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Post by sittingstill on Mar 24, 2020 19:43:25 GMT -5
While I'm at it... I don't think it's been mentioned here that PawSox broadcaster Josh Maurer has tweeted that he most likely has COVID-19, but has not been tested as he's self-treating at home--worth reading his thread.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 25, 2020 7:50:45 GMT -5
Interesting dilemma brought up with Noah Syndergaard's announcement of Tommy John surgery. Several states including New York and Alabama, where Dr. Andrews lives, have banned elective surgery. Florida (which is where the surgery is taking place) has also banned elective surgery. But what constitutes elective is pretty much left up to the doctor.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 25, 2020 13:51:58 GMT -5
Snow baseball! I have waited too long for this, make it happen Manfred you genius. Don Caballero and Scott Boras teaming up to bring us the future we deserve.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 25, 2020 14:16:57 GMT -5
A Walmart store can have 10,000 plus visitors a day. So unless we completely shutdown and quarantine the whole world banning people to sporting events really won’t help much. Odds are pretty good this epidemic won’t amount to much but a giant scare, but is it worth the risk? San Jose Sharks are saying that they may be playing innempty rink as soon as March 19You mean May? Also, there's more to this virus than the casualty rate. 1. 20% of all cases require hospitalization. That would stretch an already over-stretched medical system on a "normalized" day. 2. Overstuffed hospitals creates deaths from other diseases and viruses that would have been otherwise treatable. 3. We do not know the long-term damage of lung scar tissue causes by this virus from the survivors. 4. Let's ignore the world casualty rate and use the American casualty rate and compare it to the lower estimates of how many people per year who get the flu (keep in mind again, we're using US casualty rate, not international numbers and the lower end of the flu spectrum when this is more contagious than the flu). 34 million at 1.4% = 476,000 dead Americans. Again, that 1.4% compared to that of the international rate of 4%. Let's say we see a spike and hit 4% and looking at 40 million people. That's 1,600,000 people. Now, maybe 4% is the grim end, but 40 million infected is a low-end projection. This is a travesty. Edit: I'm sorry, I thought I clicked "last page". This is my own mistake. I think I'll leave the post up for now because (not on here) but just going to 7/11 I continue to hear people not believe the severity of this.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 25, 2020 19:36:55 GMT -5
Red Sox win the trade!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 25, 2020 20:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 26, 2020 10:02:21 GMT -5
A Walmart store can have 10,000 plus visitors a day. So unless we completely shutdown and quarantine the whole world banning people to sporting events really won’t help much. Odds are pretty good this epidemic won’t amount to much but a giant scare, but is it worth the risk? San Jose Sharks are saying that they may be playing innempty rink as soon as March 19You mean May? Also, there's more to this virus than the casualty rate. 1. 20% of all cases require hospitalization. That would stretch an already over-stretched medical system on a "normalized" day. 2. Overstuffed hospitals creates deaths from other diseases and viruses that would have been otherwise treatable. 3. We do not know the long-term damage of lung scar tissue causes by this virus from the survivors. 4. Let's ignore the world casualty rate and use the American casualty rate and compare it to the lower estimates of how many people per year who get the flu (keep in mind again, we're using US casualty rate, not international numbers and the lower end of the flu spectrum when this is more contagious than the flu). 34 million at 1.4% = 476,000 dead Americans. Again, that 1.4% compared to that of the international rate of 4%. Let's say we see a spike and hit 4% and looking at 40 million people. That's 1,600,000 people. Now, maybe 4% is the grim end, but 40 million infected is a low-end projection. This is a travesty. Edit: I'm sorry, I thought I clicked "last page". This is my own mistake. I think I'll leave the post up for now because (not on here) but just going to 7/11 I continue to hear people not believe the severity of this. Yup....agree totally. And some experts suggest that a majority of the U.S. population will contract the disease over 12-18 months as a result of its 2-3 times greater efficiency in transmission. If you factor in that, the results could be worse still. And BTW, where is jimed14? I've missed the daily 'faux virus' updates. Edit: U.S. cases are at 69,000, 6,000 behind Italy and only 12,000 behind China which, apparently thru draconian measures, has stemmed its tide assuming data is accurate. We will blow past those countries in a few days likely. Once (if) our hospitals are overrun, our current mortality rate of about 1.5% will probably go significantly higher. And re-opening businesses in 2-3 weeks is a huge gamble to the overload IMO.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 26, 2020 10:34:39 GMT -5
We can hope he hasn't had a personal reality check.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 26, 2020 10:46:26 GMT -5
You mean May? Also, there's more to this virus than the casualty rate. 1. 20% of all cases require hospitalization. That would stretch an already over-stretched medical system on a "normalized" day. 2. Overstuffed hospitals creates deaths from other diseases and viruses that would have been otherwise treatable. 3. We do not know the long-term damage of lung scar tissue causes by this virus from the survivors. 4. Let's ignore the world casualty rate and use the American casualty rate and compare it to the lower estimates of how many people per year who get the flu (keep in mind again, we're using US casualty rate, not international numbers and the lower end of the flu spectrum when this is more contagious than the flu). 34 million at 1.4% = 476,000 dead Americans. Again, that 1.4% compared to that of the international rate of 4%. Let's say we see a spike and hit 4% and looking at 40 million people. That's 1,600,000 people. Now, maybe 4% is the grim end, but 40 million infected is a low-end projection. This is a travesty. Edit: I'm sorry, I thought I clicked "last page". This is my own mistake. I think I'll leave the post up for now because (not on here) but just going to 7/11 I continue to hear people not believe the severity of this. Yup....agree totally. And some experts suggest that a majority of the U.S. population will contract the disease over 12-18 months as a result of its 2-3 times greater efficiency in transmission. If you factor in that, the results could be worse still. And BTW, where is jimed14? I've missed the daily 'faux virus' updates. Apologies for going off on another off-topic tangent, maybe this can get moved, but I agree that there is a severe risk of a majority of Americans contracting this considering the way we're treating it. I don't mean to go all "The math of the Coronavirus" but let's even just use conservative estimates and say 40% of the American population contract it with a mortality rate of 1.4%. 331,002,651 x 0.4 = 132,401,060 people will get infected. If 20% of these cases requires hospitalization then 132,401,060 x 0.2 = 26,480,212 beds will be needed for our hospitals as well as requiring appropriate amount of ventilators. This will take away supplies from others for other unrelated diseases. Once the pandemic is over, I want to see the death rate of non-Corona victims and compare it from before and after. Now 132,401,060 x 0.014 = 1,853,614 deaths. Again, that's 40% (not the majority which is being suggested by medical professionals) and our, so far, insanely low mortality rate compared to the rest of the globe. Stay home and don't go out for Easter. There will not be a baseball season without a vaccine. Anyone suggesting otherwise is either being disingenuous or horrifically irresponsible. I do want the hoax messages to come back though. I like to argue.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 26, 2020 16:41:19 GMT -5
Yup....agree totally. And some experts suggest that a majority of the U.S. population will contract the disease over 12-18 months as a result of its 2-3 times greater efficiency in transmission. If you factor in that, the results could be worse still. And BTW, where is jimed14? I've missed the daily 'faux virus' updates. Edit: U.S. cases are at 69,000, 6,000 behind Italy and only 12,000 behind China which, apparently thru draconian measures, has stemmed its tide assuming data is accurate. We will blow past those countries in a few days likely. Once (if) our hospitals are overrun, our current mortality rate of about 1.5% will probably go significantly higher. And re-opening businesses in 2-3 weeks is a huge gamble to the overload IMO. Or hours, as it turns out. It's crazy how quickly things have changed; it's like we're waking up in a different world every day. It's a trip to go back and read the first page of this thread, with mentions of MLB's new policy of keeping media out of the clubhouses and such, and realize that was just over two weeks ago. Red Sox would have been opening the season at Toronto today, by the way. (international travel lol)
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 26, 2020 17:46:52 GMT -5
Found myself thinking along similar lines, how a few weeks have morphed into what feels like two years. At the end of January we were holed up at a friends ecolodge in the Southern Hemisphere when the news broke of the virus. With China as the locus for many of the world's supply chains, we wondered what the implications would be. That seems like a lifetime ago.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 26, 2020 20:05:43 GMT -5
Lol it might actually happen
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 26, 2020 20:05:58 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Mar 26, 2020 20:16:28 GMT -5
Found myself thinking along similar lines, how a few weeks have morphed into what feels like two years. At the end of January we were holed up at a friends ecolodge in the Southern Hemisphere when the news broke of the virus. With China as the locus for many of the world's supply chains, we wondered what the implications would be. That seems like a lifetime ago. I went to Florida theme parks last week of January worried about international travelers. Now I'm worried about the guy who was 3 feet from me instead of 6 at Chipotle pickup line.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 26, 2020 21:06:43 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 26, 2020 21:21:09 GMT -5
Yup....agree totally. And some experts suggest that a majority of the U.S. population will contract the disease over 12-18 months as a result of its 2-3 times greater efficiency in transmission. If you factor in that, the results could be worse still. And BTW, where is jimed14? I've missed the daily 'faux virus' updates. Edit: U.S. cases are at 69,000, 6,000 behind Italy and only 12,000 behind China which, apparently thru draconian measures, has stemmed its tide assuming data is accurate. We will blow past those countries in a few days likely. Once (if) our hospitals are overrun, our current mortality rate of about 1.5% will probably go significantly higher. And re-opening businesses in 2-3 weeks is a huge gamble to the overload IMO. Or hours, as it turns out. It's crazy how quickly things have changed; it's like we're waking up in a different world every day. It's a trip to go back and read the first page of this thread, with mentions of MLB's new policy of keeping media out of the clubhouses and such, and realize that was just over two weeks ago. Red Sox would have been opening the season at Toronto today, by the way. (international travel lol) Yep! Despite starting months late, we now have the most confirmed cases in the world....and that's with incomplete testing! ....Just wait until whoever wants a test can get one!! Those other countries will eat our dust! But hey, we have an economy to save...a few extra lives?...Well, they were expendable. No baseball this year unless we hit a sharp and near term peak in Covid cases.
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Post by sportnik on Mar 26, 2020 22:25:45 GMT -5
That Mookie Betts deal... Not looking so dumb anymore....
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 27, 2020 2:31:18 GMT -5
LOL and if the players don't get paid, the Sox also save $16m on Price. This might end up being the greatest trade in history.
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Post by gerry on Mar 27, 2020 3:04:55 GMT -5
The negotiations seem to indicate that both MLB and the players are hoping for something In 2020 but getting ready for 2021. So should we IMO. The best news I heard today is that the president has zero control over when state lockdowns end. Most governors in states with MLB teams are trying to contain this virus with isolation and lockdowns, placing lives over dollars and resisting the hateful “boomer remover” idiots. These governors are struggling to keep their people safe and will be unlikely to sacrifice them, let alone for a fake economic bounce back.
In terms of baseball, the surviving parents and grandparents will once again fill the seats in games from ST to postseason, most likely in 2021, bringing their kids and grandkids with them, splurging on merch and concessions as usual. If I sound upset, I am. I haven’t heard of such callous remarks (or actions) against life’s intrinsic value for decades. And this is not just from basement bloggers but from prominent politicians and mediots. I sincerely hope the billionaire Red Sox owners show more human concern and care for their people, from security guards to players at all levels than the Bruins billionaire owners. Shameful. And I am not a boomer.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 27, 2020 3:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Mar 27, 2020 10:54:26 GMT -5
The negotiations seem to indicate that both MLB and the players are hoping for something In 2020 but getting ready for 2021. So should we IMO. The best news I heard today is that the president has zero control over when state lockdowns end. Most governors in states with MLB teams are trying to contain this virus with isolation and lockdowns, placing lives over dollars and resisting the hateful “boomer remover” idiots. These governors are struggling to keep their people safe and will be unlikely to sacrifice them, let alone for a fake economic bounce back. In terms of baseball, the surviving parents and grandparents will once again fill the seats in games from ST to postseason, most likely in 2021, bringing their kids and grandkids with them, splurging on merch and concessions as usual. If I sound upset, I am. I haven’t heard of such callous remarks (or actions) against life’s intrinsic value for decades. And this is not just from basement bloggers but from prominent politicians and mediots. I sincerely hope the billionaire Red Sox owners show more human concern and care for their people, from security guards to players at all levels than the Bruins billionaire owners. Shameful. And I am not a boomer. Speaking of that... actionnetwork.org/petitions/workers-who-feed-fenway-must-not-be-left-behind
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 27, 2020 21:09:00 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 28, 2020 7:56:44 GMT -5
If there is no 2020 season and the Sox still need to be under the limit for 2021 then that would eliminate any chance of bringing back Mookie Betts, not that I think he'd be coming back either way. If the Red Sox really felt that the odds of bringing back Mookie beyond his walk year were any good at all, I don't think they would have dealt him away in the first place. But if there is no 2020 season then there is zero chance he's back at all beyond 2020.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 28, 2020 9:13:19 GMT -5
Interesting dilemma brought up with Noah Syndergaard's announcement of Tommy John surgery. Several states including New York and Alabama, where Dr. Andrews lives, have banned elective surgery. Florida (which is where the surgery is taking place) has also banned elective surgery. But what constitutes elective is pretty much left up to the doctor. Some counties are in lock down also. Hillsborough yesterday and my wife heard on news our Polk (borders it) followed suit shortly after. Only emergencies, food, medical allowed.
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 28, 2020 9:32:56 GMT -5
What a pigheaded and shortsighted decision by the league (not that I expect anything less at this point). Nothing will get fans back into the game after a cancelled season like the Red Sox sitting on the sidelines of free agency again in the name of resetting the tax penalties again. Man, I can't wait. How hard would it be to just treat 2020 as a luxury tax holiday, or at bare minimum allow teams that look like they would have been under $208m had there been a season to reset?
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