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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 11:28:06 GMT -5
Honest answer, marginal although I do think it's first the states responsibility and the Federal should only be plan B. Personally, I'm a moderate. I tend to vote right when I think the country has swung too far left, left when I think it's too far right. It's less productive but I prefer the Senate and the Presidency to be two different parties. The House really doesn't matter, they have historically been pencil pushers trying to help their own districts. I have no problem with that but they really don't have much power, just lotsa hot air. For Trump, to me, he was the lesser of two weevils. Hillary following Obama would have been a disaster. Trump is a pompous ahole but that's not important either way. For personality, the politician I would most enjoy throwing down a few brewskis with is Bill Clinton. Bill and Hillary seem like an odd couple which somewhat explains Monica but Monica isn't important to me either. As far as who I will vote for, that depends on the health of two octogenarian Supreme Court judges who are progressives. Abortion is my personal biggest issue. We are one judge away from overturning Roe/Wade. My vote will be solely based on that and Trump is anti-abortion. On the other hand, if one of those two judges are replaced with a constitutionalist judge, I might feel different but it won't be for a socialist (Sanders) or left extremist (Warren). I was hoping Bloomberg would come out on top but that seems unlikely. LOL, for the Trump haters I'm having fun pulling their string. Umm.... yeah. The House has no power except that Article I, section 7 of the Constitution gives it the power of the purse. The Senate is able to amend, but not originate taxes etc. And the Speaker is the #3 person in government. So this seems like a pretty big misreading of the government. Otherwise, this is silly. Sorry, that's what I meant by pencil pushers. I should have used the term bean counters. There's nothing the house can pass that doesn't require the approval of the Senate. The Senators are the power, not the house. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 8, 2020 11:45:52 GMT -5
Yes moral authority doesn’t mean much to many in America who then turn around and try to impose their morals on people by banning same-sex marriage, abortion, etc. Knowing people at Foggy Bottom, I can tell you moral authority was once one of our strongest tools for accomplishing good things without bludgeoning countries with economic or military hammers. When was that? America has been an imperialist nation since WW2. Obama authorized drone strikes in Yemen. Bush invaded both Iraq and Afghanistan. George H. Bush went to war with Iraq over its invasion of Kuwait on pressure from our Saudi allies. Reagan helped Iraq topple a Democratic state in Iran because UK was worried about them nationalizing their oil fields. The Vietnam War lasted through Nov 1, 1955 – Apr 30, 1975 under presidents: Dwight D. Eisenhower John F. Kennedy Lyndon B. Johnson Richard Nixon Gerald Ford Truman and Eisenhower were both presidents during the Korean war. That's not to mention the countless counties we've been involved with without much direct confrontation like Libya and Venezuela. Your point is valid, however, America (as the leader of Western societies - NATO) was part of an ideological battle, vis-a-vis, communism for much of the post WW years (until Glasnost and the fall of the Soviet Union). There were perceived real life consequences for having a large portion of the world fall under communist rule and it wasn't just America that was concerned, and it took a terrible toll on the whole world The role of oil (energy) has prostituted any notion of real alliances in the Middle East. Although it is worth mentioning, the Middle East has been at war for religious reason with each other for a thousand years. If you look at the message of America and it's meaning to the millions of immigrants that sacrificed everything to start a new life here, often as an escape from imperial type governments you speak of, well I think that is where America for years had the high ground. No institution is perfect and that holds true for this great country. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 11:49:31 GMT -5
Bernie Sanders dropped out of the US Presidential race. Looks like it's full steam ahead for Sleepy Joe.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 12:07:29 GMT -5
Bernie Sanders dropped out of the US Presidential race. Looks like it's full steam ahead for Sleepy Joe. That is President-elect Sleepy Joe to you. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 12:16:49 GMT -5
I’ll sign up for 4 years of sleepiness right now. Then reset the candidate bases for 2024 when both parties have to primary.
Just give me a Democrat house and a Republican Senate for these 4 years. Or Vice Versa.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 12:40:14 GMT -5
I’ll sign up for 4 years of sleepiness right now. Then reset the candidate bases for 2024 when both parties have to primary. Just give me a Democrat house and a Republican Senate for these 4 years. Or Vice Versa. Agree, except I want straight Dem to speed the fixes of all the damage done. The idea of Mitch McConnell spending four years blocking judges and other appointees after speeding through record numbers of unqualified lifetime appointments is not appealing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2020 15:45:30 GMT -5
Trump banned Chinese Nationals only, Americans were allowed home and non Chinese were also allowed in. I can't find the report now butfor weeks there were over 80 flights a day from Beijing landing in LA, SF and NYC. Also prior to the ban in late January over 300,000 Chinese nationals had entered the US. Trump has denied, delayed, lied, refused to take any responsibility (his words no less), lied, promoted conspiracy theories, put dim bulb Jared in charge, ignored warnings...the list goes on. If I didn't believe he was too stupid I would think he was a foreign agent deliberately trying to undermine the country. But he's just a very small, greedy, deranged narcissist who happens to have excellent feral instincts and is an all time good con man who will play anyone for a sucker. The first ban was any non US people who visited China in the last 14 days. I provided a source from CNN not some guy in his house! Where is your source? If Trump is so horrible why are we passing along lies? Like it was Chinese or Jared was in charge? Mike Pence is in charge! You are litterally doing what you are bitching about Trump doing. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 15:56:26 GMT -5
Trump banned Chinese Nationals only, Americans were allowed home and non Chinese were also allowed in. I can't find the report now butfor weeks there were over 80 flights a day from Beijing landing in LA, SF and NYC. Also prior to the ban in late January over 300,000 Chinese nationals had entered the US. Trump has denied, delayed, lied, refused to take any responsibility (his words no less), lied, promoted conspiracy theories, put dim bulb Jared in charge, ignored warnings...the list goes on. If I didn't believe he was too stupid I would think he was a foreign agent deliberately trying to undermine the country. But he's just a very small, greedy, deranged narcissist who happens to have excellent feral instincts and is an all time good con man who will play anyone for a sucker. The first ban was any non US people who visited China in the last 14 days. I provided a source from CNN not some guy in his house! Where is your source? If Trump is so horrible why are we passing along lies? Like it was Chinese or Jared was in charge? Mike Pence is in charge! You are litterally doing what you are bitching about Trump doing. The truth is, people are still coming. True, not in massive numbers, but it is interesting to see the cities that are getting the most of these visits or returns. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 17:17:05 GMT -5
I’ll sign up for 4 years of sleepiness right now. Then reset the candidate bases for 2024 when both parties have to primary. Just give me a Democrat house and a Republican Senate for these 4 years. Or Vice Versa. Agree, except I want straight Dem to speed the fixes of all the damage done. The idea of Mitch McConnell spending four years blocking judges and other appointees after speeding through record numbers of unqualified lifetime appointments is not appealing. I’m not in board with what feels like the current Democrat agenda and I don’t mind our Government working more slowly. That’s how it’s supposed to be and for reason. I realize Biden isn’t for a single payer system but I’m worried he will be pushed into one. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2020 17:22:02 GMT -5
The first ban was any non US people who visited China in the last 14 days. I provided a source from CNN not some guy in his house! Where is your source? If Trump is so horrible why are we passing along lies? Like it was Chinese or Jared was in charge? Mike Pence is in charge! You are litterally doing what you are bitching about Trump doing. The truth is, people are still coming. True, not in massive numbers, but it is interesting to see the cities that are getting the most of these visits or returns. Yeah Americans coming home and they had to do 14 days of qurantine after arriving. Is that a problem for you? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2020 17:23:44 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 8, 2020 17:35:31 GMT -5
Only if Biden can personally grope the women owners. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 17:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 17:47:09 GMT -5
Only if Biden can personally grope the women owners. I get it! Because Republicans don’t care how despicable their President is, but they think it is hysterical that Democrats have standards! Funny one. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 17:51:06 GMT -5
Actually, it makes a ton of sense. First, African-Americans are being disproportionately impacted by Coronavirus. Second, the hotspots thus far are diverse major cities. So there is a higher likelihood of need for minority-owned business. Counter question: should states that have not shut down get any money? Why? Their businesses aren’t being impacted. They aren’t helping the cause. I’d far rather my tax dollars go to minority-owned businesses in Chicago than some business in Idaho where they are actively interfering with my well-being. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 17:53:52 GMT -5
Only if Biden can personally grope the women owners. I get it! Because Republicans don’t care how despicable their President is, but they think it is hysterical that Democrats have standards! Funny one. You do have to admit the different responses to Biden and Kavanaugh being accused is pretty startling, no? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 17:57:44 GMT -5
Actually, it makes a ton of sense. First, African-Americans are being disproportionately impacted by Coronavirus. Second, the hotspots thus far are diverse major cities. So there is a higher likelihood of need for minority-owned business. Counter question: should states that have not shut down get any money? Why? Their businesses aren’t being impacted. They aren’t helping the cause. I’d far rather my tax dollars go to minority-owned businesses in Chicago than some business in Idaho where they are actively interfering with my well-being. Businesses that aren’t severely impacted (i stop short on saying shutdown simply because it can be a blurry line and businesses that are scraping by need funds too) shouldn’t receive any money and people like my wife and I who are still getting our incomes shouldn’t get stimulus money even if we qualify for it. I can see some people getting it who are truly low income even if still working. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 17:58:21 GMT -5
I get it! Because Republicans don’t care how despicable their President is, but they think it is hysterical that Democrats have standards! Funny one. You do have to admit the different responses to Biden and Kavanaugh being accused is pretty startling, no? Well, Kavanaugh had a more recent record of bad behavior and credible (multiple) witnesses who testified under oath. If more comes forward on Biden, I’m all ears. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 18:00:50 GMT -5
Actually, it makes a ton of sense. First, African-Americans are being disproportionately impacted by Coronavirus. Second, the hotspots thus far are diverse major cities. So there is a higher likelihood of need for minority-owned business. Counter question: should states that have not shut down get any money? Why? Their businesses aren’t being impacted. They aren’t helping the cause. I’d far rather my tax dollars go to minority-owned businesses in Chicago than some business in Idaho where they are actively interfering with my well-being. Businesses that aren’t severely impacted (i stop short on saying shutdown simply because it can be a blurry line and businesses that are scraping by need funds too) shouldn’t receive any money and people like my wife and I who are still getting our incomes shouldn’t get stimulus money even if we qualify for it. I can see some people getting it who are truly low income even if still working. Naw, I think if your governor thinks this is a hoax or that government shouldn’t interfere in your life with stay-at-home orders, then government shouldn’t interfere with your business failing. Can’t have it both ways. If Coronavirus is not a big deal, then any business that fails in Iowa should suck it up. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 18:03:54 GMT -5
You do have to admit the different responses to Biden and Kavanaugh being accused is pretty startling, no? Well, Kavanaugh had a more recent record of bad behavior and credible (multiple) witnesses who testified under oath. If more comes forward on Biden, I’m all ears. Kavanaughs accusers were from high school and college - much older than Biden’s accuser and there were no corroborating witnesses. Anyone that was supposedly there didn’t even remember the parties. People jumped all over Blasey Ford’s accusation and started the “believe all women” mantra. Even Biden said you have to believe all women. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 18:05:15 GMT -5
Businesses that aren’t severely impacted (i stop short on saying shutdown simply because it can be a blurry line and businesses that are scraping by need funds too) shouldn’t receive any money and people like my wife and I who are still getting our incomes shouldn’t get stimulus money even if we qualify for it. I can see some people getting it who are truly low income even if still working. Naw, I think if your governor thinks this is a hoax or that government shouldn’t interfere in your life with stay-at-home orders, then government shouldn’t interfere with your business failing. Can’t have it both ways. If Coronavirus is not a big deal, then any business that fails in Iowa should suck it up. Then don’t take their taxes. Can’t have it both ways. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 18:06:21 GMT -5
Naw, I think if your governor thinks this is a hoax or that government shouldn’t interfere in your life with stay-at-home orders, then government shouldn’t interfere with your business failing. Can’t have it both ways. If Coronavirus is not a big deal, then any business that fails in Iowa should suck it up. Then don’t take their taxes. Can’t have it both ways. Been over this... these states already get back more than they put in. I’d be psyched to take you up on that deal. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 18:07:39 GMT -5
And when I was stopping short of saying shut down that was as much in reference to businesses in states with stay at home orders. Plenty of businesses that are allowed to operate at some capacity like say restaurants or tradesmen like Electricians are severely impacted but not “shutdown”. We should be helping those businesses too.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 18:09:41 GMT -5
And when I was stopping short of saying shut down that was as much in reference to businesses in states with stay at home orders. Plenty of businesses that are allowed to operate at some capacity like say restaurants or tradesmen like Electricians are severely impacted but not “shutdown”. We should be helping those businesses too. That’s fine. In states that are following the rules. But if, as Fauci said again, this comes back, a good reason for that is the people who think they are more important than their neighbors. I say a pox on them. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 18:22:12 GMT -5
And when I was stopping short of saying shut down that was as much in reference to businesses in states with stay at home orders. Plenty of businesses that are allowed to operate at some capacity like say restaurants or tradesmen like Electricians are severely impacted but not “shutdown”. We should be helping those businesses too. That’s fine. In states that are following the rules. But if, as Fauci said again, this comes back, a good reason for that is the people who think they are more important than their neighbors. I say a pox on them. It’s an interesting take - are you against foreign aid to citizens of a country where you don’t like that countries leadership? |
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