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Post by philarhody on Apr 24, 2020 18:34:17 GMT -5
I thought it’d be Chinn but Dugger could be awesome if he’s teachable
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2020 18:39:09 GMT -5
It's why you love the trade Downs! Draft Magazines have him as a 2nd round guy, was very good at the senior bowl. They got Chung's replacement, just not the guy I thought which isn't a surprise. The good value picks will come later like most years.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2020 19:15:41 GMT -5
I’m not a fan of drafting receivers early but it does feel like we are missing out on adding some real speed and explosiveness to the team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2020 19:26:32 GMT -5
I can’t wait for the Patriots to select an offensive lineman next that fell because of injury who will go on IR
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2020 19:32:47 GMT -5
Mims is the last of the elite speed to size guys left.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2020 20:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by philarhody on Apr 24, 2020 20:31:26 GMT -5
Boy, Belichick taking two raw defensive prospects.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2020 22:00:27 GMT -5
I like the Jennings pick, but it's time for some offensive weapons! Still only one TE picked,go get two of them!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2020 22:20:00 GMT -5
About time TE Devin Asiasi. I love it, yet we need more.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 24, 2020 22:47:59 GMT -5
Pats trade up again to get Dalton Keene.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 24, 2020 23:00:38 GMT -5
You just traded 2 4th round picks and a future 6th to draft Keene who in all likelihood was going to be available with that first 4th round pick.
I have to say...it doesn't feel like the Pats are nailing a draft they needed to nail.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 2:28:59 GMT -5
While certainly not a slam dunk type draft it was fairly good till that Keene trade and pick. That's Bill drafting his type of guy over a lot more talent. I'd think it was a fairly big overdraft in the 4th even, but hey whatever. Trading two 4th and a six next year is nearly criminal.
Can't wait for the 5th round kicker and then pining our hopes for depth and upside guys to the 6th round. I was thrilled to have 3 fourth round picks. I get it for Asiasi he could be a solid starter. I could've been on board for Trautman, both of the Byrant's but more Harrison, Okwuegbunam, Pinkey.
Let's hope some guys drop.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 25, 2020 6:13:10 GMT -5
I expected to come here and see posts beating up on the Pats draft but for the most case you guys are forgiving.
All I can say is it seemed like almost every pick was a reach and a little bit of a surprise. But after watching BB's drafts for 20 years I am used to it. Hopefully we strike gold on a few but I have 1 question. Why pick so many guys with limited production, guys who played so few games? As usuall, lot's of head scratching but the man is the greatest of all time so who am I to question anything. In BB we trust.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2020 8:00:26 GMT -5
Caserio makes it sound like they'll try Uche as an off the ball LB (Mike).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 25, 2020 10:16:47 GMT -5
Are they taking a QB in the draft today or are they going to sign either Newton or Winston or trade for Dalton?
Is there any QB left in the draft who would project to be an upgrade over Stidham?
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2020 10:31:50 GMT -5
I've read that Stidham would've been no worse than 3rd QB in this draft. Another that said he'd be right there with Love.
I like Fromm/Eason better on Day 3 than Day 2.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 11:39:10 GMT -5
I've read that Stidham would've been no worse than 3rd QB in this draft. Another that said he'd be right there with Love. I like Fromm/Eason better on Day 3 than Day 2. Who would have rated him better than Herbert and who better than Love? I mean the consensus had both rated a lot higher. I mean the Patriots drafted six guys before they took Stidham late fourth. |
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Post by ramireja on Apr 25, 2020 11:40:08 GMT -5
I'll go on record saying that I think the Pats had a very poor draft day yesterday on one of the most important draft days for this franchise. That's not to say that the drafted players have no upside or will have no value to the Pats...I just think it could have been done so much better. Consider that going into the day, the Pats had 5 Day 2 picks AND 2 4th round picks. They now have no 4th round picks and arguably reached (albeit slightly) at each draft pick. Two things stand out to me that have always clouded their draft approach and were on full display yesterday:
- The Pats emphasize versatility on their board to an extent in which the talent and actual football skills are diminished. A lot of times, the guy who we expect to play a significant role in his primary position and also special teams, isn't good enough to do either at the NFL level (e.g., Cyrus Jones).
- The Pats clearly have their own board/rankings and don't bother paying attention to the industry consensus. That's fine...that's admirable. You trust your evaluators and that's great. When you completely ignore the industry consensus and start trading up for players that are likely (greater than 50%, maybe 75% chance) of being available at your next pick, then that's borderline reckless and devaluing your draft. Is Uche really not going to be there at #71? Is Asiasi not going to be at #100 (with Trautman still on the board)? Is Keene not going to be at #125 (with Trautman, Bryant, Okwuegbunam still available at the time of the Keene pick)? All in all, moving up for those three was very costly. It's insane to me to think you could have walked out with those same three guys without losing any of the draft capital they lost (I'd love 2-3 4th round picks right about now). Even if I'm wrong and those guys don't make it to the next pick, are they so clearly on a different tier that you don't just pick someone else from that tier without blinking?
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2020 12:14:50 GMT -5
I thought it was essential that Belichick came out of this draft with three starters. Well we all probably wanted higher upside guys in general, I wouldn’t be surprised if four starters came out of this draft. Bill got the players that fit his scheme. Jennings will definitely be a John Simon replacement. Uche can fill Van Noy’s role well. Dugger has pro bowl potential and was the highest rated safety on the Patriots board
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 12:15:17 GMT -5
Uche traded two thirds for a higher one and a fourth. Can't complain if they like him.
Asiasi- Cost a third and fourth. You could rather easily make a case he's the second best two way TE in the class.
Keene- I have nothing, I don't see it. Jack of many trades not great at any. I didn't see a good TE or a fullback in the making. He tested very well, but I didn't see that watching him. Asiasi and many other who tested a lot worse looked a lot better. Go watch Asiasi jump over a defender, nothing like that and horrible production. I would have liked the pick in the 6th round.
So it's really just one head scratching pick, yet it's like the 5th round last year. It's like we made enough picks, I'm done F value I want a break. I'd bet a large amount Keene doesn't go before the 6th round, heck he might not have been drafted! Now watch Bill turn him into an all-pro fullback lol.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 12:24:43 GMT -5
I thought it was essential that Belichick came out of this draft with three starters. Well we all probably wanted higher upside guys in general, I wouldn’t be surprised if four starters came out of this draft. Bill got the players that fit his scheme. Jennings will definitely be a John Simon replacement. Uche can fill Van Noy’s role well. Dugger has pro bowl potential and was the highest rated safety on the Patriots board I don't mind it, but isn't the issue with Uche he's a part-time player? You aren't playing him on running down right now. So he's not Van Noy who was a very good three down LB, yet he's likely a better speed rusher like Collins. I see some Bruce Irvin in Uche and in today's passing heavy league it makes sense. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 12:30:53 GMT -5
Duggar had a 4.49 40, 42" vertical and 132" broad jump. I mean that's a lot to work with, those are better numbers than any TE in the class.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2020 12:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Apr 25, 2020 12:49:12 GMT -5
The Patriots definitely weren't beat to their guys. Hard to complain with them picking their top safety and near top TEs, since they had their choice.
Until we get to training camp and they are NFI'd or ineffective and we again get no impact year 1 from top picks.
At least we are not Packers fans. The crap I'm giving my coworkers is the most fun part of the drafts.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 12:58:01 GMT -5
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