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Post by costpet on Mar 18, 2020 20:14:10 GMT -5
BTW the odds of winning the SB went from 14-1 to 30-1.
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Post by costpet on Mar 18, 2020 20:48:55 GMT -5
The Bucs odds went from 40-1 to 14-1.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 18, 2020 23:11:54 GMT -5
I’d be interested to see what everyone thinks our record will be this year. I predict 9-7. Unless it’s 0-0 with the season canceled. Don't know what moves Belichick will make or even if he has many good options at this point. If they play the season, which is highly questionable at this point, I think it's likely that the Patriots are a sub-.500 team. They kind of looked like that in the 2nd half when they went from going 8-0 after beating a lot of lousy teams to 4-5 and losing to a lot of better caliber teams plus their annual flop against Miami. So you take a team that declined drastically and cut its heart out and then take out a good chunk of the defense, well, I wouldn't even pick them to go 9-7. They'd be a sub-.500 team even playing the Jets twice per year. Doubt they'd beat Miami or Buffalo twice. I hope we get to find out, but I think it's a season where they let Stidham develop and bring in a veteran QB who's not very good to complement him. Their receivers are still an issue and the defense isn't quite as good. It could be charitably described as a rebuilding year, if the season does happen. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 23:29:23 GMT -5
So you think Matthews was a bad pick? First three years 225 receptions, 2,673 yards and 19 TDs. Then traded for Darby who helped the Eagles win a title. Injuries have derailed his career, but I'm darn sure the Texans would be fine with that drop off in production while saving a ton of money! It's what Bill has done for the last two decades trading Richard Seymour, Chandler Jones, and Brandin Cooks just to name some of the bigger names. It's really just how good are you at finding replacements? What made the Patriots so good besides Brady was very good team depth, not just star players! I think Matthews wasn't as good as Hopkins. That really isn't the question though is it? Would Matthews and 14 plus million in cap space be better? That is only if you draft the 4th best guy in the 2014 draft in the second round. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 23:36:41 GMT -5
Traded Harmon, which is fine but this team keeps losing guys and has no cap space. It’s kind of crazy. This may be a big rebuild year. Tank for Lawrence. Haha I was just thinking about your Lawrence comments a while back. Really interested to see how he does without Higgins. That guy killed Notre Dame in the playoffs. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 23:39:11 GMT -5
I’d be interested to see what everyone thinks our record will be this year. I predict 9-7. Unless it’s 0-0 with the season canceled. Right now with Stidham at QB? I'd say 8-8 or 9-7. Yet this is far from a finished team, Bill always watches the first week and then signs guys that are left. Then makes trades, then the draft. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 23:46:39 GMT -5
I’d be interested to see what everyone thinks our record will be this year. I predict 9-7. Unless it’s 0-0 with the season canceled. Don't know what moves Belichick will make or even if he has many good options at this point. If they play the season, which is highly questionable at this point, I think it's likely that the Patriots are a sub-.500 team. They kind of looked like that in the 2nd half when they went from going 8-0 after beating a lot of lousy teams to 4-5 and losing to a lot of better caliber teams plus their annual flop against Miami. So you take a team that declined drastically and cut its heart out and then take out a good chunk of the defense, well, I wouldn't even pick them to go 9-7. They'd be a sub-.500 team even playing the Jets twice per year. Doubt they'd beat Miami or Buffalo twice. I hope we get to find out, but I think it's a season where they let Stidham develop and bring in a veteran QB who's not very good to complement him. Their receivers are still an issue and the defense isn't quite as good. It could be charitably described as a rebuilding year, if the season does happen. I think our WRs will look better with Stidham, he already has massive chemistry with Meyers. That's the thing with Stidham, all these guys are better than he had in College. He'll trust them and use them in a way Brady didn't. Brady was pissed as Meyer and Harry aren't Brown and Gordon. Brady demands you be perfect, perfect routes, perfect timing. Most other QBs aren't like that |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 18, 2020 23:57:01 GMT -5
If you want to get crazy and have a somewhat rebuild year, do you consider trading Edelman? One of Brady's demands was a say in getting the right players. He's getting older and does he have the same value without that all-time great Chemistry he had with Brady?
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 19, 2020 6:13:45 GMT -5
If you want to get crazy and have a somewhat rebuild year, do you consider trading Edelman? One of Brady's demands was a say in getting the right players. He's getting older and does he have the same value without that all-time great Chemistry he had with Brady? The short answer is yes I would consider it. However, losing in the NFL is dangerous from a culture perspective so I’d pause. That being said, I think having guys like Slater, DMac, Hightower, Chung, Gilmore and even guys like Thuney and Andrews around should make Edelman expendable on that front. |
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Post by costpet on Mar 19, 2020 6:30:11 GMT -5
I wonder if the Bucs would give the Pats a 2nd round pick for Edelman?
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 19, 2020 7:37:28 GMT -5
I wonder if the Bucs would give the Pats a 2nd round pick for Edelman? Seems steep but they are all in on a short window with Brady |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 19, 2020 10:41:48 GMT -5
Don't know what moves Belichick will make or even if he has many good options at this point. If they play the season, which is highly questionable at this point, I think it's likely that the Patriots are a sub-.500 team. They kind of looked like that in the 2nd half when they went from going 8-0 after beating a lot of lousy teams to 4-5 and losing to a lot of better caliber teams plus their annual flop against Miami. So you take a team that declined drastically and cut its heart out and then take out a good chunk of the defense, well, I wouldn't even pick them to go 9-7. They'd be a sub-.500 team even playing the Jets twice per year. Doubt they'd beat Miami or Buffalo twice. I hope we get to find out, but I think it's a season where they let Stidham develop and bring in a veteran QB who's not very good to complement him. Their receivers are still an issue and the defense isn't quite as good. It could be charitably described as a rebuilding year, if the season does happen. I think our WRs will look better with Stidham, he already has massive chemistry with Meyers. That's the thing with Stidham, all these guys are better than he had in College. He'll trust them and use them in a way Brady didn't. Brady was pissed as Meyer and Harry aren't Brown and Gordon. Brady demands you be perfect, perfect routes, perfect timing. Most other QBs aren't like that Sure, Brady is a perfectionist, but for a reason. He feels if you're not striving to be, the caliber of play won't be as good as it should be, and who's to argue with that? It sounds like you're saying that Brady wanted his proven vets and didn't trust the kids, who would be more prone to mistakes, and that perhaps he was holding back their development? Maybe, or maybe he didn't care for their efforts/work ethic or perhaps he didn't think they were that good. Maybe Meyers does click with Stidham better, but I don't know if that's necessarily going to improve him. If he's not that good, he's not that good and a QB who is more likely to be more mistake prone than the QB he is replacing isn't going to help that. I just don't think the talent is on the roster to allow them to go to 9-7. I think at this point many other teams have better rosters and are more talented. I know Belichick is a genius and all but if the talent isn't there, it's just not there. The Pats' drafting hasn't exactly been stellar lately which has contributed to the situation. Honestly if Belichick can get good value for Edelman he should trade him, as much as it pains me to say that. The Patriots, as we knew them, are gone now, sadly. Honestly, this is probably a team that's in rebuild mode. Their super bowl window has certainly slammed shut. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 19, 2020 14:11:52 GMT -5
I wonder if the Bucs would give the Pats a 2nd round pick for Edelman? Seems steep but they are all in on a short window with Brady It would have to be a rather big deal, we'd lose over a million in cap space trading him. 2nd round pick, swap firsts, they send a second and 5th round pick, we send our last pick in the third, they send us Howard. Something like that, otherwise you just keep him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 19, 2020 15:24:05 GMT -5
I think our WRs will look better with Stidham, he already has massive chemistry with Meyers. That's the thing with Stidham, all these guys are better than he had in College. He'll trust them and use them in a way Brady didn't. Brady was pissed as Meyer and Harry aren't Brown and Gordon. Brady demands you be perfect, perfect routes, perfect timing. Most other QBs aren't like that Sure, Brady is a perfectionist, but for a reason. He feels if you're not striving to be, the caliber of play won't be as good as it should be, and who's to argue with that? It sounds like you're saying that Brady wanted his proven vets and didn't trust the kids, who would be more prone to mistakes, and that perhaps he was holding back their development? Maybe, or maybe he didn't care for their efforts/work ethic or perhaps he didn't think they were that good. Maybe Meyers does click with Stidham better, but I don't know if that's necessarily going to improve him. If he's not that good, he's not that good and a QB who is more likely to be more mistake prone than the QB he is replacing isn't going to help that. I just don't think the talent is on the roster to allow them to go to 9-7. I think at this point many other teams have better rosters and are more talented. I know Belichick is a genius and all but if the talent isn't there, it's just not there. The Pats' drafting hasn't exactly been stellar lately which has contributed to the situation. Honestly if Belichick can get good value for Edelman he should trade him, as much as it pains me to say that. The Patriots, as we knew them, are gone now, sadly. Honestly, this is probably a team that's in rebuild mode. Their super bowl window has certainly slammed shut. I look at it differently he needs his WRs to be perfect, because that's his game. Reading defenses and getting the ball out quick. Meyers is the most impressive rookie WR I've seen on the Patriots in the Brady era. I remember that preseason game where him and Brady just weren't clicking, lots of missed passes. Stidham comes in and Bam he takes off. Stidham is more like the rest of the QBs in the league though, he doesn't need perfect timing and routes. Harry has a lot of very good tools. He's by far the best player on the team with the ball in the open field and can make hard contested catches. Yet he'd make one mistake and Brady wouldn't look his way the rest of a game. I'm convinced Meyers and Harry are two good young WRs. We need a deep threat, but I really believe our talent at WR is a lot better than it seems. The brilliance of Bill is he adjusts to the talent he has and can get. Brady made that a little harder, because he needed certain things and could only do certain things. I'm actually very excited to see what he does and frankly think the talent level being low is being blown out of proportion. We never win the start of free agency. I think we continue the trend of the last two years and build teams like the early Championships. It really comes down to Stidham and if he's ready. Would have loved for him to sit and prepare for another year. Yet I like his upside. People forget he was being talked about as a first round pick before his senior year. Auburn lost a bunch of talent to the NFL and he didn't look the same. It happens all the time in College. I haven't minded Bills drafting. I loved last year's draft and it's a big reason why I'm not that worried. I think a ton of guys step up and make an impact this year. I will say he does need to address some holes though. Like I still don't understand not going after a TE. The league loves TEs right now, they are all the rage and Gronk was a big part of that. He needs to change his grades, you can't just hope they fall into the range you want to draft them. He needs to either draft a few, sign a guy or trade for one. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 19, 2020 15:26:28 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 20, 2020 5:42:32 GMT -5
It has to be a contract situation without a doubt. He’s also worth 18-20m but I wouldn’t pay a receiver that. |
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Post by costpet on Mar 20, 2020 7:01:53 GMT -5
You never want to be the guy who replaces the legend. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced the legend.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 20, 2020 7:50:26 GMT -5
You never want to be the guy who replaces the legend. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced the legend. Steve Young and Aaron Rogers didn’t care. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 20, 2020 7:52:46 GMT -5
I think the Patriots win 10 or 11 games this year.
Belichick isn’t going to force something that isn’t there. With Andrews and Devlin back, I envision the patriots becoming one of the heaviest run teams in the league. I don’t think Van Noy, Shelton or Collins were major losses. Belichick exploited a market inefficiency in bigger linebackers, and when it really mattered, those guys couldn’t make a tackle (see Henry, Derek).
I bet they win 5 games in the division and then split the rest but are competitive in nearly all of them. Also don’t be surprised to see Jalen Hurts take at 23 and a Ravens lite offense implemented.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 20, 2020 12:59:09 GMT -5
I'm seeing lots of angst about the Pats approach to free agency. It's literally the same as every year. I get the quarterback won't cover roster wins, but I still don't get it. There is a long offseason to go.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 20, 2020 13:15:23 GMT -5
I think the Patriots win 10 or 11 games this year. Belichick isn’t going to force something that isn’t there. With Andrews and Devlin back, I envision the patriots becoming one of the heaviest run teams in the league. I don’t think Van Noy, Shelton or Collins were major losses. Belichick exploited a market inefficiency in bigger linebackers, and when it really mattered, those guys couldn’t make a tackle (see Henry, Derek). I bet they win 5 games in the division and then split the rest but are competitive in nearly all of them. Also don’t be surprised to see Jalen Hurts take at 23 and a Ravens lite offense implemented. We already sign a DT to replace Shelton, so I wouldn't say that's a big loss. Collins was like two different players, an all-pro to start the year and much less the rest of the year. Yet Van Noy is a loss, he could do everything. You can't easily replace a guy that can play outside or inside, play the run or the pass, plus get after the QB. In a lot of way Jalen Hurts checks a lot of boxes Bill loves, major programs, winner, team captain. Yet he's not Lamar Jackson either. I would be shocked for him to be the pick at 23. Even if you loved him and had to have him, trade back and take him in the late second round. He's a perfect example of why College stats don't always tell the whole story, he lacks accuracy in a very extreme way. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 20, 2020 13:24:14 GMT -5
David Njoku is a big time trade target for me. Please Bill address the TE position before the draft! I don't want to project Kmet at 23, but I almost feel I have to.
Interesting ESPN experts were polled were does Winston end up and the Patriots were #1, with the other options only offering back-up rolls. It doesn't seem like a good fit, yet if he's out of options and would take a one year six million deal you'd almost have to do it. Talk about going full circle, it's like going from Brady back to a young Bledsoe 😁
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 21, 2020 2:19:35 GMT -5
David Njoku is a big time trade target for me. Please Bill address the TE position before the draft! I don't want to project Kmet at 23, but I almost feel I have to. Interesting ESPN experts were polled were does Winston end up and the Patriots were #1, with the other options only offering back-up rolls. It doesn't seem like a good fit, yet if he's out of options and would take a one year six million deal you'd almost have to do it. Talk about going full circle, it's like going from Brady back to a young Bledsoe 😁 Is Kyle Rudolph still and option at TE? Seems like there's still a lot of good reasons for that to happen. As far as QB in the draft, what about Eason as an option at 23? Heard everyone mentioned but him, just curious. He signed a four year extension last year, no longer an option. Eason is certainly an option, huge arm maybe the best arm talent in the draft. Just not there usual type of QB, but you never know with Bill. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 21, 2020 5:30:53 GMT -5
I think the Patriots win 10 or 11 games this year. Belichick isn’t going to force something that isn’t there. With Andrews and Devlin back, I envision the patriots becoming one of the heaviest run teams in the league. I don’t think Van Noy, Shelton or Collins were major losses. Belichick exploited a market inefficiency in bigger linebackers, and when it really mattered, those guys couldn’t make a tackle (see Henry, Derek). I bet they win 5 games in the division and then split the rest but are competitive in nearly all of them. Also don’t be surprised to see Jalen Hurts take at 23 and a Ravens lite offense implemented. So they will win 9 game? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 21, 2020 5:32:59 GMT -5
The Patriots will probably draft Fromm - he seems like their kind of guy.
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