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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 4, 2020 14:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 4, 2020 22:04:08 GMT -5
WWE?
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Post by beavertontim on Apr 5, 2020 10:41:08 GMT -5
Same type of venues, same type of audiences, though a scripted sport, you can make a case it is a sport.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 5, 2020 12:39:52 GMT -5
The pandemic can't be blamed on Trump (nor can the US, if you believe the science to this point) He can certainly be held to account for the response (as would any president). You have to allow that this type of thing has never happened, so there is an error bar that has to be taken into consideration.
I am not going to get into my personal politics, However, I will say that I think he has done a bad job. The major reason is because he is a person that appears to live without empathy. You need empathy here in order to really understand the human suffering involved, along with the toll that it is taking on healthcare workers. A certain percentage (small) are going to die when they get this, that is a terrible price to pay. The testing (lack), the convoluted messaging, the lack of supplies, the blaming of governors....well........
This is a real reckoning for the US, who have allowed for free trade at the expense of cheap consumer products / corporate profits and at the cost of American jobs and our supply chain. The fact that China has been the major beneficiary of this has always left me scratching my head. Their system of government is the antithesis of what this country was founded on. My thoughts are for the people that are sick and families that are grieving right now. I am familiar with someone that had a parent die because of it. They cant even have a funeral at this point. It is profoundly sad.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 5, 2020 17:56:17 GMT -5
Same type of venues, same type of audiences, though a scripted sport, you can make a case it is a sport. Do you think that you might be working a bit overtime here twisting the pretzel on the definition of sport vs entertainment? Yup WWE draws crowds which we currently want to avoid to the greater good...but geez a sport? As you implied, it's a well choreographed, pre-programmed, result-determined carnival event. For some it is entertainment..on the level of a vaudville show. I get that. But a sport? Ahh, no. As to whether and under what conditions baseball will be played this year, it's anybody's guess. But I think that we will have a lost season...no games, at least with people in the stands. That's terribly sad especially for us oldsters, but a necessary sacrifice for the longer term, greater good IMO. With a vaccine, we can hope for a full 2021.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 18:48:15 GMT -5
Same type of venues, same type of audiences, though a scripted sport, you can make a case it is a sport. Do you think that you might be working a bit overtime here twisting the pretzel on the definition of sport vs entertainment? Yup WWE draws crowds which we currently want to avoid to the greater good...but geez a sport? As you implied, it's a well choreographed, pre-programmed, result-determined carnival event. For some it is entertainment..on the level of a vaudville show. I get that. But a sport? Ahh, no. As to whether and under what conditions baseball will be played this year, it's anybody's guess. But I think that we will have a lost season...no games, at least with people in the stands. That's terribly sad especially for us oldsters, but a necessary sacrifice for the longer term, greater good IMO. With a vaccine, we can hope for a full 2021. I always viewed it as entertainment but entertainment by some fantastic athletes. That's a pretty fine line. Is golf a sport ?
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 5, 2020 20:25:56 GMT -5
Do you think that you might be working a bit overtime here twisting the pretzel on the definition of sport vs entertainment? Yup WWE draws crowds which we currently want to avoid to the greater good...but geez a sport? As you implied, it's a well choreographed, pre-programmed, result-determined carnival event. For some it is entertainment..on the level of a vaudville show. I get that. But a sport? Ahh, no. As to whether and under what conditions baseball will be played this year, it's anybody's guess. But I think that we will have a lost season...no games, at least with people in the stands. That's terribly sad especially for us oldsters, but a necessary sacrifice for the longer term, greater good IMO. With a vaccine, we can hope for a full 2021. I always viewed it as entertainment but entertainment by some fantastic athletes. That's a pretty fine line. Is golf a sport ? WWE members are very practiced, to the script, athletic mesomorphs... almost cartoon caricatures. WWE is phony. That is not sport....but vaudeville. Pro golfers are extremely skilled competing honestly against their fellows. Those among us who play, know how hard the game is and respect the amount of skill/endurance that is required. But most importantly, and again, it's an honest game.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 6, 2020 0:48:21 GMT -5
The key word is competing. If WWE is scripted, then there is no competition. By my way of thinking that means there's no sport. Behind the scenes jockeying to see who gets what role when the lights go on doesn't count.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 6, 2020 6:51:29 GMT -5
The point of the call was bringing together the heads of businesses that sell tickets to events in large venues on regular basis. The point of the call wasn't to discuss the merits of the on-field competition of the legitimate competitive sports.
Also Trump has a long-time relationship with WWE, with two of the early Wrestlemanias being held at Trump Plaza, his appearance in storyline at a more recent one about a decade ago, and Linda McMahon being current head of the SBA. If nothing else he was doing his friends a solid while perhaps stroking his own ego.
In other words, no point to discussing the "is WWE a sport?" question in this context.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 6, 2020 8:09:20 GMT -5
Do we know anything that was discussed on this call?
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 6, 2020 10:12:29 GMT -5
The point of the call was bringing together the heads of businesses that sell tickets to events in large venues on regular basis. The point of the call wasn't to discuss the merits of the on-field competition of the legitimate competitive sports. Also Trump has a long-time relationship with WWE, with two of the early Wrestlemanias being held at Trump Plaza, his appearance in storyline at a more recent one about a decade ago, and Linda McMahon being current head of the SBA. If nothing else he was doing his friends a solid while perhaps stroking his own ego. In other words, no point to discussing the "is WWE a sport?" question in this context. To be sure. My initial "WWE?" was tongue in cheek.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 6, 2020 10:13:02 GMT -5
The point of the call was bringing together the heads of businesses that sell tickets to events in large venues on regular basis. The point of the call wasn't to discuss the merits of the on-field competition of the legitimate competitive sports. Also Trump has a long-time relationship with WWE, with two of the early Wrestlemanias being held at Trump Plaza, his appearance in storyline at a more recent one about a decade ago, and Linda McMahon being current head of the SBA. If nothing else he was doing his friends a solid while perhaps stroking his own ego. In other words, no point to discussing the "is WWE a sport?" question in this context. To be sure. My initial "WWE?" was tongue in cheek. To be fair, isn't he also in charge of the XFL?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 12:20:16 GMT -5
Do we know anything that was discussed on this call? Pretty sure they discussed whether WWE is a sport.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 6, 2020 13:23:04 GMT -5
Do we know anything that was discussed on this call? Pretty sure they discussed whether WWE is a sport. At least it's not fake, like boxing.
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Post by dd on Apr 6, 2020 17:40:12 GMT -5
Do you think that you might be working a bit overtime here twisting the pretzel on the definition of sport vs entertainment? Yup WWE draws crowds which we currently want to avoid to the greater good...but geez a sport? As you implied, it's a well choreographed, pre-programmed, result-determined carnival event. For some it is entertainment..on the level of a vaudville show. I get that. But a sport? Ahh, no. As to whether and under what conditions baseball will be played this year, it's anybody's guess. But I think that we will have a lost season...no games, at least with people in the stands. That's terribly sad especially for us oldsters, but a necessary sacrifice for the longer term, greater good IMO. With a vaccine, we can hope for a full 2021. I always viewed it as entertainment but entertainment by some fantastic athletes. That's a pretty fine line. Is golf a sport ? My take on this has always been that there are two components of sport. One is athleticism and the other is competition. WWe doesn't have the latter. I understand your question about golf. It requires certain physical skills (which I only wish I possessed!). It's arguable. I do think of it as a sport though. Most, though not all golfers are in very good physical condition. The same could be said about baseball players. I have more trouble with events that require athleticism and involve competition, but in which the average person cannot determine the winner by watching. There are numerous Olympic events like this in which art is as important as athleticism in determining the winner. One might as well put piano competition in the Games. To me the most annoying of those judged events is ski jumping because I don't see any reason for it. It would be quite easy to say the winner is the contestant who touches the ground furthest down the hill regardless of which part of said contestant hits first. Instead the winner needs to have style. I respectfully call BS!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 21:33:12 GMT -5
Even though I'm also guilty, I have to agree with what Chris said.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 6, 2020 22:51:04 GMT -5
Sadly, unintentionally but inexorably, the discussion got off track.
What we all care about, at base, is limiting congregations of people to foster the greater good.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 7, 2020 2:18:23 GMT -5
Sooo, are MLB & MiLB planning to spur the economy by refunding the viewer packages ?
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Post by stevedillard on Apr 7, 2020 6:27:06 GMT -5
If this leads to eliminating mound conferences it's a small price.
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Post by soxcentral on Apr 7, 2020 7:17:28 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Apr 7, 2020 10:09:28 GMT -5
Intriguing! The May start date they suggest seems wildly optimistic. And the whole article is just a list of a bunch of different weird logistical issues. And it's still not clear to me how you avoid the Rudy Gobert problem - one player tests positive, then the whole team needs to be quarantined, then the schedule is in tatters. But it looks like they're willing to think way outside the box, which is good to see. It could even be a boon to the sport, as it would literally be the only game in town. I just pictured a walk-off celebration where it's just a bunch of guys jumping up and down 6 feet apart from each other in an empty stadium. Surrealball...
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 7, 2020 10:44:30 GMT -5
What happens if the Red Sox janitor tests positive for COVID-19? Let alone, what happens if Rafael Devers tests positive. It just seems like it would be incredibly short-lived and will get shutdown a week into being open. If it even makes it a week.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 7, 2020 11:11:48 GMT -5
What happens if the Red Sox janitor tests positive for COVID-19? Let alone, what happens if Rafael Devers tests positive. It just seems like it would be incredibly short-lived and will get shutdown a week into being open. If it even makes it a week. The only thing the article says about it is: "While the possibility of a player or staff member testing positive for the coronavirus exists, even in a secured setting, officials do not believe that a positive test alone would necessarily be cause to quarantine an entire team or shut down the season, sources said." So yeah... I'll want to see more details about how that's gonna work. And then there's this: "the heat in Phoenix, which could grow problematic during the summer." Last July, Phoenix had two days with a high below 104. Several days were above 110. The low temperature was 90+ nine days of the month. Are guys just gonna be keeling over from heat exhaustion?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 7, 2020 11:50:48 GMT -5
What happens if the Red Sox janitor tests positive for COVID-19? Let alone, what happens if Rafael Devers tests positive. It just seems like it would be incredibly short-lived and will get shutdown a week into being open. If it even makes it a week. The only thing the article says about it is: "While the possibility of a player or staff member testing positive for the coronavirus exists, even in a secured setting, officials do not believe that a positive test alone would necessarily be cause to quarantine an entire team or shut down the season, sources said." So yeah... I'll want to see more details about how that's gonna work. And then there's this: "the heat in Phoenix, which could grow problematic during the summer." Last July, Phoenix had two days with a high below 104. Several days were above 110. The low temperature was 90+ nine days of the month. Are guys just gonna be keeling over from heat exhaustion? This is also assuming that COVID-19 will be deterred greatly by the hot weather. Still, how many headlines are we going to see of this: www.mlb.com/news/3-twins-players-exit-game-with-heat-illness-c283649756
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 7, 2020 12:17:03 GMT -5
The point of the call was bringing together the heads of businesses that sell tickets to events in large venues on regular basis. The point of the call wasn't to discuss the merits of the on-field competition of the legitimate competitive sports. Also Trump has a long-time relationship with WWE, with two of the early Wrestlemanias being held at Trump Plaza, his appearance in storyline at a more recent one about a decade ago, and Linda McMahon being current head of the SBA. If nothing else he was doing his friends a solid while perhaps stroking his own ego. In other words, no point to discussing the "is WWE a sport?" question in this context. I understand all that, and I knew that was the thinking. Demolition derby brings a lot of crowds also. By having that list published, it throws them all in the same category by my way of thinking. They could just as easily have had a second call with pure entertainment venues. Personally, I would love to see WWE paired with the Metropolitan Opera.
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