT -5
It’s inexplicable that Marcus never gets benched when he’s shooting his team out of the game.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 19:05:23 GMT -5
Smart’s bricks and turnovers are absolutely killing this team. And yet he hasn’t seen the bench yet.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 27, 2020 19:18:51 GMT -5
Smart’s bricks and turnovers are absolutely killing this team. And yet he hasn’t seen the bench yet. 👀
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 27, 2020 19:34:33 GMT -5
I hope Rob Will can become a smart defender because his impact can be huge
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 19:42:52 GMT -5
Smart’s bricks and turnovers are absolutely killing this team. And yet he hasn’t seen the bench yet. 👀 They played best with him on the bench.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 20:04:00 GMT -5
The Celtics are puking all over themselves right now. Embarrassing to watch.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 27, 2020 20:05:31 GMT -5
How many F-ing layups can professional basketball players miss? And how many F-ing lucky bounces can they get?
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 20:13:17 GMT -5
What a soft basketball team.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 20:18:48 GMT -5
Stevens’ adjustment is to put Grant and Wannamaker in together with the season on the line.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 27, 2020 20:26:35 GMT -5
Doesn't feel like a lot has gone right, but we're down 2 with 12 mins left. What are the Celts made of here?
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