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Post by swingingbunt on Apr 7, 2020 17:13:07 GMT -5
I voted both Weld (champion) and Baker, but I've voted presidential blue the past 5 or 6 elections. I would've voted HW Bush in '88 if I'd been old enough though. Might've gone McCain if he didn't pick a total nut in Palin. Wow, was that a huge mistake. MA response has been pretty good. HC workers are in rough shape though. Lots of horror stories from former colleagues. No gear, no prep, no protections, cut pay. Most are federal issues. Mike De Wine in Ohio is a R governor in a battleground state and he's been awesome. He was way out in front relative to his peers and the feds, tbh. Our government is behaving like this is a confederacy and not a federal republic. Talk about weak, ineffectual central govt. It's a world issue, every Country doesn't have enough year! Heck China didn't when this started getting help from many Countries including us and they make most of the stuff. The president closed travel from China and the Democrats went off on him, calling him all sorts of things. You can't have effective Government when both sides care more about politics than the people of this Country! This just isn't true. Trump never banned travel from China . He banned Chinese nationals. You can fly to and from China today. Do you not see the important difference between banning all travel, and only travel by a group of people? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 7, 2020 18:32:42 GMT -5
It's a world issue, every Country doesn't have enough year! Heck China didn't when this started getting help from many Countries including us and they make most of the stuff. The president closed travel from China and the Democrats went off on him, calling him all sorts of things. You can't have effective Government when both sides care more about politics than the people of this Country! This just isn't true. Trump never banned travel from China . He banned Chinese nationals. You can fly to and from China today. Do you not see the important difference between banning all travel, and only travel by a group of people? No he didn't! I find it so funny that the same people that pick on Trump's actions and words then twist them! He banned foreign nationals that had visited China in the last 14 days. Umm yeah, but you don't want Americans to have the ability to come home? They had to take steps, makes perfect sense to me. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 7, 2020 18:33:42 GMT -5
Not all his fault. Another straw man to deflect. But look at the numbers in Georgia and Florida, and watch their deaths pile up. Is it partly because obesity numbers in the South are obscene? Perhaps. Pot? Not there (though, again, the potheads of Cali are doing great). Maybe it’s because DeSantis is a grade-A moron? Or because Kemp is overriding local officials to keep beaches open (why in early April? God knows). Polls may not matter in six months when large swathes of Trump’s base gave committed collective suicide at their GA and FLA beaches or their Louisiana megachurches. It was a joke! |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 7, 2020 19:13:43 GMT -5
This just isn't true. Trump never banned travel from China . He banned Chinese nationals. You can fly to and from China today. Do you not see the important difference between banning all travel, and only travel by a group of people? No he didn't! I find it so funny that the same people that pick on Trump's actions and words then twist them! He banned foreign nationals that had visited China in the last 14 days. Umm yeah, but you don't want Americans to have the ability to come home? They had to take steps, makes perfect sense to me. We still have 99 foreign nationals trying to get home that are holed up in a city, They can't get home because their countries have closed entry or there are no connecting routes home. None of them are known to have Covid-19. Another of my neighbors owns a Harley shop/pot farm in Michigan. He just made it out before things started closing down. Every day the US Embassy here sends out a small list of "sleeper flights" but those are all in country and are limited to people returning home from other areas of the country. They also post a short list of international flights. Here's an example email posting: United States Embassy Manila, Philippines
Health Alert - U.S. Embassy Manila (April 7, 2020)
Location: The Philippines
Event:
International Flights:
International commercial flight options currently exist in the Philippines. U.S. citizens who wish to return to the United States should make commercial arrangements as soon as possible unless they are prepared to remain abroad for an indefinite period. The U.S. government does not currently anticipate arranging repatriation flights in the Philippines at this time.
International Flights Departing from Manila Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) on April 7:
The Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) updates their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/MIAAGovPh/) with scheduled international flights. Listed below are the scheduled departures for April 7.
JL 742 MNL-NRT ETD 1425
QR 933 MNL-DOH ETD 1835
KE 624 MNL-ICN ETD 2330
OZ 704 MNL-ICN ETD 2345
These flight schedules may change at any given time. Please contact your airline for confirmation.
Visit the MIAA Facebook and Twitter pages for an updated schedule of international flights.
www.facebook.com/MIAAGovPh/
twitter.com/MIAAGovPH
Philippine Airlines (PAL) Announces Plans for Partial Resumption of Flights:
PAL will not operate any international routes for the rest of April 2020.
PAL plans to operate a reduced number of international flights to the U.S. and other destinations in May.
PAL is readying plans to resume partial domestic operations at some period between April 15 and May 31.
Visit the PAL webpage www.philippineairlines.com/en/aboutus/newsandevents?c=1 to view the advisory.
Consider your plan to shelter in place: While the U.S. Embassy attempts to address these continuing challenges in assisting U.S. citizens, please make necessary preparations if staying in the Philippines during the quarantine period. Please comply with local quarantine requirements and strictly follow local authorities.
Actions to Take:
Contact the airlines and contacts directly for reservations and updated information.
Check with your airlines, cruise lines, or travel operators regarding any updated information about your travel plans and/or restrictions.
Monitor local news for updates.
Consult the CDC website for the most up-to-date information.
For the most recent information on what you can do to reduce your risk of contracting COVID-19, please see the CDC’s latest recommendations.
Visit the COVID-19 crisis page on travel.state.gov for the latest information.
Visit our Embassy webpage on COVID-19 here for information on conditions in the Philippines.
Visit the Department of Homeland Security’s website on the latest travel restrictions to the U.S.
Consult resources below as necessary:
· Philippine Department of Health (DOH)
· Philippine Department of Health (FAQs)
· Philippine Bureau of Immigration (BI)
· Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA)
· Philippine Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB)
· Philippine Maritime Industry Authority
· Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs
· Philippine Department Of Interior and Local Government
· Philippine Department of Tourism
· COVID-19 crisis page on travel.state.gov
· CDC page on COVID-19
· Philippines Travel Advisory
· Philippines Country Information Page
Assistance:
U.S. Embassy in the Philippines
1201 Roxas Boulevard
+63(2) 5301-2000, from 7:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Monday through Friday
After-hours emergency number for U.S. citizens is +(63)(2) 5301-2000.
State Department–Consular Affairs 888-407-4747 or 202-501-4444.
State Department’s travel website for the Worldwide Caution, Travel Advisories, Alerts, and the Philippines Country Specific Information.
Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Apr 7, 2020 20:32:06 GMT -5
Trump banned Chinese Nationals only, Americans were allowed home and non Chinese were also allowed in. I can't find the report now butfor weeks there were over 80 flights a day from Beijing landing in LA, SF and NYC. Also prior to the ban in late January over 300,000 Chinese nationals had entered the US. Trump has denied, delayed, lied, refused to take any responsibility (his words no less), lied, promoted conspiracy theories, put dim bulb Jared in charge, ignored warnings...the list goes on. If I didn't believe he was too stupid I would think he was a foreign agent deliberately trying to undermine the country. But he's just a very small, greedy, deranged narcissist who happens to have excellent feral instincts and is an all time good con man who will play anyone for a sucker.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 7, 2020 21:18:51 GMT -5
United States Embassy Manila, Philippines Health Alert - U.S. Embassy Manila (April 8, 2020) Location: The Philippines Event: The Philippine Government Extends Enhanced Community Quarantine (ECQ) Until April 30: The Philippine Government encourages the public to follow the government's stay-at-home orders as it implements the extension of the Luzon-wide ECQ until April 30. Consider your plan to shelter in place: We strongly encourage U.S. citizens to make necessary preparations if staying in the Philippines during the quarantine period. Please comply with local quarantine requirements and strictly follow local authorities. According to the Philippine Inter-Agency Task Force (IATF): The wearing of face masks is mandatory in areas placed under ECQ. Anyone in the ECQ leaving their home is required to wear a face mask. According to the IATF, face masks may be store-bought or improvised, such as a handkerchief or small towel covering the nose and mouth. For information on Philippine visas and the Bureau of Immigration, hotels, and car rentals, please visit this page: ph.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/Actions to Take: Contact the airlines and contacts directly for reservations and updated information. Check with your airlines, cruise lines, or travel operators regarding any updated information about your travel plans and/or restrictions. Monitor local news for updates. Consult the CDC website for the most up-to-date information. For the most recent information on what you can do to reduce your risk of contracting COVID-19, please see the CDC’s latest recommendations. Visit the COVID-19 crisis page on travel.state.gov for the latest information. Visit our Embassy webpage on COVID-19 here for information on conditions in the Philippines. Visit the Department of Homeland Security’s website on the latest travel restrictions to the U.S. Consult resources below as necessary: · Philippine Department of Health (DOH) · Philippine Department of Health (FAQs) · Philippine Bureau of Immigration (BI) · Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) · Philippine Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) · Philippine Maritime Industry Authority · Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs · Philippine Department Of Interior and Local Government · Philippine Department of Tourism · COVID-19 crisis page on travel.state.gov · CDC page on COVID-19 · Philippines Travel Advisory · Philippines Country Information Page Assistance: U.S. Embassy in the Philippines 1201 Roxas Boulevard +63(2) 5301-2000, from 7:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Monday through Friday After-hours emergency number for U.S. citizens is +(63)(2) 5301-2000. State Department–Consular Affairs 888-407-4747 or 202-501-4444. State Department’s travel website for the Worldwide Caution, Travel Advisories, Alerts, and the Philippines Country Specific Information. Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts. Follow us on Twitter and Facebook. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 7, 2020 21:34:14 GMT -5
From the sources I follow (lots worldwide), it appears that the Johns Hopkins University stats are the most quoted by a long shot. Even over WHO stats.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 0:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 0:32:53 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 0:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 8, 2020 8:32:05 GMT -5
After arguing and squabbling, yes, he delivered. He also requested all governors to not critique him over his handling of the response. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Apr 8, 2020 8:42:01 GMT -5
There is no pandemic. Corona virus has a lower death rate than any flu. There are more people who have recovered from it than now have it. The media, government and big pharma has gone insane in their crying wolf. If you are between the ages of 10 and 50 and are not immunocompromised , you have a 0.2% chance of dying if you get it and that number is probably high. Also, please don't get the vaccine, which is one of the new ones that permanently alter your DNA and is not going to be tested nearly enough before it's released. Once people get bored with the nonstop coverage, the news will let it go and it'll just be the normal viral cold that it is. This take aged worse than my "trade Mookie in a package for Stanton" one, in literally 1/1000th of the time. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 8, 2020 8:56:51 GMT -5
Look up the definition of propaganda and then watch what Trump and his cronies at Fox were saying for almost 2 months until they had no choice but to change their tune. Now think to yourselves whether these are the people you should be listening to and following.
Yup, this is the voice of reason.
Do you believe Trump when he says he didn't see his advisors memos and blames everyone else? Do you believe the Gov of Georgia when he says he didn't know asymptomatic carriers could infect other people? Aren't you sick of being lied to?
I can't be any more reasonable, can you? And please, no more debunked conspiracy theories.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 8, 2020 8:58:51 GMT -5
There is no pandemic. Corona virus has a lower death rate than any flu. There are more people who have recovered from it than now have it. The media, government and big pharma has gone insane in their crying wolf. If you are between the ages of 10 and 50 and are not immunocompromised , you have a 0.2% chance of dying if you get it and that number is probably high. Also, please don't get the vaccine, which is one of the new ones that permanently alter your DNA and is not going to be tested nearly enough before it's released. Once people get bored with the nonstop coverage, the news will let it go and it'll just be the normal viral cold that it is. This take aged worse than my "trade Mookie in a package for Stanton" one, in literally 1/1000th of the time. Jimed, where oh where have you gone? And I ponder where you got your opinion from. Could it be you watch Fox news and trust your President? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 9:24:02 GMT -5
The next five years are going to be entertaining.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Apr 8, 2020 9:46:16 GMT -5
The next five years are going to be entertaining. Honest question: how would you grade Trump's handling of this whole thing? You criticize liberals for never giving him credit anything, but I've never once seen you criticize Trump for anything. Is that just because you think you need to be a counterweight to the people on the left who post here, or do you actually think he's done a great job? |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 9:47:36 GMT -5
The next five years are going to be entertaining. It is Trump’s biggest season of the Apprentice: as the US surrenders its place in the global order, what illiberal power will be the next Hegemon? Contestants include China, Russia, and ISIS. Tune in and watch the exciting conclusion to life as we know it! |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 8, 2020 10:08:37 GMT -5
The next five years are going to be entertaining. It is Trump’s biggest season of the Apprentice: as the US surrenders its place in the global order, what illiberal power will be the next Hegemon? Contestants include China, Russia, and ISIS. Tune in and watch the exciting conclusion to life as we know it! I highly doubt the US isn't the global leader after this and not for the next 5 years. If one thing Trump did get right was putting the pressure on China, especially when their economic growth halted. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 10:16:45 GMT -5
It is Trump’s biggest season of the Apprentice: as the US surrenders its place in the global order, what illiberal power will be the next Hegemon? Contestants include China, Russia, and ISIS. Tune in and watch the exciting conclusion to life as we know it! I highly doubt the US isn't the global leader after this and not for the next 5 years. If one thing Trump did get right was putting the pressure on China, especially when their economic growth halted. Well, we have fallen far behind where we were even 4 years ago. We have far less moral authority, and we have not invested like China around the world. Anyone who thinks Trump’s foreign policy has gone well is not paying attention. |
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Post by incandenza on Apr 8, 2020 10:23:52 GMT -5
The next five years are going to be entertaining. See, here's a psychological disposition that I wish I understood better: why is making others unhappy such a strong motivator for Trump supporters, and conservatives generally? Like, in my ideal world my political opponents don't feel bad about losing. I just want them to get health coverage and have less air pollution. Squishy liberal that I am, I fantasize about their being won over to a vision of solidarity; I don't have fantasies about how fun it would be to make them mad. (Okay, I do sort of want billionaires to suffer, but that's very different from Trump supporters generally.) If you support Republican policies like corporate tax cuts, allowing more pollution, and eliminating protections for the uninsured, then fair enough. But what is the satisfaction in simply frustrating others? |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 8, 2020 10:36:11 GMT -5
I highly doubt the US isn't the global leader after this and not for the next 5 years. If one thing Trump did get right was putting the pressure on China, especially when their economic growth halted. Well, we have fallen far behind where we were even 4 years ago. We have far less moral authority, and we have not invested like China around the world. Anyone who thinks Trump’s foreign policy has gone well is not paying attention. Moral authority doesn't mean much to me when the opposition is Russia and especially China. We could be better with our allies, for sure, but overall that's not a huge negative for me. China may have over-invested in infrastructure around the world which is why their economy started taking a hit since 2014. ideas.repec.org/p/ces/ceswps/_7642.htmlasia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-pays-dearly-for-overinvestment(I have no idea about these sources) |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 10:41:40 GMT -5
The next five years are going to be entertaining. Honest question: how would you grade Trump's handling of this whole thing? You criticize liberals for never giving him credit anything, but I've never once seen you criticize Trump for anything. Is that just because you think you need to be a counterweight to the people on the left who post here, or do you actually think he's done a great job? Honest answer, marginal although I do think it's first the states responsibility and the Federal should only be plan B. Personally, I'm a moderate. I tend to vote right when I think the country has swung too far left, left when I think it's too far right. It's less productive but I prefer the Senate and the Presidency to be two different parties. The House really doesn't matter, they have historically been pencil pushers trying to help their own districts. I have no problem with that but they really don't have much power, just lotsa hot air. For Trump, to me, he was the lesser of two weevils. Hillary following Obama would have been a disaster. Trump is a pompous ahole but that's not important either way. For personality, the politician I would most enjoy throwing down a few brewskis with is Bill Clinton. Bill and Hillary seem like an odd couple which somewhat explains Monica but Monica isn't important to me either. As far as who I will vote for, that depends on the health of two octogenarian Supreme Court judges who are progressives. Abortion is my personal biggest issue. We are one judge away from overturning Roe/Wade. My vote will be solely based on that and Trump is anti-abortion. On the other hand, if one of those two judges are replaced with a constitutionalist judge, I might feel different but it won't be for a socialist (Sanders) or left extremist (Warren). I was hoping Bloomberg would come out on top but that seems unlikely. LOL, for the Trump haters I'm having fun pulling their string. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 10:47:02 GMT -5
Well, we have fallen far behind where we were even 4 years ago. We have far less moral authority, and we have not invested like China around the world. Anyone who thinks Trump’s foreign policy has gone well is not paying attention. Moral authority doesn't mean much to me when the opposition is Russia and especially China. We could be better with our allies, for sure, but overall that's not a huge negative for me. China may have over-invested in infrastructure around the world which is why their economy started taking a hit since 2014. ideas.repec.org/p/ces/ceswps/_7642.htmlasia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-pays-dearly-for-overinvestment(I have no idea about these sources) Yes moral authority doesn’t mean much to many in America who then turn around and try to impose their morals on people by banning same-sex marriage, abortion, etc. Knowing people at Foggy Bottom, I can tell you moral authority was once one of our strongest tools for accomplishing good things without bludgeoning countries with economic or military hammers. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 10:53:11 GMT -5
Honest question: how would you grade Trump's handling of this whole thing? You criticize liberals for never giving him credit anything, but I've never once seen you criticize Trump for anything. Is that just because you think you need to be a counterweight to the people on the left who post here, or do you actually think he's done a great job? Honest answer, marginal although I do think it's first the states responsibility and the Federal should only be plan B. Personally, I'm a moderate. I tend to vote right when I think the country has swung too far left, left when I think it's too far right. It's less productive but I prefer the Senate and the Presidency to be two different parties. The House really doesn't matter, they have historically been pencil pushers trying to help their own districts. I have no problem with that but they really don't have much power, just lotsa hot air. For Trump, to me, he was the lesser of two weevils. Hillary following Obama would have been a disaster. Trump is a pompous ahole but that's not important either way. For personality, the politician I would most enjoy throwing down a few brewskis with is Bill Clinton. Bill and Hillary seem like an odd couple which somewhat explains Monica but Monica isn't important to me either. As far as who I will vote for, that depends on the health of two octogenarian Supreme Court judges who are progressives. Abortion is my personal biggest issue. We are one judge away from overturning Roe/Wade. My vote will be solely based on that and Trump is anti-abortion. On the other hand, if one of those two judges are replaced with a constitutionalist judge, I might feel different but it won't be for a socialist (Sanders) or left extremist (Warren). I was hoping Bloomberg would come out on top but that seems unlikely. LOL, for the Trump haters I'm having fun pulling their string. Umm.... yeah. The House has no power except that Article I, section 7 of the Constitution gives it the power of the purse. The Senate is able to amend, but not originate taxes etc. And the Speaker is the #3 person in government. So this seems like a pretty big misreading of the government. Otherwise, this is silly. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 8, 2020 11:08:50 GMT -5
Yes moral authority doesn’t mean much to many in America who then turn around and try to impose their morals on people by banning same-sex marriage, abortion, etc. Knowing people at Foggy Bottom, I can tell you moral authority was once one of our strongest tools for accomplishing good things without bludgeoning countries with economic or military hammers. When was that? America has been an imperialist nation since WW2. Obama authorized drone strikes in Yemen. Bush invaded both Iraq and Afghanistan. George H. Bush went to war with Iraq over its invasion of Kuwait on pressure from our Saudi allies. Reagan helped Iraq topple a Democratic state in Iran because UK was worried about them nationalizing their oil fields. The Vietnam War lasted through Nov 1, 1955 – Apr 30, 1975 under presidents: Dwight D. Eisenhower John F. Kennedy Lyndon B. Johnson Richard Nixon Gerald Ford Truman and Eisenhower were both presidents during the Korean war. That's not to mention the countless countries we've been involved with without much direct confrontation like Libya and Venezuela. |
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