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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 0:09:53 GMT -5
The major religions of the world seem to be amazingly quiet here. Pretty much no leadership. About all I've seen is Pope Francis calling for prayer. Yes, most churches have closed but that's pretty much locally derived, not from the top.
The minor religions, for the most part have been a disaster. There are a few like Inglisa ni Christo here that have been extremely helpful but those are far outnumbered by the idiots.
In Texas, it's pretty much business as usual since their governor deemed churches as essential services. In Louisiana there's a nutcase drawing large crowds because he claims he can cure Covid. That's a great combo, large crowds mixed in with Covid positive people looking for a cure. There's also a TV evangelist who just said God told him he needs to raise $300 million this year. At least we know who God talks to. That list seems to grow daily.
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Post by manfred on Apr 6, 2020 0:18:13 GMT -5
The major religions of the world seem to be amazingly quiet here. Pretty much no leadership. About all I've seen is Pope Francis calling for prayer. Yes, most churches have closed but that's pretty much locally derived, not from the top. The minor religions, for the most part have been a disaster. There are a few like Inglisa ni Christo here that have been extremely helpful but those are far outnumbered by the idiots. In Texas, it's pretty much business as usual since their governor deemed churches as essential services. In Louisiana there's a nutcase drawing large crowds because he claims he can cure Covid. That's a great combo, large crowds mixed in with Covid positive people looking for a cure. There's also a TV evangelist who just said God told him he needs to raise $300 million this year. At least we know who God talks to. That list seems to grow daily. This will be a major factor in the next wave. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 0:32:03 GMT -5
Some oddities that I've observed.
In Japan, they seem to have turned the corner yet, they never really shut down. It took a lot of international pressure to get them to delay the Olympics and they still had their annual cherry blossom festival. I would think that would be a Covid-19 hot spot because they have an extreme of aging population and over crowding of cities because of limited usable land.
In Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country by a long shot, Covid-19 doesn't seem to be taking off there in spite of the fact that mosque attendance is up, not down.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 1:20:40 GMT -5
On the other side of the coin, South Korea also seems to have turned the corner. There, they went into pretty much immediate strict lockdown. Like I said someplace, one of my neighbors owns a large hospital just outside of Seoul. Within a very few days (or maybe the next day) of the announcement that the religious group had contracted it, they sent a military plane to get him in Davao.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 6, 2020 1:44:05 GMT -5
There's no way to know if it's factual but there appears to be a split in the brain trust. I'm not a doctor but from what I've read... 1. China wasn't treating Covid patients with this. They were using a flu medicine developed in Japan. 2. Where China comes in though is their observation that patients who were already being treated with this for malaria, didn't catch Covid. 3. The malaria drug has been around for years as treatment for malaria. I think it's relatively safe to assume that the side effects are minimal. For me, if the USA starts using it, the first use should be for the front liners as a preventative. The second use, as a treatment, is really where the issue is and I find it difficult to believe that it's use is going to slow down any research on other treatments or vaccinations. Just two days ago, UVa applied for a research grant and I'm pretty sure they aren't alone. It may or may not help but I just don't see where it's likely to be harmful. You start with you not being a doctor. End there. If Fauci thinks it’s not proven, why base policy on the instincts of a former tv talking head? And... more to the point... why is this group disputing medical policy with one of the world's leading doctors? Does that make you feel safer? Jared is a grade-A moron, someone who is terrible at the one real job — real estate — he’s ever had. Why is in the room? I agree to a point, but isn't a limited positive result better than nothing during a crisis? Surely someone in France is giving the medical opinion that the drug has shown some success and are trying that for the time being until either proven false or better treatments/medications come out? I would listen to Fauci above all else, but unless he's suggesting there's potentially disastrous, negative implications, what's the harm in using something that may work or may ultimately be a placebo? There's no real alternatives at the moment and people are dying. Again, the people who got violently ill were eating fish food. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 4:07:27 GMT -5
You go queenie...
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 6, 2020 4:43:18 GMT -5
The major religions of the world seem to be amazingly quiet here. Pretty much no leadership. About all I've seen is Pope Francis calling for prayer. Yes, most churches have closed but that's pretty much locally derived, not from the top. The minor religions, for the most part have been a disaster. There are a few like Inglisa ni Christo here that have been extremely helpful but those are far outnumbered by the idiots. In Texas, it's pretty much business as usual since their governor deemed churches as essential services. In Louisiana there's a nutcase drawing large crowds because he claims he can cure Covid. That's a great combo, large crowds mixed in with Covid positive people looking for a cure. There's also a TV evangelist who just said God told him he needs to raise $300 million this year. At least we know who God talks to. That list seems to grow daily. A bunch of rocket scientists and all Trump supporters. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 5:36:20 GMT -5
Not to worry, only 5 more years.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 7:31:38 GMT -5
 By the way, I saw a meme that I don't know if its true or not but according to that Bill Gates has donated 2 billion to medical research. Then there's this:
Billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates, Alibaba founder Jack Ma, former hedge fund manager George Soros, and Hong Kong's richest man Li Ka-Shing have collectively pledged over $100 billion towards various efforts to help alleviate the coronavirus outbreak. www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-spending-hundreds-of-millions-on-coronavirus-research-2020-3 |
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Post by manfred on Apr 6, 2020 8:25:49 GMT -5
You start with you not being a doctor. End there. If Fauci thinks it’s not proven, why base policy on the instincts of a former tv talking head? And... more to the point... why is this group disputing medical policy with one of the world's leading doctors? Does that make you feel safer? Jared is a grade-A moron, someone who is terrible at the one real job — real estate — he’s ever had. Why is in the room? I agree to a point, but isn't a limited positive result better than nothing during a crisis? Surely someone in France is giving the medical opinion that the drug has shown some success and are trying that for the time being until either proven false or better treatments/medications come out? I would listen to Fauci above all else, but unless he's suggesting there's potentially disastrous, negative implications, what's the harm in using something that may work or may ultimately be a placebo? There's no real alternatives at the moment and people are dying. Again, the people who got violently ill were eating fish food. I am not a doctor, so take this with a grain of salt but... A) most drugs have some side effects, mild as they may be. B) there is a loss in time and attention when you chase false cures. The amount of times Trump has trotted out this miracle cure without evidence diminishes the seriousness of the situation. C) I grew up in NY in the 80s, and I remember well the snake oil people used to promote to “cure” AIDS. When people believe a disease is treatable, they don’t take as many precautions. It causes spikes. D) And, again: if you had a doctor who gave you a pill that you later found out did nothing... and that he’d been told that!.... would you trust him? We have a President who lies like he breathes who is promoting a drug he has been told has not been proven to help... that is not good leadership. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 6, 2020 8:26:37 GMT -5
Not to worry, only 5 more years. Not for the 1000s of Americans Trump gets killed. |
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Post by incandenza on Apr 6, 2020 8:32:18 GMT -5
Some oddities that I've observed. In Japan, they seem to have turned the corner yet, they never really shut down. It took a lot of international pressure to get them to delay the Olympics and they still had their annual cherry blossom festival. I would think that would be a Covid-19 hot spot because they have an extreme of aging population and over crowding of cities because of limited usable land. In Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country by a long shot, Covid-19 doesn't seem to be taking off there in spite of the fact that mosque attendance is up, not down. You're a little behind on Japan, unfortunately - their cases have started to go up exponentially in the last couple weeks. It is odd it took so long for that to start happening there. In better news, several European countries seem to have bent the curve downwards, and Austria has even announced they'll ease social distancing restrictions later this month. Hopefully that's where we'll be in a few weeks, though unfortunately I think it'll take longer in a lot of the South, where the governors really dragged their feet on putting the restrictions in in the first place. That's where national leadership would have helped. |
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Post by sdiaz1 on Apr 6, 2020 10:10:16 GMT -5
I agree to a point, but isn't a limited positive result better than nothing during a crisis? Surely someone in France is giving the medical opinion that the drug has shown some success and are trying that for the time being until either proven false or better treatments/medications come out? I would listen to Fauci above all else, but unless he's suggesting there's potentially disastrous, negative implications, what's the harm in using something that may work or may ultimately be a placebo? There's no real alternatives at the moment and people are dying. Again, the people who got violently ill were eating fish food. I am not a doctor, so take this with a grain of salt but... A) most drugs have some side effects, mild as they may be. B) there is a loss in time and attention when you chase false cures. The amount of times Trump has trotted out this miracle cure without evidence diminishes the seriousness of the situation. C) I grew up in NY in the 80s, and I remember well the snake oil people used to promote to “cure” AIDS. When people believe a disease is treatable, they don’t take as many precautions. It causes spikes. D) And, again: if you had a doctor who gave you a pill that you later found out did nothing... and that he’d been told that!.... would you trust him? We have a President who lies like he breathes who is promoting a drug he has been told has not been proven to help... that is not good leadership. Also the fact that Malaria kills hundreds of thousands every year. According to the WHO, in 2017 435,000 people died worldwide from Malaria. The majority of these deaths occurred in poor countries with limited resources and access to medication. If wealthy countries that do not struggle with Malaria prematurely start a hording fest for these drugs on the not yet proven hope that one "anedoctotal" study (Dr. Faucci's words) then many many more people will die from Malaria. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 10:11:56 GMT -5
Some oddities that I've observed. In Japan, they seem to have turned the corner yet, they never really shut down. It took a lot of international pressure to get them to delay the Olympics and they still had their annual cherry blossom festival. I would think that would be a Covid-19 hot spot because they have an extreme of aging population and over crowding of cities because of limited usable land. In Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country by a long shot, Covid-19 doesn't seem to be taking off there in spite of the fact that mosque attendance is up, not down. You're a little behind on Japan, unfortunately - their cases have started to go up exponentially in the last couple weeks. It is odd it took so long for that to start happening there. In better news, several European countries seem to have bent the curve downwards, and Austria has even announced they'll ease social distancing restrictions later this month. Hopefully that's where we'll be in a few weeks, though unfortunately I think it'll take longer in a lot of the South, where the governors really dragged their feet on putting the restrictions in in the first place. That's where national leadership would have helped. I haven't followed the specific counties recently all that closely so it's sad that Japan has retraced. I think if I had to pick a country that would be hit hard, it would be Japan. When a job title is train pusher, you have issues. Here in the Philippines, we had the lowest day since the mass testing arrived, hopefully that trend will continue. Generally, the lockdowns have been extended to April 19th. No guarantees after that either way. Locally, we are closing the island totally for a week with only 1 ferry on each side for emergency service (like ambulances) and food supply trucks. Even those won't be able to leave the pier, they will have to reload onto island trucks. That means most businesses will shut down, my bank for example, because there's a lot of workers which travel both ways. I'm not sure what they will do for the hospital workers but I'm pretty sure they have a plan there. So far still no cases on the island so, no complaints from me. I hope that it stays that way. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 10:36:49 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 10:41:32 GMT -5
I was curious so I looked up what malaria drugs I was given when I was a soldier in Vietnam. According to Google:
Mefloquine is a puzzling drug with an unusual history. It was discovered by the U.S. Army during the Vietnam war. The military realized that in many parts of the world, the malaria parasite was evolving resistance to a drug called chloroquine, which was the standard antimalaria drug of the time.
We took 2 pills, a large white one which we called "quinine" (likely slang) and a small red one that I don't remember what we called it. Neither pill seemed to cause issues as far as I could tell.
Malaria isn't an issue in the Philippines, dengue is.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 6, 2020 10:54:18 GMT -5
Just blows my mind how crazy this is for some of you, Democrats can do no wrong, Republicans are 100% the problem. Like omg that is crazy. Most of the hardest hit areas are Democrats states, who did half ass measures for weeks! Yet now we blame other states for doing the same thing! Our president wanted to shutdown the hardest hit areas because people were leaving and not staying inside, those Governor's said it would be declaring war on them! In Massachusetts we closed a few things, then kept most other things open for weeks! Heck a bunch of my friends that are plumbers are still working on new construction jobs. My hometown in Adams had to remove the Basketball rims because 40 plus people were playing last week. My wife and her co-workers had to form a walkout to get them to close the hair salon!
This is an American issue, we value rights way too much right now and can't stop playing politics!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 11:04:13 GMT -5
Off topic but a memory.
In Vietnam, I was a LRRP commander. (long range reconnaissance patrol). When we went into the field, there was pretty much no way to carry all the equipment, food & water you would need. Water was the out. We only carried 1 canteen. There's also pretty much no way to resupply troops in camouflage in the jungle without compromising their position. Rivers were easy places to be spotted so we refilled in the swamps. We carried what we called iodine pills which disinfected it but it was still nasty tasting and looking. My mom to the rescue, I had her send me root beer Kool Aid. When the manager at Donelan's Super Market in Acton noticed, he asked her what it was for. Donelan's started sending my unit a case of root beer Kool Aid a week. LOL, most of the guys drank regular water but that was appreciated.
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Post by manfred on Apr 6, 2020 11:07:24 GMT -5
Just blows my mind how crazy this is for some of you, Democrats can do no wrong, Republicans are 100% the problem. Like omg that is crazy. Most of the hardest hit areas are Democrats states, who did half ass measures for weeks! Yet now we blame other states for doing the same thing! Our president wanted to shutdown the hardest hit areas because people were leaving and not staying inside, those Governor's said it would be declaring war on them! In Massachusetts we closed a few things, then kept most other things open for weeks! Heck a bunch of my friends that are plumbers are still working on new construction jobs. My hometown in Adams had to remove the Basketball rims because 40 plus people were playing last week. My wife and her co-workers had to form a walkout to get them to close the hair salon! This is an American issue, we value rights way too much right now and can't stop playing politics! Yes, it is hitting “Democrat” states first, because those are the dense population centers. It is interesting that all one gas to do is look at footage and social media going back to January to find Kamala Harris (CA), Chris Murphy (CT), and Joe Biden, amongst others, decrying this administration’s lack of seriousness. At the same time, we find Donald Trump saying it is not as bad as the flu, there are only 15 cases and soon it will be zero, etc. As I said before, this IS political. Republicans have created a party that ignores expertise and science from climate change to Coronavirus. How often do you see Democrats saying things like Coronavirus is God punishing us (Franklin Graham, come on down)? Or insisting on keeping beaches open, even over-ruling local officials (hey there, Brian Kemp)? Saying they know medicine rven though they aren’t doctors (Thanks Peter Navarro)? Keep schools open even when students are testing positive (Jerry Falwell Jr)? I am not saying all Republicans are anti-science morons, but I am saying if you are an anti-science moron, you are very likely to be a Republican. |
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Post by incandenza on Apr 6, 2020 11:13:03 GMT -5
Just blows my mind how crazy this is for some of you, Democrats can do no wrong, Republicans are 100% the problem. Like omg that is crazy. Most of the hardest hit areas are Democrats states, who did half ass measures for weeks! Yet now we blame other states for doing the same thing! Our president wanted to shutdown the hardest hit areas because people were leaving and not staying inside, those Governor's said it would be declaring war on them! In Massachusetts we closed a few things, then kept most other things open for weeks! Heck a bunch of my friends that are plumbers are still working on new construction jobs. My hometown in Adams had to remove the Basketball rims because 40 plus people were playing last week. My wife and her co-workers had to form a walkout to get them to close the hair salon! This is an American issue, we value rights way too much right now and can't stop playing politics! Straw man. No one said Democrats have been flawless. (New York's mayor De Blasio, for one, has been a trainwreck.) And some Republican leaders have done well, like the governor of Ohio. But none of that changes the fact that Trump has done horribly. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 6, 2020 11:19:18 GMT -5
Just blows my mind how crazy this is for some of you, Democrats can do no wrong, Republicans are 100% the problem. Like omg that is crazy. Most of the hardest hit areas are Democrats states, who did half ass measures for weeks! Yet now we blame other states for doing the same thing! Our president wanted to shutdown the hardest hit areas because people were leaving and not staying inside, those Governor's said it would be declaring war on them! In Massachusetts we closed a few things, then kept most other things open for weeks! Heck a bunch of my friends that are plumbers are still working on new construction jobs. My hometown in Adams had to remove the Basketball rims because 40 plus people were playing last week. My wife and her co-workers had to form a walkout to get them to close the hair salon! This is an American issue, we value rights way too much right now and can't stop playing politics! Straw man. No one said Democrats have been flawless. (New York's mayor De Blasio, for one, has been a trainwreck.) And some Republican leaders have done well, like the governor of Ohio. But none of that changes the fact that Trump has done horribly. This is true: DeWine has been excellent. De Blasio has been... De Blasio. That said, again, if you were making columns, the “nice” column would be mostly blue, and the “naughty” column mostly red. Serious question for people voting Trump 2020: when he says, over three tears into his presidency, that government is broken and this is not his fault, isn’t that conceding that his time in office has accomplished nothing? With under a year left in his first term, when does the state of the government become his responsibility? |
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Post by sdiaz1 on Apr 6, 2020 11:27:18 GMT -5
Just blows my mind how crazy this is for some of you, Democrats can do no wrong, Republicans are 100% the problem. Like omg that is crazy. Most of the hardest hit areas are Democrats states, who did half ass measures for weeks! Yet now we blame other states for doing the same thing! Our president wanted to shutdown the hardest hit areas because people were leaving and not staying inside, those Governor's said it would be declaring war on them! In Massachusetts we closed a few things, then kept most other things open for weeks! Heck a bunch of my friends that are plumbers are still working on new construction jobs. My hometown in Adams had to remove the Basketball rims because 40 plus people were playing last week. My wife and her co-workers had to form a walkout to get them to close the hair salon! This is an American issue, we value rights way too much right now and can't stop playing politics! I agree with your sentiment that trying to politicize the moment is counterproductive as we all need to be working together to help those vulnerable, flatten the curve to allow our healthcare workers a chance to breathe and make joint sacrifices to overcome this crisis. However, I want to know one thing..... You do realize that Governor Baker is a Republican right? I don't live in a MA, so I am not to knowledgeable about the state's response and won't comment. I however live in Maryland, another blue state with a Republican Governor who I may not have voted for but believe has done an admirable job facing this crisis. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 11:38:31 GMT -5
I've got it on good authority that this whole mess started in a Chinese laundry while cleaning bed sheets for Trump Towers. When that news gets out, he's doomed.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 6, 2020 11:39:07 GMT -5
Just blows my mind how crazy this is for some of you, Democrats can do no wrong, Republicans are 100% the problem. Like omg that is crazy. Most of the hardest hit areas are Democrats states, who did half ass measures for weeks! Yet now we blame other states for doing the same thing! Our president wanted to shutdown the hardest hit areas because people were leaving and not staying inside, those Governor's said it would be declaring war on them! In Massachusetts we closed a few things, then kept most other things open for weeks! Heck a bunch of my friends that are plumbers are still working on new construction jobs. My hometown in Adams had to remove the Basketball rims because 40 plus people were playing last week. My wife and her co-workers had to form a walkout to get them to close the hair salon! This is an American issue, we value rights way too much right now and can't stop playing politics! While I agree on a larger scale. Few things: 1. California is doing impressively well. 2. Boston and NY are hotspots for international travel, same with Seattle. 3. Charlie Baker is republican. 4. The Louisiana governor says his state has the fastest growth rate (that was late March and can't tell if that's still true or not) But, I still agree that this is way more political than it should be. The primary problem are thick-headed people who can't grasp the situation or loser libertarians (sorry, this I will get political about) who are so frightened over state encroachment that they would rather people die than admit a temporary shutdown is the only way to deal with this crisis right now. I think Trump could have been better, I think the Democrats could have been better, I think Italy could have been better, and China absolutely should have been better. Everyone got it wrong and everyone is suffering for it. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 6, 2020 12:12:32 GMT -5
Fair question.
If the USA statistically does better than other countries, does Trump get credit? He won't here with the snowflakes.
I also doubt it with the do nothing Democrats but the voters will know. So far, the USA is near the bottom in terms of death rate for countries with a lot of cases If that continues everything will be red.
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