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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 5, 2020 6:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 7:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Apr 5, 2020 10:00:00 GMT -5
Say philsbosoxfan, I saw a tweet from someone who said that food shortages were starting to emerge in the Philippines (I think more due to economic disruption than the virus itself), but I couldn't find any reporting to confirm that. Have you heard about anything like that? It would be a really ominous sign for the whole developing world...
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Post by incandenza on Apr 5, 2020 10:23:41 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not going down the political hole with someone blaming "republican Governor's". You are clearly a die-hard Democrat that hates Trump on all fronts no matter what. Just for the record I'm independent, voted Obama then Trump. It's not my fault Clinton was the best the Democrats had! Trump is Trump, we know this. I get hatting his rattling style and say whatever without thinking. I hate that also, but those stupid things he says also aren't everything either. You can focus on his ramblings and weaknesses or what he actual does. I'm sure just about anyone besides him would have been better to watch and listen to. He's a horrible speaker, it gets painful to watch. Yet I also didn't want a president all 100% negative from day one. He reacted when faced with facts. Truth is if the CDC had the tests ready and we didn't hardly test anyone because they weren't ready this could have been a lot better! You can't say trust the professional, they hold our President responsible when he does just that and they mess it up. In hindsight that looks smart now, but I don't want a president going against the CDC and saying nope don't do it your way, do it my way. Every since it was clear that we weren't special and couldn't stop this, I haven't minded Trump's handling of it. Declared emergency and testing took off, help was sent to New York, they bought up all the supplies in the market. Litterally buying supplies on tarmacs going to other Countries by paying with big bags of cash. Other Countries are calling it modern day piracy. Working with China and Russia to get us supplies even when he knew the press would destroy him for it. If you somehow expected the US to be ten times better than Countries like Italy, Spain, France, Germany, the UK, Japan etc I think you were expecting too much. Yeah in hindsight they all should have locked everything down from day one and tested like crazy. Yet almost no Countries shut down there economies unless they absolutely have to or spend hundreds of billions on medical supplies that were already all bought up by China anyway. Mike Pence is head of the response team, not Kushner. He seems more than qualified for that role. Isn't Kushner just responsible from getting supplies for FEMA? The last briefing I watched by the governor of New York they showed a seven date chart showing ICU cases had been in the 1,400's for a week. Yes new people come in, yet others get better or die. If they had a rising level every day okay I would get that, but they don't. I'm sorry but the last thing I want my Governor doing is acting like things are worse than they are. You watch him and you think people are dieing because we don't have enough respirators, when in reality that have thousands of unused ones in storage. He's done a great job of scaring them to leave to second homes in Berkshire County where I live and many other states. All while allowing thousands to gather when a hospital ship comes in. Yet locking down New York is like the federal government declaring war on New York in his mind. Do your job than and stop inciting panic unless it's a reality, not just your gut feeling. I'm so sick of Politics. Even now it just never stops! Fire every last one of them and start over, it's a broken system! It's litterally one of the reasons I voted Trump I didn't want the same old career politician that did the same old things. Term Limits, Term Limits, Term Limits! The thing I agree with here, and the best you can say for Trump I think, is that it's not like other countries have done such a bang-up job. Almost everyone was too slow to act, and some countries, like the UK and the Netherlands, pursued the "herd immunity" strategy for way too long. As for Cuomo, I live in Queens and hear the ambulances going by all day long. Forgive me if I side with the governor who's trying to get more medical equipment for his state. (Honestly, I find this criticism bizarre - wouldn't it be a dereliction of duty for any governor to not try to get the equipment they think they need?) I don't really want to go further down the politics rabbit hole either, and sort of regret getting into it. But I want to say one more thing in regards to the folks who are blaming "both sides" or a general sort of squabbling for government not working. I really don't think that's right. When Sandy hit NY and NJ, Obama and Christie worked together, effectively, without trying to score political points over it. I was no GW Bush fan, but after September 11th he did try to bring the nation together, at least in the midst of crisis, and avoided, for instance, demonizing Muslims. Every president in my lifetime has at least seen it as their job to represent the whole country in times of crisis. Until Trump. He is just not interested in doing that. Political fighting on the issues... well, that's what politics is supposed to be about. I know people don't like it, but it's the nature of the beast. But it should be possible to transcend that in moments of national crisis. And it's not possible right now, because of who the president is. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 11:59:25 GMT -5
Say philsbosoxfan, I saw a tweet from someone who said that food shortages were starting to emerge in the Philippines (I think more due to economic disruption than the virus itself), but I couldn't find any reporting to confirm that. Have you heard about anything like that? It would be a really ominous sign for the whole developing world... I don't see it and I'm not seeing it in either the news or the social media. Here, the shelves are pretty much stocked as usual but I expect to see some import shortages over time but those are typically luxuries not necessities. Kit Kats, not rice. The Philippines is a net food exporter of basic commodities. What I do see is economic situations largely due to unemployment. There is no welfare, food stamps or unemployment coverage here. For the poor, those are usually handled by the local residents and governments. Right now, a lot of our island is unemployed but the families are being fed through the churches and government. I see local officials delivering food every day. Our church has 10 unemployed families and we've committed to 100 kilos of rice a month but the rice is easy to find. There's a small amount of inflation but it's not bad because most of the cities have enacted commodity price controls. I said earlier, I'm expecting food importing counties to have problems. I expect that because a lot of countries have closed their shipping ports. We live across the bay from the 5th largest shipping port in Southeast Asia. Right now, it's pretty much a ghost town with few ships at the docks. ADDING: something because it skews the statistics of the situation. The National Food Authority imports rice, mainly from Vietnam. The intent of that is to make a competing source to keep the price of their most basic commodity, rice, stable. I read today that Vietnam expects no changes in that flow. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 12:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by sdiaz1 on Apr 5, 2020 12:36:22 GMT -5
I know that I said that I was going to stop interacting with your posts..... but are you really touting Dr.Oz? I mean JFC, the man is a charlatan and has admitted when under oath to have lied on his show about the efficacy of multiple drugs he has promoted. Also, you proudly said that you prefer to get your news from the AP and Reuters (both legitimate sources) yet you have not once referenced articles to either in this thread. Instead you have reportedly sited Chinese State Media, CSN (an extremely conservative online only site whose editor in chief was a stooge for Pat Buchanan) and a Twitter based meme maker who is an ardent Duterte supporter. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 13:02:00 GMT -5
I know that I said that I was going to stop interacting with your posts..... but are you really touting Dr.Oz? I mean JFC, the man is a charlatan and has admitted when under oath to have lied on his show about the efficacy of multiple drugs he has promoted. Also, you proudly said that you prefer to get your news from the AP and Reuters (both legitimate sources) yet you have not once referenced articles to either in this thread. Instead you have reportedly sited Chinese State Media, CSN (an extremely conservative online only site whose editor in chief was a stooge for Pat Buchanan) and a Twitter based meme maker who is an ardent Duterte supporter. I prefaced that with "if this is accurate" and the Dr. Oz part is not the main point of that story, the Israel part is the key here. Also, I really wish you would go back to not interacting with my threads in spite of my opinion that you must be incredibly blissful. I also referenced Reuters and APnews multiple times in the past 3 pages alone. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 5, 2020 13:15:07 GMT -5
I think what the world really needs to keep an eye on is the situation in India as the Coronavirus spreads. They will lead the world in cases and deaths.
With that said, finger pointing at the Muslim community has already begun in a country where tensions between the minority community were already high. This has the potential to get very ugly.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 5, 2020 14:42:54 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not going down the political hole with someone blaming "republican Governor's". You are clearly a die-hard Democrat that hates Trump on all fronts no matter what. Just for the record I'm independent, voted Obama then Trump. It's not my fault Clinton was the best the Democrats had! Trump is Trump, we know this. I get hatting his rattling style and say whatever without thinking. I hate that also, but those stupid things he says also aren't everything either. You can focus on his ramblings and weaknesses or what he actual does. I'm sure just about anyone besides him would have been better to watch and listen to. He's a horrible speaker, it gets painful to watch. Yet I also didn't want a president all 100% negative from day one. He reacted when faced with facts. Truth is if the CDC had the tests ready and we didn't hardly test anyone because they weren't ready this could have been a lot better! You can't say trust the professional, they hold our President responsible when he does just that and they mess it up. In hindsight that looks smart now, but I don't want a president going against the CDC and saying nope don't do it your way, do it my way. Every since it was clear that we weren't special and couldn't stop this, I haven't minded Trump's handling of it. Declared emergency and testing took off, help was sent to New York, they bought up all the supplies in the market. Litterally buying supplies on tarmacs going to other Countries by paying with big bags of cash. Other Countries are calling it modern day piracy. Working with China and Russia to get us supplies even when he knew the press would destroy him for it. If you somehow expected the US to be ten times better than Countries like Italy, Spain, France, Germany, the UK, Japan etc I think you were expecting too much. Yeah in hindsight they all should have locked everything down from day one and tested like crazy. Yet almost no Countries shut down there economies unless they absolutely have to or spend hundreds of billions on medical supplies that were already all bought up by China anyway. Mike Pence is head of the response team, not Kushner. He seems more than qualified for that role. Isn't Kushner just responsible from getting supplies for FEMA? The last briefing I watched by the governor of New York they showed a seven date chart showing ICU cases had been in the 1,400's for a week. Yes new people come in, yet others get better or die. If they had a rising level every day okay I would get that, but they don't. I'm sorry but the last thing I want my Governor doing is acting like things are worse than they are. You watch him and you think people are dieing because we don't have enough respirators, when in reality that have thousands of unused ones in storage. He's done a great job of scaring them to leave to second homes in Berkshire County where I live and many other states. All while allowing thousands to gather when a hospital ship comes in. Yet locking down New York is like the federal government declaring war on New York in his mind. Do your job than and stop inciting panic unless it's a reality, not just your gut feeling. I'm so sick of Politics. Even now it just never stops! Fire every last one of them and start over, it's a broken system! It's litterally one of the reasons I voted Trump I didn't want the same old career politician that did the same old things. Term Limits, Term Limits, Term Limits! The thing I agree with here, and the best you can say for Trump I think, is that it's not like other countries have done such a bang-up job. Almost everyone was too slow to act, and some countries, like the UK and the Netherlands, pursued the "herd immunity" strategy for way too long. As for Cuomo, I live in Queens and hear the ambulances going by all day long. Forgive me if I side with the governor who's trying to get more medical equipment for his state. (Honestly, I find this criticism bizarre - wouldn't it be a dereliction of duty for any governor to not try to get the equipment they think they need?) I don't really want to go further down the politics rabbit hole either, and sort of regret getting into it. But I want to say one more thing in regards to the folks who are blaming "both sides" or a general sort of squabbling for government not working. I really don't think that's right. When Sandy hit NY and NJ, Obama and Christie worked together, effectively, without trying to score political points over it. I was no GW Bush fan, but after September 11th he did try to bring the nation together, at least in the midst of crisis, and avoided, for instance, demonizing Muslims. Every president in my lifetime has at least seen it as their job to represent the whole country in times of crisis. Until Trump. He is just not interested in doing that. Political fighting on the issues... well, that's what politics is supposed to be about. I know people don't like it, but it's the nature of the beast. But it should be possible to transcend that in moments of national crisis. And it's not possible right now, because of who the president is. “Political fighting on the issues”, isn’t what’s been taking place the last 3+ years. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 5, 2020 16:02:45 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not going down the political hole with someone blaming "republican Governor's". You are clearly a die-hard Democrat that hates Trump on all fronts no matter what. Just for the record I'm independent, voted Obama then Trump. It's not my fault Clinton was the best the Democrats had! Trump is Trump, we know this. I get hatting his rattling style and say whatever without thinking. I hate that also, but those stupid things he says also aren't everything either. You can focus on his ramblings and weaknesses or what he actual does. I'm sure just about anyone besides him would have been better to watch and listen to. He's a horrible speaker, it gets painful to watch. Yet I also didn't want a president all 100% negative from day one. He reacted when faced with facts. Truth is if the CDC had the tests ready and we didn't hardly test anyone because they weren't ready this could have been a lot better! You can't say trust the professional, they hold our President responsible when he does just that and they mess it up. In hindsight that looks smart now, but I don't want a president going against the CDC and saying nope don't do it your way, do it my way. Every since it was clear that we weren't special and couldn't stop this, I haven't minded Trump's handling of it. Declared emergency and testing took off, help was sent to New York, they bought up all the supplies in the market. Litterally buying supplies on tarmacs going to other Countries by paying with big bags of cash. Other Countries are calling it modern day piracy. Working with China and Russia to get us supplies even when he knew the press would destroy him for it. If you somehow expected the US to be ten times better than Countries like Italy, Spain, France, Germany, the UK, Japan etc I think you were expecting too much. Yeah in hindsight they all should have locked everything down from day one and tested like crazy. Yet almost no Countries shut down there economies unless they absolutely have to or spend hundreds of billions on medical supplies that were already all bought up by China anyway. Mike Pence is head of the response team, not Kushner. He seems more than qualified for that role. Isn't Kushner just responsible from getting supplies for FEMA? The last briefing I watched by the governor of New York they showed a seven date chart showing ICU cases had been in the 1,400's for a week. Yes new people come in, yet others get better or die. If they had a rising level every day okay I would get that, but they don't. I'm sorry but the last thing I want my Governor doing is acting like things are worse than they are. You watch him and you think people are dieing because we don't have enough respirators, when in reality that have thousands of unused ones in storage. He's done a great job of scaring them to leave to second homes in Berkshire County where I live and many other states. All while allowing thousands to gather when a hospital ship comes in. Yet locking down New York is like the federal government declaring war on New York in his mind. Do your job than and stop inciting panic unless it's a reality, not just your gut feeling. I'm so sick of Politics. Even now it just never stops! Fire every last one of them and start over, it's a broken system! It's litterally one of the reasons I voted Trump I didn't want the same old career politician that did the same old things. Term Limits, Term Limits, Term Limits! The thing I agree with here, and the best you can say for Trump I think, is that it's not like other countries have done such a bang-up job. Almost everyone was too slow to act, and some countries, like the UK and the Netherlands, pursued the "herd immunity" strategy for way too long. As for Cuomo, I live in Queens and hear the ambulances going by all day long. Forgive me if I side with the governor who's trying to get more medical equipment for his state. (Honestly, I find this criticism bizarre - wouldn't it be a dereliction of duty for any governor to not try to get the equipment they think they need?) I don't really want to go further down the politics rabbit hole either, and sort of regret getting into it. But I want to say one more thing in regards to the folks who are blaming "both sides" or a general sort of squabbling for government not working. I really don't think that's right. When Sandy hit NY and NJ, Obama and Christie worked together, effectively, without trying to score political points over it. I was no GW Bush fan, but after September 11th he did try to bring the nation together, at least in the midst of crisis, and avoided, for instance, demonizing Muslims. Every president in my lifetime has at least seen it as their job to represent the whole country in times of crisis. Until Trump. He is just not interested in doing that. Political fighting on the issues... well, that's what politics is supposed to be about. I know people don't like it, but it's the nature of the beast. But it should be possible to transcend that in moments of national crisis. And it's not possible right now, because of who the president is. Ok, I’ll set the personal aside and judge Trump on what he’s done alone. Still the worst President in history. Failed even by his own idiotic standards. Hasn’t brought manufacturing jobs back, ceded world authority to China, let Russia, well, Russia, done zip on Iran or NK. By any metric he is a disaster. On this, we CAN point fingers at the GOP, because their governors are literally killing us. DeWine has been a heroic exception, doing a really amazing job. But GA reopening beaches? Florida slow on everything? The moron governor of Iowa saying Fauci doesn’t have all the facts (relative to her that is)? The GOP has become a party of how-we-feel, more interested in “gut” and owning liberals than reality. Now, in the past week and I’m sure in weeks to come history will be revised.... Hannity will say he has always been in front of this etc. I live in WA on the border of Idaho. While we shut down they did... nothing. So within a mile, we had closed restaurants, parks, everything and they.... just carried on. We are flattening the curve, but that will be temporary, because red states will be responsible for a second wave. The idea that we shouldn’t be political is absurd. This is a political event as much as it is a natural disaster. When states do as they please (on a partisan divide!), it affects everyone. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 5, 2020 17:21:30 GMT -5
The thing I agree with here, and the best you can say for Trump I think, is that it's not like other countries have done such a bang-up job. Almost everyone was too slow to act, and some countries, like the UK and the Netherlands, pursued the "herd immunity" strategy for way too long. As for Cuomo, I live in Queens and hear the ambulances going by all day long. Forgive me if I side with the governor who's trying to get more medical equipment for his state. (Honestly, I find this criticism bizarre - wouldn't it be a dereliction of duty for any governor to not try to get the equipment they think they need?) I don't really want to go further down the politics rabbit hole either, and sort of regret getting into it. But I want to say one more thing in regards to the folks who are blaming "both sides" or a general sort of squabbling for government not working. I really don't think that's right. When Sandy hit NY and NJ, Obama and Christie worked together, effectively, without trying to score political points over it. I was no GW Bush fan, but after September 11th he did try to bring the nation together, at least in the midst of crisis, and avoided, for instance, demonizing Muslims. Every president in my lifetime has at least seen it as their job to represent the whole country in times of crisis. Until Trump. He is just not interested in doing that. Political fighting on the issues... well, that's what politics is supposed to be about. I know people don't like it, but it's the nature of the beast. But it should be possible to transcend that in moments of national crisis. And it's not possible right now, because of who the president is. Ok, I’ll set the personal aside and judge Trump on what he’s done alone. Still the worst President in history. Failed even by his own idiotic standards. Hasn’t brought manufacturing jobs back, ceded world authority to China, let Russia, well, Russia, done zip on Iran or NK. By any metric he is a disaster. On this, we CAN point fingers at the GOP, because their governors are literally killing us. DeWine has been a heroic exception, doing a really amazing job. But GA reopening beaches? Florida slow on everything? The moron governor of Iowa saying Fauci doesn’t have all the facts (relative to her that is)? The GOP has become a party of how-we-feel, more interested in “gut” and owning liberals than reality. Now, in the past week and I’m sure in weeks to come history will be revised.... Hannity will say he has always been in front of this etc. I live in WA on the border of Idaho. While we shut down they did... nothing. So within a mile, we had closed restaurants, parks, everything and they.... just carried on. We are flattening the curve, but that will be temporary, because red states will be responsible for a second wave. The idea that we shouldn’t be political is absurd. This is a political event as much as it is a natural disaster. When states do as they please (on a partisan divide!), it affects everyone. Even William Harrison? |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 5, 2020 17:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Apr 5, 2020 17:57:39 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll set the personal aside and judge Trump on what he’s done alone. Still the worst President in history. Failed even by his own idiotic standards. Hasn’t brought manufacturing jobs back, ceded world authority to China, let Russia, well, Russia, done zip on Iran or NK. By any metric he is a disaster. On this, we CAN point fingers at the GOP, because their governors are literally killing us. DeWine has been a heroic exception, doing a really amazing job. But GA reopening beaches? Florida slow on everything? The moron governor of Iowa saying Fauci doesn’t have all the facts (relative to her that is)? The GOP has become a party of how-we-feel, more interested in “gut” and owning liberals than reality. Now, in the past week and I’m sure in weeks to come history will be revised.... Hannity will say he has always been in front of this etc. I live in WA on the border of Idaho. While we shut down they did... nothing. So within a mile, we had closed restaurants, parks, everything and they.... just carried on. We are flattening the curve, but that will be temporary, because red states will be responsible for a second wave. The idea that we shouldn’t be political is absurd. This is a political event as much as it is a natural disaster. When states do as they please (on a partisan divide!), it affects everyone. Even William Harrison? William Henry Harrison: dies of respiratory illness. Trump: bumbles through mass respiratory illness, letting 1,000s die. Yeah, I’d take Harrison. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 18:24:44 GMT -5
I read one fluff piece (can't remember where I saw it) about a week ago that is a bit of a microcosm of how I perceive the USA to be right now. The article was about a small town who's main street was the border of two states (one was Tennessee, I don't remember the other). One side of town was in lockdown, one side totally open. To me, the residents of that town have a choice, expose themselves to it or avoid it. Pretty simple really.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 18:36:36 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Apr 5, 2020 18:48:35 GMT -5
I read one fluff piece (can't remember where I saw it) about a week ago that is a bit of a microcosm of how I perceive the USA to be right now. The article was about a small town who's main street was the border of two states (one was Tennessee, I don't remember the other). One side of town was in lockdown, one side totally open. To me, the residents of that town have a choice, expose themselves to it or avoid it. Pretty simple really. Yeah, but what about when people cross over for groceries or whatever? Or, 3 weeks from now, when the people who have acted responsibly have to decide if they need to wait longer to see if the idiots cramming mega Churches are still infected? Borders aren’t disinfected. This is the same fool thing with vaccines. A small number of Americans think they are exceptions so they don’t follow science, wanting it both ways: they will still be part of herd immunity but get to be cool “free” idiots. But then we get measles or Covid. Edit 2: Jesus this pisses me off. The people in the closed part better make sure they are healthy AF... not just Coronavirus. Cause when their damn-fool “neighbors” all collapse their shared hospital services, they’ll be out of luck. Here in WA, I am hearing stories from friends about people with serious health issues who can’t see a doctor. Just yesterday, I heard about a guy I know with kidney problems who is in grave condition but can’t see a doc. Remember when rightwingers whined and lied about death panels under Obamacare? Well, we’re about there now thanks to their live-free-you-die attitudes. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 5, 2020 19:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 19:18:22 GMT -5
Small update about my friend in New Mexico with cancer and a stroke. One of our classmates is head of transplant surgery for UVa hospital and he was able to contact him to give him some advice.
Relative to that, one line is applicable to us all. He said if you think you are having a stroke, don't hesitate to call 9-1-1. Hospitals are still handling emergencies and a stroke is an emergency.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 5, 2020 19:27:51 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 5, 2020 20:02:23 GMT -5
I read one fluff piece (can't remember where I saw it) about a week ago that is a bit of a microcosm of how I perceive the USA to be right now. The article was about a small town who's main street was the border of two states (one was Tennessee, I don't remember the other). One side of town was in lockdown, one side totally open. To me, the residents of that town have a choice, expose themselves to it or avoid it. Pretty simple really. I think I am going to half to disagree with you again. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 23:30:33 GMT -5
I read one fluff piece (can't remember where I saw it) about a week ago that is a bit of a microcosm of how I perceive the USA to be right now. The article was about a small town who's main street was the border of two states (one was Tennessee, I don't remember the other). One side of town was in lockdown, one side totally open. To me, the residents of that town have a choice, expose themselves to it or avoid it. Pretty simple really. I think I am going to half to disagree with you again. I'm just trying to say that at this point the odds on catching it as individuals are dramatically changed by our individual behavior. For the people still partying and breaking social distancing rules, they've made their own choice. You can't legislate intelligence. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2020 23:41:56 GMT -5
There's no way to know if it's factual but there appears to be a split in the brain trust. I'm not a doctor but from what I've read... 1. China wasn't treating Covid patients with this. They were using a flu medicine developed in Japan. 2. Where China comes in though is their observation that patients who were already being treated with this for malaria, didn't catch Covid. 3. The malaria drug has been around for years as treatment for malaria. I think it's relatively safe to assume that the side effects are minimal. For me, if the USA starts using it, the first use should be for the front liners as a preventative. The second use, as a treatment, is really where the issue is and I find it difficult to believe that it's use is going to slow down any research on other treatments or vaccinations. Just two days ago, UVa applied for a research grant and I'm pretty sure they aren't alone. It may or may not help but I just don't see where it's likely to be harmful. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 5, 2020 23:44:12 GMT -5
I'm just trying to say that at this point the odds on catching it as individuals are dramatically changed by our individual behavior. For the people still partying and breaking social distancing rules, they've made their own choice. You can't legislate intelligence. This is really not true: our odds are significantly impacted by what others do. Fauci says there should be a national stay-at-home order. If there isn’t, we risk, as he says, a seasonal disease. So while many of us are doing what we can now, our odds of getting it later are higher because of what others are doing. You cannot legislate intelligence, and watching people like the governors of Florida and Georgia, I recognize morons are even less able to do so. But the idiocy of our fellow citizens actually makes solid stay-at-home rules more important. In California, the cops are issuing summonses to people out for non-essential activities. In Georgia, the halfwit governor is reopening the beaches. Across the South, megachurches are still hosting massive gatherings. Those people are increasing the odds of catching Coronavirus for us all. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 5, 2020 23:47:40 GMT -5
There's no way to know if it's factual but there appears to be a split in the brain trust. I'm not a doctor but from what I've read... 1. China wasn't treating Covid patients with this. They were using a flu medicine developed in Japan. 2. Where China comes in though is their observation that patients who were already being treated with this for malaria, didn't catch Covid. 3. The malaria drug has been around for years as treatment for malaria. I think it's relatively safe to assume that the side effects are minimal. For me, if the USA starts using it, the first use should be for the front liners as a preventative. The second use, as a treatment, is really where the issue is and I find it difficult to believe that it's use is going to slow down any research on other treatments or vaccinations. Just two days ago, UVa applied for a research grant and I'm pretty sure they aren't alone. It may or may not help but I just don't see where it's likely to be harmful. You start with you not being a doctor. End there. If Fauci thinks it’s not proven, why base policy on the instincts of a former tv talking head? And... more to the point... why is this group disputing medical policy with one of the world's leading doctors? Does that make you feel safer? Jared is a grade-A moron, someone who is terrible at the one real job — real estate — he’s ever had. Why is in the room? |
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