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Post by philarhody on Apr 18, 2020 20:29:39 GMT -5
The funny thing is it looks like Herbert is the big steal, when in reality it's Kmet that is. I can't find it, but a tweet showed amount of misfired passes 5-19 yards with receiver open Love was like 15%, Herbert was at 17%, Herbert value wise is much more of a mid first round guy than top five guy. Tua, Burrows and Hurts were all around 5%. I'm a little confused by the TE class and mocks. So many have the top TEs falling, when recent history shows they have been rising on draft day. Compare Kmet to TJ and Gronk, he's the biggest of the three and they are all about as fast 4.7, 4.7, 4.68. Kmet and TJ had basically the same verticals and broad jumps, which were much better than Gronks. The only thing TJ was better at was three cone drill, Gronk didn't do one and I bet he wouldn't have been that great. Both TJ and Gronk were more ready as blockers but that's more of a Notre Dame thing were they use TEs as Blockers or Receivers. He basically only had one year of blocking duties and even then was much more receiver as Notre Dame #2 guy. Yet the tape shows his ability to make crushing blocks. I don't see even a 1% chance he falls to the late third, heck there's a better chance he goes late first than that. Usually in weak classes the top guys rise, not fall and almost everyone has Kmet as the #1 guy. Yet I also see tons of mocks with the TE from Dayton going late third also. Small school guy, yet most have him as the #2 TE and he had an elite three cone time. Todd McShay doesn't even have Hopkins in his top ten TE rankings, but he's a Ben Watson/Hernandez type TE. All receiver no blocking, yet he does make sense and we need TEs. If you don't trade for a guy, we almost have to take two guys. I just watched Kmet's game against Georgia. I've got to say I'm thoroughly unimpressed with his run blocking. Even at the second level against safeties, he looks really hesitant and has minimal power. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2020 4:05:56 GMT -5
I certainly wouldn't slam those two at leadership. I mean they have won a lot of games in College and the Pro's. I think it's much more character concerns and they just aren't Patriot type players. They don't fit the culture. David Price was a leader on the Red Sox yet he's not a guy I would want as one either. For me it's not just do guys have leadership, it's are they the right leaders? I don't see any huge red flags with Hurts. Yet that doesn't mean he's a fit for the Patriots way. Lots of very good leaders aren't because they don't like being basically controlled by Bill and not being able to speak freely. Character is a big part of leadership. It’s not just on the field, it’s in the locker room and off the field. For the Patriots sure, yet overall I don't agree. You can have so-so character and be a great leader. We see it all the time. Yet the Patriots whole team is built on character and intelligence, so it wouldn't be great. I believe Newton has great leadership, it's just not the type the Patriots likely want. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2020 4:31:59 GMT -5
The funny thing is it looks like Herbert is the big steal, when in reality it's Kmet that is. I can't find it, but a tweet showed amount of misfired passes 5-19 yards with receiver open Love was like 15%, Herbert was at 17%, Herbert value wise is much more of a mid first round guy than top five guy. Tua, Burrows and Hurts were all around 5%. I'm a little confused by the TE class and mocks. So many have the top TEs falling, when recent history shows they have been rising on draft day. Compare Kmet to TJ and Gronk, he's the biggest of the three and they are all about as fast 4.7, 4.7, 4.68. Kmet and TJ had basically the same verticals and broad jumps, which were much better than Gronks. The only thing TJ was better at was three cone drill, Gronk didn't do one and I bet he wouldn't have been that great. Both TJ and Gronk were more ready as blockers but that's more of a Notre Dame thing were they use TEs as Blockers or Receivers. He basically only had one year of blocking duties and even then was much more receiver as Notre Dame #2 guy. Yet the tape shows his ability to make crushing blocks. I don't see even a 1% chance he falls to the late third, heck there's a better chance he goes late first than that. Usually in weak classes the top guys rise, not fall and almost everyone has Kmet as the #1 guy. Yet I also see tons of mocks with the TE from Dayton going late third also. Small school guy, yet most have him as the #2 TE and he had an elite three cone time. Todd McShay doesn't even have Hopkins in his top ten TE rankings, but he's a Ben Watson/Hernandez type TE. All receiver no blocking, yet he does make sense and we need TEs. If you don't trade for a guy, we almost have to take two guys. I just watched Kmet's game against Georgia. I've got to say I'm thoroughly unimpressed with his run blocking. Even at the second level against safeties, he looks really hesitant and has minimal power. I just watched every play from his first six games. Yes he was down right bad against Georgia. Yet go watch some more tape. He gets much better and shows flashes of being dominant. Context really matters with him. Two sport guy, was Notre Dames closer. Dropped Baseball before last year. Then broke his collar bone in spring practice. That Georgia game was his first game of the year and his first back from injury. It was also his first start of his career. He never before was asked to be an inline blocker for a whole game. He certainly needs work on technique, but he got better and better as the season went along. He's got that upside of being a rare very good two way TE. It's my biggest worry he basically has one year of production and playing time. So he's raw in some areas. Yet he could also be a steal in a few years and at minimum will be a good receiver. He also had 9 receptions, over a 100 yards and a TD against Georgia. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2020 5:36:54 GMT -5
Character is a big part of leadership. It’s not just on the field, it’s in the locker room and off the field. For the Patriots sure, yet overall I don't agree. You can have so-so character and be a great leader. We see it all the time. Yet the Patriots whole team is built on character and intelligence, so it wouldn't be great. I believe Newton has great leadership, it's just not the type the Patriots likely want. You may be right but does he? I think the first on field image a lot of people think about with Newton is him not being willing to jump in a fumble in the Super Bowl. “Winning games” or “fourth quarter comebacks” isn’t necessarily leadership. Regardless, I’ll defer to you on Cam as I admittedly don’t know him all that well.... This conversation is about Bill and the Patriots so it’s really about what he thinks and we seem to agree on that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2020 12:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2020 15:54:07 GMT -5
Hope they can work out a deal... |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2020 15:55:38 GMT -5
By the way, my friends, co-workers uncle said he got a notice from the NFL that the season was going to be October - March this year and obviously he’d know and no one in the media would.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 19, 2020 18:29:03 GMT -5
I just watched Kmet's game against Georgia. I've got to say I'm thoroughly unimpressed with his run blocking. Even at the second level against safeties, he looks really hesitant and has minimal power. I just watched every play from his first six games. Yes he was down right bad against Georgia. Yet go watch some more tape. He gets much better and shows flashes of being dominant. Context really matters with him. Two sport guy, was Notre Dames closer. Dropped Baseball before last year. Then broke his collar bone in spring practice. That Georgia game was his first game of the year and his first back from injury. It was also his first start of his career. He never before was asked to be an inline blocker for a whole game. He certainly needs work on technique, but he got better and better as the season went along. He's got that upside of being a rare very good two way TE. It's my biggest worry he basically has one year of production and playing time. So he's raw in some areas. Yet he could also be a steal in a few years and at minimum will be a good receiver. He also had 9 receptions, over a 100 yards and a TD against Georgia. Huh, that really does put things in context. Good stuff Umass. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2020 5:31:04 GMT -5
Okay nothing else to do so I watched a massive amount of tape on TE's on YouTube. Watched one to two full games on each guy, most against the best teams the faced. Here's a few notes while it's fresh. Will finish the rest later. We have to get a TE and this class is all over the place ranking wise. So I wanted to see for myself.
Kmet has been talked about, still #1 for me, yet I'm certainly biased also.
Trautman- Wow, the talent level is horrible. He looks good, yet I'll have to try and find more tape like the senior bowl because while he dominants, he should against that talent level. I wouldn't take him before late third. # 1 TE upside yet you have to worry about the talent level and how long it takes him to adjust. Yet he's technically sound and could be a true two way TE. I just can't tell, no other TE could throw guys around like him, because no other guy played against DT that were the same size as him!
Hopkins- Basically a big WR, makes plays, tries as blocker but it's very bad, not even close to an inline guy.
Okwuegbunam- Looks the part, looks like Kmet a big TE with power who moves well. I didn't see 4.5 speed, yet he also had the worst QB play of any TE I watched, just horrible. I like him, #1 TE upside. Could be a complete TE. Might be underrated do to QB play
Asiasi- He's shorter, yet impressive. Can block and catch. He could be a starter. He jumped over a guy and just kept going. #1 TE upside, yet likely a very good #2.
Keene- Least impressive guy I watched. Smart guy, yet given his size he's like a practice squad guy or special teams guy and #3 TE. Nothing really jumped out at all.
Deguara- Works at blocking and looked better than I expected at catching and frankly overall. #2 TE but man I might call him my sleeper guy right now. I might go watch more tape. Guy I'd certainly target with a late round pick.
Moss- Granted I watched rather limited tape, yet he easily looked like the best most powerful blocker. Most blocks moving or driving a guy besides Trautman yet they were Alabama and Auburn players not skinny weak undersized guys. More chip blocks than all other players combined and it not even close. Seems smart at finding openings. Good hands. Now the bad, he's undersized, slow and has no juke or anything like that. By far the slowest guy I watched, looked like he wasn't trying or was in cement. He's likely lucky he didn't run at combine. #2 run blocking TE if you don't mind a shorter guy. One draft magazine lists estimated 4.65 time and he's not close to that.
I have to say, so far I'm impressed a lot of guys that could help us. Which granted isn't saying much. While the class lacks stars and only has a few guys with that upside, it seems to have a bunch who could make impacts and be good players in the right system. Much more of a depth type class, to target in latter rounds where all our picks are. I frankly expected less than I'm seeing given media reports and that I have a few big names left.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2020 5:42:24 GMT -5
Hope they can work out a deal... The market is set, so being so far a part isn't a good sign no? If you want him it's 13-15 million a year, 30 million or around there in gurantees. I'm torn with him. Yeah I want a good line with a new QB, yet do we want to pay two guards big money? Also Bill is good at drafting guards. We need cap space if you want to make a draft day trade. Nevermind what can you get for him? I'm more than fine paying him unless he wants to reset the market. Yet I'm also fine trading him if you can make moves using his money and get a good return. Definitely torn lol. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 20, 2020 6:24:01 GMT -5
Hope they can work out a deal... The market is set, so being so far a part isn't a good sign no? If you want him it's 13-15 million a year, 30 million or around there in gurantees. I'm torn with him. Yeah I want a good line with a new QB, yet do we want to pay two guards big money? Also Bill is good at drafting guards. We need cap space if you want to make a draft day trade. Nevermind what can you get for him? I'm more than fine paying him unless he wants to reset the market. Yet I'm also fine trading him if you can make moves using his money and get a good return. Definitely torn lol. I wish they paid him instead of Mason. I hear you on the two guards, my justification would be Mason is “only” at 9 a year and with cap increases it’s really not too bad - especially if he gets back to form this year. If he doesn’t all the more reason you need Thuney. But furthermore Thuney is an Ironman and can play Tackle left tackle if you need him to. If they weren’t so screwed in the interior this season as well as at the tackle spot, I bet we would have seen him there quite a bit. If he is dealt, it better be for a mid-high second or an OBJ. Snag OBJ - save 500k on the cap and cut Sanu to save another 6m. That I could get behind. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 20, 2020 7:05:06 GMT -5
Hope they can work out a deal... The market is set, so being so far a part isn't a good sign no? If you want him it's 13-15 million a year, 30 million or around there in gurantees. I'm torn with him. Yeah I want a good line with a new QB, yet do we want to pay two guards big money? Also Bill is good at drafting guards. We need cap space if you want to make a draft day trade. Nevermind what can you get for him? I'm more than fine paying him unless he wants to reset the market. Yet I'm also fine trading him if you can make moves using his money and get a good return. Definitely torn lol. Yeah at that price with all the money already invested in the Oline it will be difficult. BB does have a very good track record with guards but how much credit does Dante get for coaching? I hope they play well enough so that doesn't become a story line like it did the last time retired. |
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Post by mobaz on Apr 20, 2020 8:19:27 GMT -5
The market is set, so being so far a part isn't a good sign no? If you want him it's 13-15 million a year, 30 million or around there in gurantees. I'm torn with him. Yeah I want a good line with a new QB, yet do we want to pay two guards big money? Also Bill is good at drafting guards. We need cap space if you want to make a draft day trade. Nevermind what can you get for him? I'm more than fine paying him unless he wants to reset the market. Yet I'm also fine trading him if you can make moves using his money and get a good return. Definitely torn lol. Yeah at that price with all the money already invested in the Oline it will be difficult. BB does have a very good track record with guards but how much credit does Dante get for coaching? I hope they play well enough so that doesn't become a story line like it did the last time retired. Worth remembering we basically have 2 free draftpicks at O-Line from last year. If they come back healthy, they've had a year in the system and will potentially be better off than any new draftpicks. I'd rather Thuney than Mason, but not at full market rate. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2020 8:25:52 GMT -5
Okay I've officially watched way too much tape on TEs.
Hunter Bryant- Might be the worst blocker at TE, guy gets destroyed. Basically a big slot WR, yet makes big plays. Made maybe the best catch by any TE I watched, one handed catch with a guy on his back. Can't play inline. Can be a weapon in the passing game and a good deep threat at TE.
Harrison Bryant- Makes plays, moves very well like a big slot WR. Yet while not a good powerful blocker, he can at least hold his own. Was able to keep Ohio State DL from getting to QB. So he could play some inline, yet much more a receiver. Made a ton of big plays. You really see how bad Trautman level of competition was when watching Bryant against Northern Texas. Smaller school, yet light years a head of Dayton. Both Bryant's could be weapons in an NFL passing attack.
Colby Parkinson- Huge target, doesn't really block. Has a huge catch radius, but seems kinda slow. Has good hands. Basically a huge slot WR, good red zone guy, but doesn't look like he'll stretch the field much.
Jarred Pinkney- He ran a 4.96 40, seen peole say he was almost undraftable given that time. I don't know what happened, but he doesn't look even close to that. If he runs that, Moss is a 5.3 40 guy. He's right up there with Kmet and Okwuegbunam in that he looks the part. Big guy, who moves very well and is very athletic. He looks just as fast as those two who ran 4.5 and 4.7. One of the better blockers, unlike almost ever other player he played almost every down inline. Easily one of the most impressive guys I watched. Can be a true two way TE and #1 guy. I really enjoyed his tape. Looks a little awkward at times with his huge arms and how he moves. Yet had no trouble getting open deep against teams like Georgia and Notre Dame. Classic trust the tape not the combine speed type guy. He just plays much faster, I'm just shocked he ran that slow. If he drops because of that some might get a darn good player. Kinda reminds me of Bennett a few years back.
There are a few lesser guys I will look at within the next few days. I'm no expert yet this class looks rather good. I think it's underrated due to no first round talent and a lack of standout speed. Yet it has a bunch of intriguing players. Guys not having production because of QB play and a bunch of no blocking receiving only type guys. Along with guys that are shorter. Yet in today's NFL those guys can make a big impact. I do feel better waiting till the later rounds to get a guy now. If you can get Jarred Pinkney in the late 3rd to 4th round that is rather good after what I just watched.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 20, 2020 8:26:57 GMT -5
The new unis are atrocious. This more than Brady's departure will shepherd in a new decade of losing #hottake.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2020 8:33:51 GMT -5
The market is set, so being so far a part isn't a good sign no? If you want him it's 13-15 million a year, 30 million or around there in gurantees. I'm torn with him. Yeah I want a good line with a new QB, yet do we want to pay two guards big money? Also Bill is good at drafting guards. We need cap space if you want to make a draft day trade. Nevermind what can you get for him? I'm more than fine paying him unless he wants to reset the market. Yet I'm also fine trading him if you can make moves using his money and get a good return. Definitely torn lol. I wish they paid him instead of Mason. I hear you on the two guards, my justification would be Mason is “only” at 9 a year and with cap increases it’s really not too bad - especially if he gets back to form this year. If he doesn’t all the more reason you need Thuney. But furthermore Thuney is an Ironman and can play Tackle left tackle if you need him to. If they weren’t so screwed in the interior this season as well as at the tackle spot, I bet we would have seen him there quite a bit. If he is dealt, it better be for a mid-high second or an OBJ. Snag OBJ - save 500k on the cap and cut Sanu to save another 6m. That I could get behind. A year ago Mason looked like a steal, so let's hope it was just a down year and he was banged up! I'm certainly not against paying him, you can afford it starting next year with a cheap QB. I just wonder what the holdup is? I like Thuney, but he's not a reset the market type guy for me. They also could cut Sanu for the space they need. I want nothing to do with OBJ with a young QB. If Brady was here okay, not Stidham or if we draft a guy. I agree though it better be a good return. |
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Post by mobaz on Apr 20, 2020 8:35:43 GMT -5
Okay I've officially watched way too much tape on TEs. Hunter Bryant- Might be the worst blocker at TE, guy gets destroyed. Basically a big slot WR, yet makes big plays. Made maybe the best catch by any TE I watched, one handed catch with a guy on his back. Can't play inline. Can be a weapon in the passing game and a good deep threat at TE. Harrison Bryant- Makes plays, moves very well like a big slot WR. Yet while not a good powerful blocker, he can at least hold his own. Was able to keep Ohio State DL from getting to QB. So he could play some inline, yet much more a receiver. Made a ton of big plays. You really see how bad Trautman level of competition was when watching Bryant against Northern Texas. Smaller school, yet light years a head of Dayton. Both Bryant's could be weapons in an NFL passing attack. Colby Parkinson- Huge target, doesn't really block. Has a huge catch radius, but seems kinda slow. Has good hands. Basically a huge slot WR, good red zone guy, but doesn't look like he'll stretch the field much. Jarred Pinkney- He ran a 4.96 40, seen peole say he was almost undraftable given that time. I don't know what happened, but he doesn't look even close to that. If he runs that, Moss is a 5.3 40 guy. He's right up there with Kmet and Okwuegbunam in that he looks the part. Big guy, who moves very well and is very athletic. He looks just as fast as those two who ran 4.5 and 4.7. One of the better blockers, unlike almost ever other player he played almost every down inline. Easily one of the most impressive guys I watched. Can be a true two way TE and #1 guy. I really enjoyed his tape. Looks a little awkward at times with his huge arms and how he moves. Yet had no trouble getting open deep against teams like Georgia and Notre Dame. Classic trust the tape not the combine speed type guy. He just plays much faster, I'm just shocked he ran that slow. If he drops because of that some might get a darn good player. Kinda reminds me of Bennett a few years back. There are a few lesser guys I will look at within the next few days. I'm no expert yet this class looks rather good. I think it's underrated due to no first round talent and a lack of standout speed. Yet it has a bunch of intriguing players. Guys not having production because of QB play and a bunch of no blocking receiving only type guys. Along with guys that are shorter. Yet in today's NFL those guys can make a big impact. I do feel better waiting till the later rounds to get a guy now. If you can get Jarred Pinkney in the late 3rd to 4th round that is rather good after what I just watched. I think the mid 2nd round is gonna be a sweet spot to get the Kmet/Trautman types, just because of scarcity. Parkinson just doesn't do it for me; he's the kind of guy who becomes a 2nd or 3rd TE. Pickney works for me in the Comp pick portion of the 3rd round if everyone else is out of range; he has huge upside but had an awful final year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2020 8:42:18 GMT -5
The market is set, so being so far a part isn't a good sign no? If you want him it's 13-15 million a year, 30 million or around there in gurantees. I'm torn with him. Yeah I want a good line with a new QB, yet do we want to pay two guards big money? Also Bill is good at drafting guards. We need cap space if you want to make a draft day trade. Nevermind what can you get for him? I'm more than fine paying him unless he wants to reset the market. Yet I'm also fine trading him if you can make moves using his money and get a good return. Definitely torn lol. Yeah at that price with all the money already invested in the Oline it will be difficult. BB does have a very good track record with guards but how much credit does Dante get for coaching? I hope they play well enough so that doesn't become a story line like it did the last time retired. Dante was great, yet I always thought his magic was taking the bums and making them decent. Like last year still having a so so line after losing Wynn and Andrews, while Mason wasn't that good. Long-term you only really have Mason, as Cannon and Andrews are almost up and you don't have to pay Wynn for three years. So you could afford paying two guards, yet should you? It really goes both ways. I'd pay him if he takes a fair deal, if not trade him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2020 8:58:59 GMT -5
Okay I've officially watched way too much tape on TEs. Hunter Bryant- Might be the worst blocker at TE, guy gets destroyed. Basically a big slot WR, yet makes big plays. Made maybe the best catch by any TE I watched, one handed catch with a guy on his back. Can't play inline. Can be a weapon in the passing game and a good deep threat at TE. Harrison Bryant- Makes plays, moves very well like a big slot WR. Yet while not a good powerful blocker, he can at least hold his own. Was able to keep Ohio State DL from getting to QB. So he could play some inline, yet much more a receiver. Made a ton of big plays. You really see how bad Trautman level of competition was when watching Bryant against Northern Texas. Smaller school, yet light years a head of Dayton. Both Bryant's could be weapons in an NFL passing attack. Colby Parkinson- Huge target, doesn't really block. Has a huge catch radius, but seems kinda slow. Has good hands. Basically a huge slot WR, good red zone guy, but doesn't look like he'll stretch the field much. Jarred Pinkney- He ran a 4.96 40, seen peole say he was almost undraftable given that time. I don't know what happened, but he doesn't look even close to that. If he runs that, Moss is a 5.3 40 guy. He's right up there with Kmet and Okwuegbunam in that he looks the part. Big guy, who moves very well and is very athletic. He looks just as fast as those two who ran 4.5 and 4.7. One of the better blockers, unlike almost ever other player he played almost every down inline. Easily one of the most impressive guys I watched. Can be a true two way TE and #1 guy. I really enjoyed his tape. Looks a little awkward at times with his huge arms and how he moves. Yet had no trouble getting open deep against teams like Georgia and Notre Dame. Classic trust the tape not the combine speed type guy. He just plays much faster, I'm just shocked he ran that slow. If he drops because of that some might get a darn good player. Kinda reminds me of Bennett a few years back. There are a few lesser guys I will look at within the next few days. I'm no expert yet this class looks rather good. I think it's underrated due to no first round talent and a lack of standout speed. Yet it has a bunch of intriguing players. Guys not having production because of QB play and a bunch of no blocking receiving only type guys. Along with guys that are shorter. Yet in today's NFL those guys can make a big impact. I do feel better waiting till the later rounds to get a guy now. If you can get Jarred Pinkney in the late 3rd to 4th round that is rather good after what I just watched. I think the mid 2nd round is gonna be a sweet spot to get the Kmet/Trautman types, just because of scarcity. Parkinson just doesn't do it for me; he's the kind of guy who becomes a 2nd or 3rd TE. Pickney works for me in the Comp pick portion of the 3rd round if everyone else is out of range; he has huge upside but had an awful final year. The QB at Vandy wasn't that good last year, in 2018 he had 50 receptions 774 yards and 7 TDs, along with 15.5 yards per catch. That is a hell of a season playing in the SEC and he did darn well in 2018 versus Notre Dame with that team filled with NFL caliber defenders. I need to think this through, my brain hurts but he might be my new #1 target given I think your right the other top guys likely go in the 2nd. I'm confused by Trautman, I can't tell if he has a chance to be a two way TE or is basically Harrison Bryant. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2020 5:40:46 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 21, 2020 13:55:25 GMT -5
musketfire.com/2020/01/15/grading-new-england-patriots-19-draft/How do these guys get jobs writing about things they know nothing about? Michel is the power back and Burkhead is the shifty RB? Like do you watch any games. I thought Harris was the power RB to Michel shifty style. The OT couldn't come back after not being on the first 53 roster. The amazing thing is Stidham was our number seven pick, we picked six guys before him. If he's the starter that is amazing and a perfect example of how the Patriots stay true to there draft board and don't chase after need. Yet it also results in no TEs when it's a huge need. Fansided is a site where fans can join and write. When we have open writing positions we always get a number of writers who've written for Fansided affiliates. In other words, your entire premise is wrong - someone writing for Fansided does not, in fact, have a job doing that at all. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 21, 2020 13:58:59 GMT -5
The new unis are atrocious. This more than Brady's departure will shepherd in a new decade of losing #hottake. I could live with the blues. The whites are pretty bad though. Too bad, the uniforms they've since 2000 were money. I think the main issue is the shoulder stripes. Those work on the throwback red alternates (I own a Bruschi one and it's one of my great sadnesses that the lettering is starting to wear off), but not on the blues or whites, IMO. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 21, 2020 14:55:05 GMT -5
According to reports (name the source, they're reporting it), Gronk has told the Pats he's interested in playing again and wants to be traded to TB.
Update: The Globe's Jim McBride kicked it up by saying a trade is expected.
Update 2: Glazer is saying he's already taken his physical w/TB
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2020 15:28:54 GMT -5
Pats traded him and a 7 for a 4.... wish they got Howard.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 21, 2020 15:42:31 GMT -5
Curious to see which one (TB has 2 4ths - 22 picks apart).
Less interesting but just as ambiguous is which 7th goes to TB.
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