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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2020 17:29:53 GMT -5
Tajae Sharpe would seem to be a very good target in free agency because Sanders is likely to be very expensive.
Had his best year as a rookie, yet his numbers dipped as the Titans became a running team and more of a vertical attack offense. Very good route runner with great hands.
They almost need to draft a deep threat because there isn't much in free agency.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2020 20:05:49 GMT -5
DMac 2/23
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Post by philarhody on Mar 15, 2020 20:31:20 GMT -5
Dmac at those numbers and at that age seems a little steep. But he still adds good value and should ensure that the Pats secondary remains a major strength for the next couple of years.
Time to really bolster this offense. Love Clyde Edwards Hilaire as a running back if they could get him in the 2nd round (oops). Sony Michel is really not the back everyone envisioned him to be.
Of course, need a guard, a tackle, a tight end and a wr before they address running back. Oh boy.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 15, 2020 23:34:51 GMT -5
Ryan Tannehill got four years 118 million with like 80 million guaranteed. Like OMG how stupid are teams? I would have franchised him and let him prove it for a full season before giving him that much. Unbelievable contract, Tannehill looked terrible in the playoffs. This feels like a contract that would inspire a football version of Moneyball. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2020 10:35:52 GMT -5
Thuney franchised - he is a key piece.
Although, it should be noted they can still trade him and he’d have a lot of value on that front.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 16, 2020 12:43:45 GMT -5
DeAndre Hopkins traded to the Cardinals for David Johnson and a 2nd rounder. Bill O'Brien the GM is worse than Bill O'Brien the coach by a long shot, and that's saying a LOT. Between the Titans hitching to Tannehill and the Texans O'Briening again, really weakens the up and comers in the AFC. Chiefs and Ravens still in the lead, but the Pats have a fighting chance.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 16, 2020 13:05:19 GMT -5
DeAndre Hopkins traded to the Cardinals for David Johnson and a 2nd rounder. Bill O'Brien the GM is worse than Bill O'Brien the coach by a long shot, and that's saying a LOT. Between the Titans hitching to Tannehill and the Texans O'Briening again, really weakens the up and comers in the AFC. Chiefs and Ravens still in the lead, but the Pats have a fighting chance. Bill O'Brien is a double agent sent to disrupt the Texans. That's the only explanation I have at this point. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2020 16:53:38 GMT -5
Thuney franchised - he is a key piece. Although, it should be noted they can still trade him and he’d have a lot of value on that front. Going by recent reports we had 25 million in space, with Brady at that 13.5 million level. So we basically have zero money now and can only offer Brady 6.5 million. So for me Thuney is our missing 2nd round pick and it's a very smart move! I don't see how they can keep him long-term. Yet they should be able to get a pick and maybe a player versus a late 3rd next draft. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2020 16:59:22 GMT -5
DeAndre Hopkins traded to the Cardinals for David Johnson and a 2nd rounder. Bill O'Brien the GM is worse than Bill O'Brien the coach by a long shot, and that's saying a LOT. Between the Titans hitching to Tannehill and the Texans O'Briening again, really weakens the up and comers in the AFC. Chiefs and Ravens still in the lead, but the Pats have a fighting chance. Bill O'Brien is a double agent sent to disrupt the Texans. That's the only explanation I have at this point. It's a Patriot like move and could make sense. Yet WRs are hard to draft and can take time to develop. He'll look brilliant if he gets a good WR in a very deep draft, frees up money and gets a good RB receiver. On the flip side if he picks a bust, he just traded his #1 guy and could tank his young QB. It will be interesting to see what happens! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2020 17:08:22 GMT -5
Dmac at those numbers and at that age seems a little steep. But he still adds good value and should ensure that the Pats secondary remains a major strength for the next couple of years. Time to really bolster this offense. Love Clyde Edwards Hilaire as a running back if they could get him in the 2nd round (oops). Sony Michel is really not the back everyone envisioned him to be. Of course, need a guard, a tackle, a tight end and a wr before they address running back. Oh boy. I would point out we have OT Yodny Cajuste and OG Hjalte Froholdt that we took in the 3rd and 4th rounds last year. Cajuste can be your swing OT and Froholdt if I remember right can play both guard and center. So I think we are a little better off than it seems. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 16, 2020 20:05:51 GMT -5
Holy smokes, that’s a lot of money for Van Noy. Wow. 4 years (!) 52 million. Belichick will gladly take a 3rd for the Dolphins to overpay.
Also, over the course of his first 70 games, Byron Jones has had the second fewest takeaways of any defensive back since the merger. Unbelievable that Miami continues to operate this way.
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Post by costpet on Mar 17, 2020 8:41:32 GMT -5
Lack of cap space had a lot to do with it. I remember a few years ago when Brady said it would not end well. He was right. Unitas ended his career with the Chargers. Montana with the Chiefs. Farve with the Jets. It happens. But he’ll always be a Patriot. I just hope BB doesn’t burn any bridges. We all know he can be a prick sometimes.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 17, 2020 9:40:59 GMT -5
I think the Pats dynasty is over ladies and gentlemen. Along with no sports, no Mookie or Cora and this virus, I feel like I am trying to survive a round with Mike Tyson and the over hand rights just keep coming.
On top of all that the doctors won't cardiovert me again and I can't tie my shoes without feeling a bit fatigued. Any doctors out there that want to explain to me why? The meds don't work. Figured I would ask as it seems their are a lot of smart people here.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 17, 2020 14:52:12 GMT -5
It's a Patriot like move and could make sense. Yet WRs are hard to draft and can take time to develop. He'll look brilliant if he gets a good WR in a very deep draft, frees up money and gets a good RB receiver. On the flip side if he picks a bust, he just traded his #1 guy and could tank his young QB. It will be interesting to see what happens! I'm sorry umass, there's absolutely no chance you can convince me that trading arguably the best WR in the league for a shit RB and a mid round pick is a good thing because he could draft another WR. That trade is indefensible. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2020 15:10:18 GMT -5
It's kinda funny as both Bill and Brady seem to want to prove which one was the real magic. When in reality it was the pair.
That being said I'm not counting out Bill! He almost always finds ways to fill roster spots. He's been able to find a bunch of QBs that have won games in the NFL. I'm crazy excited to see what he does. Just a little upset the one guy I wanted signed a back-up deal on day one.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2020 15:18:25 GMT -5
It's a Patriot like move and could make sense. Yet WRs are hard to draft and can take time to develop. He'll look brilliant if he gets a good WR in a very deep draft, frees up money and gets a good RB receiver. On the flip side if he picks a bust, he just traded his #1 guy and could tank his young QB. It will be interesting to see what happens! I'm sorry umass, there's absolutely no chance you can convince me that trading arguably the best WR in the league for a shit RB and a mid round pick is a good thing because he could draft another WR. That trade is indefensible. You think the 40th pick is a mid rounder? Given this WR class a stud will be there, they just need to pick the right player. It's risky and I wouldn't have done it. Then again I wouldn't have made a lot of moves Bill did over the years either. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 17, 2020 16:47:30 GMT -5
You think the 40th pick is a mid rounder? Given this WR class a stud will be there, they just need to pick the right player. It's risky and I wouldn't have done it. Then again I wouldn't have made a lot of moves Bill did over the years either. It's not a first round pick. Even then, it's not about value, it's about what they're doing here. The plan seems to change with every move. You're saying they can replace Hopkins if they hit on the right player. It would take a LEGENDARY hit to replace an elite receiver with the 40th overall pick. I understand the 49ers trading Buckner, they got a great return and they had so much talent on that line that something had to give. They wouldn't be able to pay everyone. The Texans are just stupid right now and BOB is either a double agent or he's fooling himself into believing he's playing sophisticated russian chess game while he's actually just throwing the pieces up hoping they land in a good formation. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 13:21:47 GMT -5
You think the 40th pick is a mid rounder? Given this WR class a stud will be there, they just need to pick the right player. It's risky and I wouldn't have done it. Then again I wouldn't have made a lot of moves Bill did over the years either. It's not a first round pick. Even then, it's not about value, it's about what they're doing here. The plan seems to change with every move. You're saying they can replace Hopkins if they hit on the right player. It would take a LEGENDARY hit to replace an elite receiver with the 40th overall pick. I understand the 49ers trading Buckner, they got a great return and they had so much talent on that line that something had to give. They wouldn't be able to pay everyone. The Texans are just stupid right now and BOB is either a double agent or he's fooling himself into believing he's playing sophisticated russian chess game while he's actually just throwing the pieces up hoping they land in a good formation. Well reports say he was causing friction because he wants a new deal even though he has three year making about $14 million left in his deal. Which is likely why they couldn't get much. Reports say the Cardinals will give him a new deal. You seem to be missing this is a legendary draft for WRs, with people saying it's better and deeper than 2014. That year Adams, Robinson and Landry all went after pick 40 in the second round. Heck AJ Brown went end of second last year. You don't have to fully match his production either, because it's the pick and a ton of future cap space. It's very risky, but this is a crazy special WR class. Which is why I can see some logic in his madness. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 13:24:58 GMT -5
Harmon has been traded to Lions for a switch of late round picks, freeing up much needed money.
Shelton joins him on a two year 8 million deal. That hurts, I would have thought they would want to keep him at those numbers.
Karras to Dolphins on a one year 4 million deal.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 13:40:33 GMT -5
Well the best remaining QB outside of Winston is Blake Borttles. Neither is a good fit, though I'd love the Tampa gets Brady, we get Winston and win it all story line lol. He's got all the arm talent in the world, but just isn't that smart.
Dalton makes sense, but not at 17 million. Maybe they release him and we get him on the cheap.
Foles makes a ton of sense from a fit point of view. Yet we can't afford him and they can't release him.
The draft seems rather weak after the top guys. I think Herbert and Fromm fit well. Eason and Love don't seem like great fits, yet have big upsides. After that there isn't anything I really like.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2020 14:30:46 GMT -5
It's not a first round pick. Even then, it's not about value, it's about what they're doing here. The plan seems to change with every move. You're saying they can replace Hopkins if they hit on the right player. It would take a LEGENDARY hit to replace an elite receiver with the 40th overall pick. I understand the 49ers trading Buckner, they got a great return and they had so much talent on that line that something had to give. They wouldn't be able to pay everyone. The Texans are just stupid right now and BOB is either a double agent or he's fooling himself into believing he's playing sophisticated russian chess game while he's actually just throwing the pieces up hoping they land in a good formation. Well reports say he was causing friction because he wants a new deal even though he has three year making about $14 million left in his deal. Which is likely why they couldn't get much. Reports say the Cardinals will give him a new deal. You seem to be missing this is a legendary draft for WRs, with people saying it's better and deeper than 2014. That year Adams, Robinson and Landry all went after pick 40 in the second round. Heck AJ Brown went end of second last year. You don't have to fully match his production either, because it's the pick and a ton of future cap space. It's very risky, but this is a crazy special WR class. Which is why I can see some logic in his madness. And my Eagles drafted Jordan Matthews at #42 and Josh Huff at #86 in 2014. The point is that if you want a great WR, you should keep a great WR instead of hoping you can replace him with a draft pick and not have a huge dropoff in talent/production. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 15:11:54 GMT -5
So you think Matthews was a bad pick?
First three years 225 receptions, 2,673 yards and 19 TDs. Then traded for Darby who helped the Eagles win a title. Injuries have derailed his career, but I'm darn sure the Texans would be fine with that drop off in production while saving a ton of money!
It's what Bill has done for the last two decades trading Richard Seymour, Chandler Jones, and Brandin Cooks just to name some of the bigger names. It's really just how good are you at finding replacements? What made the Patriots so good besides Brady was very good team depth, not just star players!
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2020 16:18:09 GMT -5
So you think Matthews was a bad pick? First three years 225 receptions, 2,673 yards and 19 TDs. Then traded for Darby who helped the Eagles win a title. Injuries have derailed his career, but I'm darn sure the Texans would be fine with that drop off in production while saving a ton of money! It's what Bill has done for the last two decades trading Richard Seymour, Chandler Jones, and Brandin Cooks just to name some of the bigger names. It's really just how good are you at finding replacements? What made the Patriots so good besides Brady was very good team depth, not just star players! I think Matthews wasn't as good as Hopkins. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 18, 2020 17:15:55 GMT -5
Traded Harmon, which is fine but this team keeps losing guys and has no cap space. It’s kind of crazy. This may be a big rebuild year. Tank for Lawrence.
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Post by costpet on Mar 18, 2020 19:34:22 GMT -5
I’d be interested to see what everyone thinks our record will be this year. I predict 9-7. Unless it’s 0-0 with the season canceled.
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