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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 26, 2020 12:38:12 GMT -5
rom former Newton tight end Greg Olsen, to ESPN’s First Take: “The one thing (Belichick’s) going to learn about Cam is no one wants to win more than him, nobody’s gonna come every day and practice harder and train harder and prepare better. The things that Cam does so well are pretty much that whole ‘Patriot Way’ of everything is about winning. Cam is going to check all those boxes, so I don’t think they’re going to have any issues on that front. … Is he going to dress different after the game than some of the other quarterbacks? Of course. Cam is his own person. But never at any moment does it ever take away his willingness and his preparation to go out there and win first and foremost. I think that would resonate with all coaches around the league, not just in New England.” Context, who are the guys Olsen compares Newton too? A huge list like Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman and a bunch of other not good QBs that started games for the Bears while he was there. I’m just passing on what a teammate said. You have a notion based on a feeling about Cams work ethic and desire to win. I just posted something that one of his former teammates said. I don’t know anything about Cam Newton but there’s a lot of stuff out there that seems to contradict your “feelings” about him. Ultimately, we will see but I’ll find encouragement in these types of things. I’m no Cam Newton fan... before he was signed here my impressions of him, outside of how he played against the Pats, were not good. I’m hoping that changes. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 26, 2020 12:57:03 GMT -5
Well that's what teammates do, have the players back. Nevermind Jay Cutler wasn't known for hard work, yet I'm sure you'll find teammates saying he was
Maybe I am wrong, yet I find it hard to believe a crazy hard worker, a student of the game can't at least have a career completion percentage above 60%.
My hope is that the Patriots show him what real work is and can make him better. Instead of a dual threat QB, he becomes a passer first and you save the runs for important areas. I haven't seen that yet and it's not because he doesn't have the talent and ability.
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Post by dangermike on Jul 26, 2020 14:30:01 GMT -5
Context, who are the guys Olsen compares Newton too? A huge list like Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman and a bunch of other not good QBs that started games for the Bears while he was there. I’m just passing on what a teammate said. You have a notion based on a feeling about Cams work ethic and desire to win. I just posted something that one of his former teammates said. I don’t know anything about Cam Newton but there’s a lot of stuff out there that seems to contradict your “feelings” about him. Ultimately, we will see but I’ll find encouragement in these types of things. I’m no Cam Newton fan... before he was signed here my impressions of him, outside of how he played against the Pats, were not good. I’m hoping that changes. also- most good receivers don't have a ton of qbs to compare others to. edelman has pretty much only caught balls from brady. gronk, the best tight end ever, has only had one qb. also also, olsen is super respectable and seemingly a straight shooter - how would it be in his best interest to lie about cam?? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 26, 2020 15:17:03 GMT -5
I’m just passing on what a teammate said. You have a notion based on a feeling about Cams work ethic and desire to win. I just posted something that one of his former teammates said. I don’t know anything about Cam Newton but there’s a lot of stuff out there that seems to contradict your “feelings” about him. Ultimately, we will see but I’ll find encouragement in these types of things. I’m no Cam Newton fan... before he was signed here my impressions of him, outside of how he played against the Pats, were not good. I’m hoping that changes. also- most good receivers don't have a ton of qbs to compare others to. edelman has pretty much only caught balls from brady. gronk, the best tight end ever, has only had one qb. also also, olsen is super respectable and seemingly a straight shooter - how would it be in his best interest to lie about cam?? The point wasn't he lied, it's what he has to compare Newton to, the best guy in Cutler wasn't a hard worker. Olsen could 100% be telling the truth, yet Cam could also not be close to Brady. We've seen veterans for years say you don't know what hard work is till you play for a team like the Patriots. Heck compare this year, Brady signed quickly and has had a full off-season to get ready for a new team. Newton waited and waited, now he's months and months behind were Brady is. I get why he did, it just highlights the little things I'm talking about. |
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 26, 2020 16:18:29 GMT -5
I think projecting reductions in future salary caps is like spitting into the wind. Until you get to the final numbers and see how many games are played, whether any fans are allowed in, we are totally guessing. A lot is going to depend on how much money the owners lose and how much money the TV people lose. We will not know those numbers until January or February. The owners and TV people are not going to maintain cap level numbers if they lose large chunks of money and let the player salaries continue at the original 2019 projected numbers without some push back. Most people I read say they will be surprised that they make a whole season. No one has ever seen anything like this pandemic thing before. So what happens over the next 3 or 4 months is anyone's GUESS. The NFL just said the Salary Cap won't go below $175 million no matter what happens. The NFL is experiencing a pandemic. It has never done that. The NFL over the last several months has said many things. No one knows what things will look like in January. The 175 number could be revisited at a later date, especially if they play no season or a partial. Do not think the owners and TV are going to eat big losses and not ask the players to share in the pain. |
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 26, 2020 16:21:14 GMT -5
Well that's what teammates do, have the players back. Nevermind Jay Cutler wasn't known for hard work, yet I'm sure you'll find teammates saying he was Maybe I am wrong, yet I find it hard to believe a crazy hard worker, a student of the game can't at least have a career completion percentage above 60%. My hope is that the Patriots show him what real work is and can make him better. Instead of a dual threat QB, he becomes a passer first and you save the runs for important areas. I haven't seen that yet and it's not because he doesn't have the talent and ability. I could! Nah I am not going to argue. It is your opinion and someone come up with info that disagrees. So, be it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 26, 2020 23:05:34 GMT -5
The NFL just said the Salary Cap won't go below $175 million no matter what happens. The NFL is experiencing a pandemic. It has never done that. The NFL over the last several months has said many things. No one knows what things will look like in January. The 175 number could be revisited at a later date, especially if they play no season or a partial. Do not think the owners and TV are going to eat big losses and not ask the players to share in the pain. Umm has the NFL said something that it didn't do in the last couple months? Explain to me how a crazy low cap works? They came out and said that so teams can make plans going forward. It's what they always do, project next year's cap before the season starts. I've laughed at people talking about a 120 million cap because 3/4 of the teams would be over it. The NFL isn't going to make teams gut rosters because of a one year dip in revenue. TV? What are you talking about? I think you need to do some research on what your talking about. They won't eat the losses, they will spread it out over year's. Rumors are the NBA won't lower the cap, again because of what it would do, when teams have guaranteed deals with players. They'll just work it out over year's. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 27, 2020 10:07:52 GMT -5
If MLB can’t avoid outbreaks then the NFL is screwed.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 27, 2020 14:47:07 GMT -5
I don't normally look to Sports Talk Radio for legit rumors (especially the non-insider on-air guys) but Jim Murray is saying that he has heard (from "reliable" sources) that Marcus Cannon is strongly considering opting out.
Normally, I wouldn't give it much due but considering Marcus' past health issues (non-Hodgkins lymphoma), this would not be a surprise.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 27, 2020 16:28:12 GMT -5
I don't normally look to Sports Talk Radio for legit rumors (especially the non-insider on-air guys) but Jim Murray is saying that he has heard (from "reliable" sources) that Marcus Cannon is strongly considering opting out. Normally, I wouldn't give it much due but considering Marcus' past health issues (non-Hodgkins lymphoma), this would not be a surprise. It could be a leverage play too. He hired new agents and he has 2 years left on his contract. You’d only need new agents if the Pats were trying to make you take a pay cut. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 27, 2020 19:51:46 GMT -5
Not sure who is out on the market but that's a risky game of chicken. Should he chose to sit out, his Cap # is lowered, giving NE more room to find a replacement (then said replacement or Cajuste could take his job).
Again, not sure what OT's are out there but . . .
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Post by texs31 on Jul 27, 2020 20:16:42 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Dan Vitale and Najee Toran have opted out. Will Hastings has been re-signed.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2020 20:38:03 GMT -5
I can think of many different reasons to change agents other than Patriots wanting him to take a pay cut. The timing doesn't fit either, as he got a new agent before free agency.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 28, 2020 4:34:34 GMT -5
I can think of many different reasons to change agents other than Patriots wanting him to take a pay cut. The timing doesn't fit either, as he got a new agent before free agency. Like what? Also, prior to free agency would fit; Patriots can approach their own players prior to that. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 28, 2020 6:03:19 GMT -5
It's official now.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 28, 2020 6:10:11 GMT -5
Per Miguel, Pats now have 14M in Cap Room.
Cannon's cap hits change:
2020 - from 9.6 to 2.7
2021 - from 8.3 to 6.0
2022 - from 0 to 4.85
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Post by texs31 on Jul 28, 2020 6:48:45 GMT -5
Another Biggie.
New Dad Dont'a Hightower has opted out.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 28, 2020 7:04:31 GMT -5
Brandon Bolden as well, per Greg Hill Show
Everyone talked about the death of the UDFA this season, those might be some of the only guys left to play.
I also wonder how much the Marlins situation is weighing on the NFL players facing an opt-out deadline. Thanks, Don Mattingly...
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Post by texs31 on Jul 28, 2020 7:09:55 GMT -5
Unless they spend big on a currently unsigned FA, the Pats will have more cap space next year and fewer of their own guys up for Free Agency (Vitale, Bolden and High were all pending UFAs).
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Post by mobaz on Jul 28, 2020 7:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Jul 28, 2020 7:29:35 GMT -5
Miguel has the cap space now at 24.2M (though he admits that could change depending on who of the opt outs is High Risk vs Optional - Cannon, I believe, is HR for example; not sure about High who is a new dad and whose mom has Type 2 Diabetes)
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 28, 2020 8:27:41 GMT -5
Let’s be realistic.... so they play games with no fans. Virus is obviously still circulating the country. There’s basically a 100% chance that at some point a player gets it during the season. Then what? They shut it down? This won’t work / my guess is they try but there’s no real season. Probably time to bring this back up... they are going to try like hell, but I still think it’s more likely than not this experiment doesn’t work. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 28, 2020 10:45:52 GMT -5
Chung joins the list
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 28, 2020 14:21:43 GMT -5
I can think of many different reasons to change agents other than Patriots wanting him to take a pay cut. The timing doesn't fit either, as he got a new agent before free agency. Like what? Also, prior to free agency would fit; Patriots can approach their own players prior to that. He wanted change, a friend/teammate recommends a new guy that does a bunch of extra stuff, he's thinking about a new contract in a few years, a million other things. Guys change agents all the time. This likely isn't 100%, yet they have a crazy long history of asking guys to take pay cuts right about now. After free agency when teams have spent all their money and filled rosters. That gives them leverage, something you don't get before free agency. His contract pays him 7 million in cash and has over 3.7 in dead money and we just got back depth at OT. Not the first guy I think would needs a pay cut and certainly not a guy they have the most leverage over like a Sanu. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 28, 2020 14:28:52 GMT -5
Wow we got hit hard with six players, no other team lost more than two so far.
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