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Post by texs31 on Apr 21, 2020 17:53:21 GMT -5
Curious to see which one (TB has 2 4ths - 22 picks apart). Less interesting but just as ambiguous is which 7th goes to TB. Looking like its 139. Less ideal but still something for nothing.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 21, 2020 18:15:43 GMT -5
Interesting in that they send back a 7th. Like the Bucs wouldn't do it without that? No big deal, it's basically a free pick in the meat of the draft. I get Bill already has a few players lined up for that pick, like a QB, TE or more likely our new kicker.
You can't currently trade for Howard, which is why I've been discussing Thuney trades and either cutting, restructuring or if you could trading Sanu. Bill loves trading for Veterans on draft day, yet we currently can't. You can always find money to sign the picks, but you only have one chance at getting guys during the draft. So something has to happen.
I get why Brady would want Gronk, it makes sense. Yet that team still needs a slot guy for him, a RB that can catch and OL help. Brady might not last the season if they keep a crazy vertical offense without one of the best OL in football and they aren't close to that. I usually only watch the Patriots, yet I now have a reason to watch another team.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 21, 2020 19:06:33 GMT -5
I so want to envision BB saying "Oookayyy. You can have 1 pt in draft value" while patting Arians (or whomever) on the head.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 21, 2020 20:19:18 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Apr 21, 2020 21:26:26 GMT -5
Websites for both teams reporting it's the 2nd 4th rd pick (139) and the last NE pick (241) going back.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 21, 2020 22:16:16 GMT -5
This is sad. There will be plenty of "Belichick runs a gulag" pieces this year. Screw em.
The best thing Bill can do is hit a bunch of doubles in this draft. Harry was a reach last year. We all know it.
But this year Bill should draft 3 starters. He has to. Or trade with Detroit/San Diego for Tua and rebuild. Online Mocks have players like Kenny Willikes, AJ Dillon, and Saahdiq Charles going in the 4th round. These are likely starters.
I read that AJ Epenesa's worst film this year was Iowa State. I just watched the game and he had about 6 QB hurries. He hustles and takes good angles. He's a heck of a lot stronger on tape than he tested. He's a starter in a multiple front defense, no questions asked. Why not take him at 23? Or Ruiz? Just get a starter.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 22, 2020 5:49:19 GMT -5
Not sure who the "we" is in this scenario but many of the typical draftniks had Harry rated in the 20-50 range. Taking him at 32 is hardly a reach.
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Post by costpet on Apr 22, 2020 6:21:34 GMT -5
Would TB give up a #1 for Edelman? Or at least a #2? If so, I would call this a rebuild year. Trade Thur. and free up $14 million and make this a draft year. It's okay to give up a year for a long term commitment. Then watch TB for your football enjoyment.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 22, 2020 6:25:24 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Apr 22, 2020 12:51:26 GMT -5
Not sure of the pedigree of the writer, but I love the format of this. So much more useful.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2020 15:53:00 GMT -5
Websites for both teams reporting it's the 2nd 4th rd pick (139) and the last NE pick (241) going back. Kinda blows my mind, that they couldn't even get the better pick. I mean there's a huge difference in value between those picks like 60 vs 38. While also sending a 7th, which isn't a huge deal, but wow.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2020 15:57:46 GMT -5
Not sure who the "we" is in this scenario but many of the typical draftniks had Harry rated in the 20-50 range. Taking him at 32 is hardly a reach. I don't think he was a reach, but certain people certainly could. I mean if you rated him #50 he's a reach at 32. I wrote him off because historically those big guys that aren't fast don't do that well. Like Hopkins is the exception not the rule. Yet he has wiggle and most guys like him don't. Guys like him are all over draft boards.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2020 16:01:08 GMT -5
Not sure of the pedigree of the writer, but I love the format of this. So much more useful. I kinda lose respect for the guy when he ranks Keene that high at TE over a bunch of guys that look way better.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2020 16:05:19 GMT -5
What does Bill do on D? Does he stay with a 3-4 or switch back to a 4-3? That's kinda a big question if you want to predict guys on the DL or LB in the draft.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 22, 2020 16:31:25 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Apr 22, 2020 19:46:25 GMT -5
If interested @bradotc is going to be tweeting out trade evals whenever one exists. Hes thrown up an example of a 2019 pick trade showing the format.
Cool bc he shows it using all of the value charts that are thought to be out there.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 23, 2020 10:11:21 GMT -5
Patriots signing Marquise Lee per Schefter
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Post by philarhody on Apr 23, 2020 10:21:23 GMT -5
Daniel Jeremiah, whose mocks are traditionally pretty accurate, has Pats taking Kmet at 23.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 23, 2020 13:48:41 GMT -5
Whoever bet on Tom Brady over Gronk as "Former Patriot now in Tampa who randomly wandered into the wrong house and is gaining Florida Man comparisons" should be a millionaire.
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Post by oilcan73 on Apr 23, 2020 13:52:52 GMT -5
Not interested in Kmet at 23. Seems like a guy who could be had if they traded down in to the 2nd round. If they stick at 23, I am hoping for Murray or Queen at LB. I'd actually like to see BB trade down 5-7 spots, where he could still an EDGE guy like Epenesa or Gross-Matos.
I really thought we would see Thuney trade for a second rounder, which would have really given BB lot of flexibility. Should be an interesting, and important, weekend.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 23, 2020 14:35:01 GMT -5
Bedard doesn't think Pats love the TE class. Also says lack of Thuney trade could be bc teams are hesitant to give up draft capital AND hand out a hefty contract (the latter being even more of a concern if the cap remains flat given the impacts of Covid-19).
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Post by ramireja on Apr 23, 2020 15:37:31 GMT -5
Yeah I'm going to say no way Pats take Kmet at 23. That comes off as a lazy mock pick based on need while ignoring reach....something I can't imagine the Pats doing.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 23, 2020 16:15:18 GMT -5
Don't want Kmet there, to be sure.
But we've seen plenty of times where BB took a player MUCH higher than any boards we get to see. If he takes Kmet there, I doubt it's because he all of a sudden chose to ignore value and go for a need.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2020 17:44:15 GMT -5
Lee is a big signing! If he's healthy he's your outside guy finally.
I don't think they take Kmet. Bill usually stays away from upside guys. At the same time he's right there value wise. The #1 reason I love draft Magazines is I can go back and get a picture of guys based on tape before the combine. Some guys deserve a big bump, yet others not so much. Kmet was a 1st-2nd round guy.
A guy who is crazy different is Cesar Ruiz who isn't close to the first ranked center and is given a 3-4th round grade.
The two LBers in Murray and Queen are way undersized, with Murray saying he doesn't have great instincts. Queen does, yet he's the size of a safety.
Zack Baun made sense if you were going 3-4 yet he had a failed drug test.
Epenesa is a perfect fit if you go back to a 4-3. Yet he's a little small for a 3-4 end unless Bill adjusts who he likes.
Grant Delpit could be a long-term replacement for Chung, yet he had tackling issues last year, yet 2018 tape was elite. Windfield Jr. is another guy who makes sense. I mean they have to take a young safety at some point right?
In the mock world who they have at our pick isn't great. Who drops is going to be big, yet without that trading down is my play. The best value looks like WR, yet I don't see Bill doing that. Sleeper picks if no one drops and they can't traded down, Isaiah Wilson OT, guys a road grader RT. Long-term replacement for Cannon and imagine him and Mason helping the running game. Marlon Davidson is about the size Bill likes at 3-4 DE. Great against the run, big power guy who can hold the line to allow the LBers to make plays. Yet like always this is a fools errand with Bill, watch him take a CB.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 23, 2020 20:26:22 GMT -5
I’m nervous about having to play Tua twice a year for the next 15 to 20 years.
The Browns just ran to the podium. I’m assuming it’s for Wills
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