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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2020 13:05:51 GMT -5
I've read that Stidham would've been no worse than 3rd QB in this draft. Another that said he'd be right there with Love. I like Fromm/Eason better on Day 3 than Day 2. Who would have rated him better than Herbert and who better than Love? I mean the consensus had both rated a lot higher. I mean the Patriots drafted six guys before they took Stidham late fourth. Think it was Breer or someone like that who sourced some industry feedback. |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2020 13:15:32 GMT -5
Probably shouldn't be surprised that Jeremiah (who worked with BB) had Keene in his top 150 and right up there with the other TEs. Had the Deguara kid up there too.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 13:16:21 GMT -5
Who do you guys like at 159 if it's not a kicker?
WR- Hill, Proche
C- Harris, Ismael
DL- Murchison
OT- Taylor
QB - Fromm
LB- Bailey
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Post by mobaz on Apr 25, 2020 13:17:04 GMT -5
Who would have rated him better than Herbert and who better than Love? I mean the consensus had both rated a lot higher. I mean the Patriots drafted six guys before they took Stidham late fourth. Think it was Breer or someone like that who sourced some industry feedback. Jeff Howe mentioned this on Twitter. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 13:18:10 GMT -5
Probably shouldn't be surprised that Jeremiah (who worked with BB) had Keene in his top 150 and right up there with the other TEs. Had the Deguara kid up there too. Deguara- popped on tape when I watched him |
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2020 13:23:31 GMT -5
Thanks Mobaz. Just found it myself. Guess the 3rd best comment was HIS opinion not industry.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 13:26:30 GMT -5
Think it was Breer or someone like that who sourced some industry feedback. Jeff Howe mentioned this on Twitter. I can get behind better than Love, but ranking him third puts him before Herbert and that seems a little crazy. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Apr 25, 2020 13:37:38 GMT -5
Thanks Mobaz. Just found it myself. Guess the 3rd best comment was HIS opinion not industry. It's also such a cop out to include last summer in this discussion. No QB in this draft has had the ability to greatly increase their stock by playing preseason NFL football (or have the GOAT coach vouch for him). Stidham was not going to be a first round pick in any QB class after his final year at Auburn. Adding his NFL time to his hypothetical draft stock is stupid, that's not how it works, if we're going to hypothetically put him in this draft class it'd be based on his Auburn tape, not his Patriots NFL preseason tape. Saying he'd be "no worse than 3rd" suggests there's some argument of Stidham over Tua. Maybe the Patriots would've actually felt that way, but I'd bet the other 31 NFL franchises wouldn't agree. Tua went #5 overall and Herbert went 6th, I'm confident zero franchises including the Patriots would've considered Stidham in those slots. I'm hopeful on Stidham being an adequate starting QB, but the Pats media needs to relax on this guy. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 13:46:16 GMT -5
A kicker no one had getting drafted. Not surprising!
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Post by mobaz on Apr 25, 2020 13:54:35 GMT -5
Would have gone with Fromm or Tyler Johnson there...
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Post by mobaz on Apr 25, 2020 13:59:11 GMT -5
The Pats will only take kickers with hard-to-pronounce names. It killed BB to have Nick Folks on the team last year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 14:08:09 GMT -5
First guy in draft they don't have tape on! Why?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 14:16:21 GMT -5
First guy in draft they don't have tape on! Why? I guess he's just that obscure? Wasn't a top five guy, with only two getting draftable grades. I have zero issues drafting there guy, but take him late 6th or in the 7th. No one was going to take him. They just keep waisting value. |
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Post by ramireja on Apr 25, 2020 15:01:01 GMT -5
I can usually keep my cool all things sports-related, but the way this man drafts drives me bonkers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 15:03:35 GMT -5
I'm a value guy and so far they haven't made one in my book. Yeah they are drafting for need, but I don't think that's a good thing. I like the taking them a year early so you don't have to over draft guys.
At one point Bill was getting guys like Koppen late in the draft. Recently he's better at undrafted guys than late round picks.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Apr 25, 2020 15:12:16 GMT -5
I think this is going to be the most interesting season in a while (if there is a season). Not that it has been boring watching BB & TB run over a league that did everything they could to take them down including ginning up molehills into mountainous "gates" so they could take away draft picks - deflategate was one of the most ridiculous melodramas in the history of sports.
But now we get two story lines: An aging Brady with a new team and the most weapons he's had since 2007 - can he lift up the Bucs like Theo did the Cubbies? And can Belichick win without the GOAT, with a mid round 2nd year QB - has anyone done something like that before? (/s)
NFL wet dream Bucs/Pats in SB LIV(e)
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2020 15:21:02 GMT -5
Gosh I wonder if Bill wanted Adeniji or Muti.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2020 16:07:24 GMT -5
I guess he's just that obscure? Wasn't a top five guy, with only two getting draftable grades. I have zero issues drafting there guy, but take him late 6th or in the 7th. No one was going to take him. They just keep waisting value. I don’t agree with this, if he’s your guy and you need a kicker then taking him late 5th is the move. They hit on their last 2 kickers and if they feel similarly with this guy you don’t mess around. It’s easy to say he’d still be there but if you are willing to take him late 5 then who’s to say someone else wont snag him in the 6th? Same thing with the other picks, draft your guys. They didn’t overly reach for any of them where it’s a guarantee they drop to the next pick. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2020 16:12:46 GMT -5
We won’t know until we know. Kittle wasn’t drafted until the 5th round for similar reasons to Keene so it’s an interesting Comp. Cassario said they had to dig into the tape because he wasn’t given a lot of opportunity. It says a lot that they dealt a draft pick in a future draft for the first time ever. That’s 20 years of drafts they never before dealt a pick from a future draft and they’ve made a TON of draft day trades. All I’m really trying to say is he’s a lot more interesting to me now then he was before. I thought he was solely a ceiling of a blocking TE and now it seems there’s a possibility there could be more than that. I like the two guys together. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 16:57:50 GMT -5
Wasn't a top five guy, with only two getting draftable grades. I have zero issues drafting there guy, but take him late 6th or in the 7th. No one was going to take him. They just keep waisting value. I don’t agree with this, if he’s your guy and you need a kicker then taking him late 5th is the move. They hit on their last 2 kickers and if they feel similarly with this guy you don’t mess around. It’s easy to say he’d still be there but if you are willing to take him late 5 then who’s to say someone else wont snag him in the 6th? Same thing with the other picks, draft your guys. They didn’t overly reach for any of them where it’s a guarantee they drop to the next pick. The last guy was the #1 kicker who they took in the 4th if I remember right. Wasn't Vinny an undrafted guy? The guy from Georgia hasn't even been drafted has he? No one is taking a kicker not ranked in the top five besides Bill. I get drafting him over trying to sign him. Yet there was zero chance another team took him. They have film on like 600 guys they think will be drafted and not him! He's probably the first guy I can say had zero chance of being drafted ever! It's just Bill going by his board and not looking at value! Even if he's good, he waisted value. He's not even a priority free agent type guy. Maybe Bill is just that good, yet it doesn't change the value part. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 17:24:20 GMT -5
We won’t know until we know. Kittle wasn’t drafted until the 5th round for similar reasons to Keene so it’s an interesting Comp. Cassario said they had to dig into the tape because he wasn’t given a lot of opportunity. It says a lot that they dealt a draft pick in a future draft for the first time ever. That’s 20 years of drafts they never before dealt a pick from a future draft and they’ve made a TON of draft day trades. All I’m really trying to say is he’s a lot more interesting to me now then he was before. I thought he was solely a ceiling of a blocking TE and now it seems there’s a possibility there could be more than that. I like the two guys together. Well yeah they make it seem like he's Kittle even though the two biggest things don't match. Kittle had elite 4.5 speed and 38.5" vertical. He also missed a bunch of games only playing 19 games his last two years, hence the so so production, yet a much better per catch number and more TDs. Go watch some tape, he doesn't have any explosion coming off the line. The Patriots likely love his Swiss army knife label. He's a good guy and very smart. He'd be well above average as a pass catching fullback. Yet I didn't see any blocks on tape that showed he'd be good at that. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 25, 2020 17:46:43 GMT -5
I've read that Stidham would've been no worse than 3rd QB in this draft. Another that said he'd be right there with Love. I like Fromm/Eason better on Day 3 than Day 2. Well, they didn't get a QB in the draft and I know Belichick is believes in Stidham, but even Caserio said he expects to have 3 QBs on the roster. Does that mean that if they don't go via draft that they're looking at Newton, Winston, or dealing for Dalton or some other established QB? Or are they going to look for a true 3rd stringer? I know they doubled down on tight ends, but shouldn't they have drafted a receiver who could be a #1 or at least a #2 receiver? Seems like they're short on wide receivers as far as quality goes? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2020 18:15:39 GMT -5
I've read that Stidham would've been no worse than 3rd QB in this draft. Another that said he'd be right there with Love. I like Fromm/Eason better on Day 3 than Day 2. Well, they didn't get a QB in the draft and I know Belichick is believes in Stidham, but even Caserio said he expects to have 3 QBs on the roster. Does that mean that if they don't go via draft that they're looking at Newton, Winston, or dealing for Dalton or some other established QB? Or are they going to look for a true 3rd stringer? I know they doubled down on tight ends, but shouldn't they have drafted a receiver who could be a #1 or at least a #2 receiver? Seems like they're short on wide receivers as far as quality goes? No chance they deal for Dalton. They don’t have cap space to do that and it’s be a huge waste. Just wait for him to be released. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 25, 2020 18:18:38 GMT -5
I don’t agree with this, if he’s your guy and you need a kicker then taking him late 5th is the move. They hit on their last 2 kickers and if they feel similarly with this guy you don’t mess around. It’s easy to say he’d still be there but if you are willing to take him late 5 then who’s to say someone else wont snag him in the 6th? Same thing with the other picks, draft your guys. They didn’t overly reach for any of them where it’s a guarantee they drop to the next pick. The last guy was the #1 kicker who they took in the 4th if I remember right. Wasn't Vinny an undrafted guy? The guy from Georgia hasn't even been drafted has he? No one is taking a kicker not ranked in the top five besides Bill. I get drafting him over trying to sign him. Yet there was zero chance another team took him. They have film on like 600 guys they think will be drafted and not him! He's probably the first guy I can say had zero chance of being drafted ever! It's just Bill going by his board and not looking at value! Even if he's good, he waisted value. He's not even a priority free agent type guy. Maybe Bill is just that good, yet it doesn't change the value part. Do you realize how dumb it is to say a guy had zero chance of being drafted after he was drafted? I mean the fact that one team took him proved you wrong and to think that oh it’s definitely just one team after you thought it would be none is just plain ignorance for the sake or ignorance. Argue he was a bad pick or not the right guy, that’s fine but to keep saying there was no chance he got picked is pure nonsense. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2020 19:56:20 GMT -5
The last guy was the #1 kicker who they took in the 4th if I remember right. Wasn't Vinny an undrafted guy? The guy from Georgia hasn't even been drafted has he? No one is taking a kicker not ranked in the top five besides Bill. I get drafting him over trying to sign him. Yet there was zero chance another team took him. They have film on like 600 guys they think will be drafted and not him! He's probably the first guy I can say had zero chance of being drafted ever! It's just Bill going by his board and not looking at value! Even if he's good, he waisted value. He's not even a priority free agent type guy. Maybe Bill is just that good, yet it doesn't change the value part. Do you realize how dumb it is to say a guy had zero chance of being drafted after he was drafted? I mean the fact that one team took him proved you wrong and to think that oh it’s definitely just one team after you thought it would be none is just plain ignorance for the sake or ignorance. Argue he was a bad pick or not the right guy, that’s fine but to keep saying there was no chance he got picked is pure to. Per the Athletic he wasn't even one of the top ten kickers. Only one other kicker was taken the #1/#2 guy depending by who you go by. So yeah if Bill doesn't take him there is a zero percent chance he gets drafted. I'm willing to bet he's the lowest rated kicker ever drafted. Teams don't mess around with kickers, heck a ton of teams don't even draft them. Most years are just like this year, guys with draftable grades not getting drafted. Yet here's Bill making likely the most surprising pick in the entire draft. It's not about if he's the right guy, it's a value thing. Four out of there last five picks were all ranked undrafted guys and a lot of rankings had all five being undrafted. Now I don't really care in the 6th-7th, yet I do in the 5th. The difference getting a guy like Nick Harris in the 5th over the guy from Memphis who we took with the last pick. That's a massive upgrade. |
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