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2019-20 Boston Celtics Season
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Post by tizzle on Sept 27, 2020 20:28:56 GMT -5
Screw Butler and double screw the refs! Jesus Christ.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 20:30:25 GMT -5
Mark Davis is a piece of human garbage. Staring right at the play and doesn’t make a call there.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 27, 2020 20:42:09 GMT -5
Herro HOt Celtics cold - not good
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Post by tizzle on Sept 27, 2020 20:42:55 GMT -5
Of course, now nothing is gonna fall for us and all their's will.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 20:47:35 GMT -5
You cannot make a worse coaching decision than Stevens going back to Theis there.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 20:55:11 GMT -5
Yet another choke in crunch time. And you have to love Brad siting on his hands and not using a timeout until the Heat were up 7, and then not using his challenge on a clear charge.
This team needs a dose of toughness for next season. They are as soft as it gets.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 27, 2020 20:55:33 GMT -5
NBA officiting, LOL.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 27, 2020 20:59:59 GMT -5
I'm not going to complain about the players too much. The shots just wouldn't fall at the wrong time, Miami got the breaks and some calls.
Brad not challenging that clear charge at a point where his team desperately needed it was amateur hour, though.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 27, 2020 21:03:14 GMT -5
Good thing Brad called that timeout with 26 seconds left. Such a trash in-game coach.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 27, 2020 21:15:23 GMT -5
This one is on Tatum to me. He made a lot of bad decisions this series.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 27, 2020 21:40:32 GMT -5
I think I felt like a parent watching this game, like you see your kid trying to walk but his head is too big and he can't keep in balance and you know he's going to fall. At the end, Boston did what young teams do. They couldn't take the pressure. Once Bam started going supernova and their shots just wouldn't go in, they felt that desperation and it showed. I didn't feel angry or sad or anything, I just didn't want my kid to break his head lol.
Anyway, great season! Crazy roster turnover, a huge new piece to fit in, some bad injuries and a couple of young superstars still rising. This team will go as far as Tatum and Brown will take them. I'm pleased with the results and happy that I got to watch great ball at times. Now please get a better guy to bang inside, get a proper backup PG and let's make another run at it.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 27, 2020 22:56:57 GMT -5
The Celtics were created as a pick and roll war machine with Kemba at the head. The Heat’s zone threw a massive wrench in that machine, rendering Kemba borderline unplayable due to his extreme liability on defense.
Let’s also factor in that the Heat exerted far less energy playing in a zone for the majority of this series.
I’m not sure what you do with Kemba and Hayward this off-season.
I’m terrified that Tatum doesn’t sign an extension this year.
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Post by ianrs on Sept 28, 2020 0:20:32 GMT -5
I just don't understand how Marcus Smart can think bombing 3s is the way to beat that team after we learned the two games we won that the way to win was physical driving. I dont understand how a captain esque, D first guy can be a completely selfish offensive player. I'm honestly tired of him. If you told me before game 6 that he would have the most shot attempts on the team, easy pencil in for a loss. Absolutely obnoxious when you have the offensive weapons that we have.
Too bad because we gave this series to the Heat. Still, better season than expected. We need a backup PG and good center to win a chip. Could have been nice to have a healthy Hayward but can't count on that anymore. Honestly our team was never healthy enough to get comfortable playing with one another consistently.
Oh and Brad, give Grant Williams at least 20 minutes a game. Brad continues to be poor at making in-game adjustments and noticing things (like the 22-8 run with Grant Williams in, then taking him out...). Not to mention the 26 seconds remaining timeout after the game was already lost.
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Post by ianrs on Sept 28, 2020 0:32:56 GMT -5
This one is on Tatum to me. He made a lot of bad decisions this series. He did, but he was our best player all playoffs and still arguably in this series. He just wasnt quite ready to fully take over and make up for his team's shortcomings, which is fine at 22. Jayson Tatum is the only player in NBA history with 5 career postseason games with 25+ pts, 10+ ast & 5+ ast before turning 23, topping: Lebron, Kareem, Kobe, and Magic. That's superstardom that's arrived, even if he was inconsistent in a weird environment. Next season is for sure win now time. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2020 8:40:36 GMT -5
It sucks, you can nitpick crap to death. Yet this was more the Heat were just red hot all game. Iggy hits five straight three's after doing almost nothing the first five games and that was basically the difference. I don't think Stevens was out coached in that game, we got good shots all game long they just went ice cold from deep in the 4th. If we played that way the whole series we would have won, it just sucks it took so long to figure out the zone and they were down 3-1 by that time.
I don't get the Grant Williams stuff, he was good and solid, but he wasn't the main reason for that run. It was Brown getting steals and layups. Crap like that. I literally only remember one good strip of Bam that he made. It was much more just throwing different looks at them than what he did.
Smart needs to remember he's better and the team is better when he's passing. Like I loved a lot of what he did, especially in the second half going to the rim. Yet if I'm Stevens my goal for him is 5 plus assists a game, not the two he had last night. We need Smart the passer more than Smart the scorer.
My hot take of the day Kemba is the perfect 6th man like Lou Williams in the playoffs and I'd see what's out there in a Hayward trade.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 28, 2020 9:47:10 GMT -5
It sucks, you can nitpick crap to death. Yet this was more the Heat were just red hot all game. Iggy hits five straight three's after doing almost nothing the first five games and that was basically the difference. I don't think Stevens was out coached in that game, we got good shots all game long they just went ice cold from deep in the 4th. If we played that way the whole series we would have won, it just sucks it took so long to figure out the zone and they were down 3-1 by that time. I don't get the Grant Williams stuff, he was good and solid, but he wasn't the main reason for that run. It was Brown getting steals and layups. Crap like that. I literally only remember one good strip of Bam that he made. It was much more just throwing different looks at them than what he did. Smart needs to remember he's better and the team is better when he's passing. Like I loved a lot of what he did, especially in the second half going to the rim. Yet if I'm Stevens my goal for him is 5 plus assists a game, not the two he had last night. We need Smart the passer more than Smart the scorer. My hot take of the day Kemba is the perfect 6th man like Lou Williams in the playoffs and I'd see what's out there in a Hayward trade. He made a big impact during that run, but if all our Centers did in spurts. I think changing things up is what impacted things against DH Heat. Brad should have gone back to Rob Williams in the middle of the 4 to Change things up again. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 28, 2020 10:28:40 GMT -5
I’m not sure what you do with Kemba and Hayward this off-season. I’m terrified that Tatum doesn’t sign an extension this year. Nothing to do with Kemba, I'm not even sure he was fully healthy for the playoff run. I'd explore trading Hayward. And I really think Tatum is here for the long run. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2020 10:46:04 GMT -5
It sucks, you can nitpick crap to death. Yet this was more the Heat were just red hot all game. Iggy hits five straight three's after doing almost nothing the first five games and that was basically the difference. I don't think Stevens was out coached in that game, we got good shots all game long they just went ice cold from deep in the 4th. If we played that way the whole series we would have won, it just sucks it took so long to figure out the zone and they were down 3-1 by that time. I don't get the Grant Williams stuff, he was good and solid, but he wasn't the main reason for that run. It was Brown getting steals and layups. Crap like that. I literally only remember one good strip of Bam that he made. It was much more just throwing different looks at them than what he did. Smart needs to remember he's better and the team is better when he's passing. Like I loved a lot of what he did, especially in the second half going to the rim. Yet if I'm Stevens my goal for him is 5 plus assists a game, not the two he had last night. We need Smart the passer more than Smart the scorer. My hot take of the day Kemba is the perfect 6th man like Lou Williams in the playoffs and I'd see what's out there in a Hayward trade. He made a big impact during that run, but if all our Centers did in spurts. I think changing things up is what impacted things against DH Heat. Brad should have gone back to Rob Williams in the middle of the 4 to Change things up again. He played ten minutes was plus four, had three rebounds and box score says a block, yet it looked like a steal to me on Bam. I would have certainly played Robert Williams more. Yet our bigs weren't going to stop 48% shooting from deep, they were just hot all game long. It's just one of those games, this isn't one I have a huge problem with like other ones. They would have been up 3-0 if they played that way against the zone in the first three games. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2020 10:47:34 GMT -5
I’m not sure what you do with Kemba and Hayward this off-season. I’m terrified that Tatum doesn’t sign an extension this year. Nothing to do with Kemba, I'm not even sure he was fully healthy for the playoff run. I'd explore trading Hayward. And I really think Tatum is here for the long run. He looked fully healthy to me. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 28, 2020 13:37:33 GMT -5
He looked fully healthy to me. Ok Dr. umass. He did have an injury riddled season and was reticent about it when asked last night. |
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 28, 2020 14:28:01 GMT -5
Kemba was not fully healthy, but his knee injury sounds manageable. There were games where the explosiveness wasn’t all the way there, but I don’t think that explains some of his cold spells at the end of the Toronto series/early in the Miami series.
With that being said, he’s simply not a bench player at this stage of his career. He might be better suited for that role in 2-3 years, but not right now.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2020 15:17:27 GMT -5
He looked fully healthy to me. Ok Dr. umass. He did have an injury riddled season and was reticent about it when asked last night. The announcers even said last game how much bounce he had in his step compared to a point earlier in the year. Arthritis only gets worse, not better. He won't get more rest than he got this year getting months and months of rest before the playoffs. If you're hoping for a better version going forward I don't see how that is possible. This isn't an injury that rest or surgery can fix. He just had a full off season worth of down time. I'm certainly not a doctor, yet it sure seems given the shot he got, that his issues are arthritis from loss of cartilage due to knee surgeries. It doesn't grow back and you can't fix it with surgery. You just manage the flare ups and his most recent one had him down for months. Hence my bench role and limiting his minutes going forward. Plus teams won't focus just on him. I hope I'm dead wrong, yet go back and read what RJP posted, it all makes sense. Main reason why I look to take two guards in the draft. |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 28, 2020 16:47:46 GMT -5
I’m not sure what you do with Kemba and Hayward this off-season. I’m terrified that Tatum doesn’t sign an extension this year. Nothing to do with Kemba, I'm not even sure he was fully healthy for the playoff run. I'd explore trading Hayward. And I really think Tatum is here for the long run. Kemba was neutralized on offense with the zone scheme from Toronto and Miami.. ..and he was absolutely murdered on the defensive side of the ball. He was routinely hunted in the pick and roll against Miami. Nary a single Boston breakdown didn’t involve someone having to switch for Kemba. Who says no, Julius Randle and the 8th pick (Vassel, Okongwu, Maxey, maybe Hayes) for Kemba Walker? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 28, 2020 16:53:22 GMT -5
The announcers even said last game how much bounce he had in his step compared to a point earlier in the year. Arthritis only gets worse, not better. He won't get more rest than he got this year getting months and months of rest before the playoffs. If you're hoping for a better version going forward I don't see how that is possible. This isn't an injury that rest or surgery can fix. He just had a full off season worth of down time. I'm certainly not a doctor, yet it sure seems given the shot he got, that his issues are arthritis from loss of cartilage due to knee surgeries. It doesn't grow back and you can't fix it with surgery. You just manage the flare ups and his most recent one had him down for months. Hence my bench role and limiting his minutes going forward. Plus teams won't focus just on him. I hope I'm dead wrong, yet go back and read what RJP posted, it all makes sense. Main reason why I look to take two guards in the draft. I don't like to speculate on this kind of thing because it takes a lot of assumptions about stuff I have no clue about. Like wcp said, Kemba right now is NOT a bench player. He's not an ideal off ball guard (since Tatum will probably be the main option going forward), but he's a very good offensive guard. Defense is iffy, but it's not a deal breaker. You're not getting the PG version of Brown and Tatum any time soon. Now, moving Hayward is a conversation we could and should be having. This roster needs more balance, the "best line-up" is not really playable for long stretches. So an option Danny has is to roll with Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum and moving Gordon for a good big. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I just can't help myself, Kevin Love might be a good option. We've been hearing that for so long anyway lol might as well do it. |
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 28, 2020 16:53:58 GMT -5
Nothing to do with Kemba, I'm not even sure he was fully healthy for the playoff run. I'd explore trading Hayward. And I really think Tatum is here for the long run. Kemba was neutralized on offense with the zone scheme from Toronto and Miami.. ..and he was absolutely murdered on the defensive side of the ball. He was routinely hunted in the pick and roll against Miami. Nary a single Boston breakdown didn’t involve someone having to switch for Kemba. Who says no, Julius Randle and the 8th pick (Vassel, Okongwu, Maxey, maybe Hayes) for Kemba Walker? I say no. Ainge would simply laugh and hang up the phone without bothering to answer. |
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