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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 18:23:42 GMT -5
That’s fine. In states that are following the rules. But if, as Fauci said again, this comes back, a good reason for that is the people who think they are more important than their neighbors. I say a pox on them. It’s an interesting take - are you against foreign aid to citizens of a country where you don’t like that countries leadership? Depends. Did they vote for him?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 18:27:28 GMT -5
It’s an interesting take - are you against foreign aid to citizens of a country where you don’t like that countries leadership? Depends. Did they vote for him? So you are going to punish all the Citizens of a State because of how an elected official responded during a crisis?
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 18:31:26 GMT -5
Depends. Did they vote for him? So you are going to punish all the Citizens of a State because of how an elected official responded during a crisis? Look, a state like Alabama, that votes again and again for Republicans who vote again and again to “shrink” government, cut people’s health care, take away welfare, eliminate emergency services etc. ought not have the shamelessness to turn around a whine when suddenly the disaster strikes home. I have little sympathy for someone who votes to cut benefits for others dealing with hardship but somehow sees his situation as an exception. Bootstraps!
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 18:34:18 GMT -5
So you are going to punish all the Citizens of a State because of how an elected official responded during a crisis? Look, a state like Alabama, that votes again and again for Republicans who vote again and again to “shrink” government, cut people’s health care, take away welfare, eliminate emergency services etc. ought not have the shamelessness to turn around a whine when suddenly the disaster strikes home. I have little sympathy for someone who votes to cut benefits for others dealing with hardship but somehow sees his situation as an exception. Bootstraps! Ok, so really you just think blue states should get money and this is your qualifier to use that isn’t strictly red versus blue state. Got it.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 18:36:54 GMT -5
Look, a state like Alabama, that votes again and again for Republicans who vote again and again to “shrink” government, cut people’s health care, take away welfare, eliminate emergency services etc. ought not have the shamelessness to turn around a whine when suddenly the disaster strikes home. I have little sympathy for someone who votes to cut benefits for others dealing with hardship but somehow sees his situation as an exception. Bootstraps! Ok, so really you just think blue states should get money and this is your qualifier to use that isn’t strictly red versus blue state. Got it. No, because not every red state has been irresponsible. DeWine has been great, and Ohio has done as good as one might hope in this situation, for example.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 18:42:27 GMT -5
Ok, so really you just think blue states should get money and this is your qualifier to use that isn’t strictly red versus blue state. Got it. No, because not every red state has been irresponsible. DeWine has been great, and Ohio has done as good as one might hope in this situation, for example. But all your reasons for punishing the people of Alabama were because they vote Republican. We help the people there for the same reason we help the people everywhere. They are Americans and yes this is a special situation. Even if you think there should be expanded programs permanently, you know this is a unique situation.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2020 18:47:15 GMT -5
Nothing I wrote is false, that is what the President ordered! You can't dispute that! BTW nice posting an article I can't read without a subscription.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 18:47:19 GMT -5
No, because not every red state has been irresponsible. DeWine has been great, and Ohio has done as good as one might hope in this situation, for example. But all your reasons for punishing the people of Alabama were because they vote Republican. We help the people there for the same reason we help the people everywhere. They are Americans and yes this is a special situation. Even if you think there should be expanded programs permanently, you know this is a unique situation. No, it is because states like SC, GA, LA, IA, and others are not following the recommendations. Hell, the rightwing legislature in KS just overruled their Dem governor who had shut down religious services of 10 or more. Well, then let God send them small business relief.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 18:48:05 GMT -5
Nothing I wrote is false, that is what the President ordered! You can't dispute that! BTW nice posting an article I can't read without a subscription. Says the same thing as the axios article I quoted above: Americans are barely being screened, much less quarantined.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2020 18:58:43 GMT -5
Actually, it makes a ton of sense. First, African-Americans are being disproportionately impacted by Coronavirus. Second, the hotspots thus far are diverse major cities. So there is a higher likelihood of need for minority-owned business. Counter question: should states that have not shut down get any money? Why? Their businesses aren’t being impacted. They aren’t helping the cause. I’d far rather my tax dollars go to minority-owned businesses in Chicago than some business in Idaho where they are actively interfering with my well-being. Umm everyone qualifies, the money was running out so they put in more money. There is zero need to say only certain people can get it. Doing that means some people that need it might not get it. The President has said he'll keep putting in more if it's needed! Well states that aren't shutdown, aren't laying people off so why would they qualify? At the same time certain fields regardless of state are having issues, look at oil companies for example. Yeah I think they should get it to keep people employed. Nevermind just because they aren't closed now, doesn't mean they won't be if cases rise. You get this is for small businesses right? You want to hurt them because you don't like their Governor's?
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 19:02:52 GMT -5
Actually, it makes a ton of sense. First, African-Americans are being disproportionately impacted by Coronavirus. Second, the hotspots thus far are diverse major cities. So there is a higher likelihood of need for minority-owned business. Counter question: should states that have not shut down get any money? Why? Their businesses aren’t being impacted. They aren’t helping the cause. I’d far rather my tax dollars go to minority-owned businesses in Chicago than some business in Idaho where they are actively interfering with my well-being. Umm everyone qualifies, the money was running out so they put in more money. There is zero need to say only certain people can get it. Doing that means some people that need it might not get it. The President has said he'll keep putting in more if it's needed! Well states that aren't shutdown, aren't laying people off so why would they qualify? At the same time certain fields regardless of state are having issues, look at oil companies for example. Yeah I think they should get it to keep people employed. Nevermind just because they aren't closed now, doesn't mean they won't be if cases rise. You get this is for small businesses right? You want to hurt them because you don't like their Governor's? Oil companies are a) not small businesses, and b) not victims of Coronavirus. They are “victims” of a price war between our friend Putin and OPEC.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 19:14:20 GMT -5
But all your reasons for punishing the people of Alabama were because they vote Republican. We help the people there for the same reason we help the people everywhere. They are Americans and yes this is a special situation. Even if you think there should be expanded programs permanently, you know this is a unique situation. No, it is because states like SC, GA, LA, IA, and others are not following the recommendations. Hell, the rightwing legislature in KS just overruled their Dem governor who had shut down religious services of 10 or more. Well, then let God send them small business relief. You realize that no one wins an election unanimously right? And I’m pretty sure no one was asking their Governor would you listen to recommendations from the Federal Government during a world pandemic during the last election. Your reasons feel like they are driven from a place of spite and despite being a Democrat who’s supposedly compassionate for those less fortunate, you want to stick it to the evil religious Republicans in these States. Even if it means the suffering of all the Democrats in those States. I just don’t understand how that aligns with what I’d guess to be your values. Then again I don’t know you so I probably shouldn’t assume.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 19:20:26 GMT -5
Umm everyone qualifies, the money was running out so they put in more money. There is zero need to say only certain people can get it. Doing that means some people that need it might not get it. The President has said he'll keep putting in more if it's needed! Well states that aren't shutdown, aren't laying people off so why would they qualify? At the same time certain fields regardless of state are having issues, look at oil companies for example. Yeah I think they should get it to keep people employed. Nevermind just because they aren't closed now, doesn't mean they won't be if cases rise. You get this is for small businesses right? You want to hurt them because you don't like their Governor's? Oil companies are a) not small businesses, and b) not victims of Coronavirus. They are “victims” of a price war between our friend Putin and OPEC. People are no longer measuring their mileage in miles per gallon. Now it's weeks per gallon. You don't think that has anything to do with it ? Cars is the obvious solution. Cars. Take away the cars from Alabama and we punish both at the same time. It's brilliant.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2020 19:21:16 GMT -5
Nothing I wrote is false, that is what the President ordered! You can't dispute that! BTW nice posting an article I can't read without a subscription. Says the same thing as the axios article I quoted above: Americans are barely being screened, much less quarantined. That sounds like a state issue, in Massachusetts they did just that. Had Americans come back from China and be put into qurantine. It's amazing with a Republican Governor isn't it?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 8, 2020 19:24:04 GMT -5
Umm everyone qualifies, the money was running out so they put in more money. There is zero need to say only certain people can get it. Doing that means some people that need it might not get it. The President has said he'll keep putting in more if it's needed! Well states that aren't shutdown, aren't laying people off so why would they qualify? At the same time certain fields regardless of state are having issues, look at oil companies for example. Yeah I think they should get it to keep people employed. Nevermind just because they aren't closed now, doesn't mean they won't be if cases rise. You get this is for small businesses right? You want to hurt them because you don't like their Governor's? Oil companies are a) not small businesses, and b) not victims of Coronavirus. They are “victims” of a price war between our friend Putin and OPEC. There are tons of small oil companies in the US right now. The virus is why demand dropped and the price tanked. Then the price war started because Russia wouldn't cut output.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 19:45:56 GMT -5
Says the same thing as the axios article I quoted above: Americans are barely being screened, much less quarantined. That sounds like a state issue, in Massachusetts they did just that. Had Americans come back from China and be put into qurantine. It's amazing with a Republican Governor isn't it? But you credited Trump. I actually just consulted someone at the State department who said quarantining returning Americans is not happening. So... huh.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 20:03:01 GMT -5
No, it is because states like SC, GA, LA, IA, and others are not following the recommendations. Hell, the rightwing legislature in KS just overruled their Dem governor who had shut down religious services of 10 or more. Well, then let God send them small business relief. You realize that no one wins an election unanimously right? And I’m pretty sure no one was asking their Governor would you listen to recommendations from the Federal Government during a world pandemic during the last election. Your reasons feel like they are driven from a place of spite and despite being a Democrat who’s supposedly compassionate for those less fortunate, you want to stick it to the evil religious Republicans in these States. Even if it means the suffering of all the Democrats in those States. I just don’t understand how that aligns with what I’d guess to be your values. Then again I don’t know you so I probably shouldn’t assume. This was all in response to the Dems privileging minority owned and women owned business. If there is a finite amount of money, I definitely prefer giving money to those citizens over people who aren’t doing what’s asked of them. That doesn’t seem crazy to me. If there is enough, good, some for everyone. But is it irrational to be fed up with people like Mitch McConnell who strangles, say, Obamacare but still loves his pork and comes with hat in hand when his people need medical treatment?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2020 20:29:48 GMT -5
You realize that no one wins an election unanimously right? And I’m pretty sure no one was asking their Governor would you listen to recommendations from the Federal Government during a world pandemic during the last election. Your reasons feel like they are driven from a place of spite and despite being a Democrat who’s supposedly compassionate for those less fortunate, you want to stick it to the evil religious Republicans in these States. Even if it means the suffering of all the Democrats in those States. I just don’t understand how that aligns with what I’d guess to be your values. Then again I don’t know you so I probably shouldn’t assume. This was all in response to the Dems privileging minority owned and women owned business. If there is a finite amount of money, I definitely prefer giving money to those citizens over people who aren’t doing what’s asked of them. That doesn’t seem crazy to me. If there is enough, good, some for everyone. But is it irrational to be fed up with people like Mitch McConnell who strangles, say, Obamacare but still loves his pork and comes with hat in hand when his people need medical treatment? I feel like goal posts are being moved around. There are minority owners in the Red States you are mad at too so I’m not sure what one has to do with the other. I wasn’t getting involved in whether or not funds should be earmarked for minority owners. Feels like a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist OR a nonsolution to a problem that does exist. Quite frankly I don’t know enough about it. And no it’s not irrational to be fed up with Mitch McConnell nor is it irrational to be fed up with Nancy Pelosi. Frankly, I’m fed up with almost all of them so you won’t find me criticizing you for being Fed up with certain politicians.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Apr 8, 2020 21:24:30 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 22:08:27 GMT -5
Here's a stranded American's view. I pretty much 100% agree with the entire video and it's the reason I say it starts with the people not the government. I don't know where he is in Davao but he's likely within 3-8 miles of me as the chickens fly.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2020 22:19:32 GMT -5
Here's a stranded American's view. I pretty much 100% agree with the entire video and it's the reason I say it starts with the people noy the government. I don't know where he is in Davao but he's likely within 3-8 miles of me as the chickens fly. Can’t speak to the comparison, obviously, but I think he is right Americans are not doing great. I will say, at least where I live, the hoarding is very overrated. Yes, some food items go quickly, but thus far, with the cliché exception of paper products, there have not been any real panic runs. Maybe other areas are worse, but that is how it is here.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2020 23:34:17 GMT -5
Here's a stranded American's view. I pretty much 100% agree with the entire video and it's the reason I say it starts with the people noy the government. I don't know where he is in Davao but he's likely within 3-8 miles of me as the chickens fly. Can’t speak to the comparison, obviously, but I think he is right Americans are not doing great. I will say, at least where I live, the hoarding is very overrated. Yes, some food items go quickly, but thus far, with the cliché exception of paper products, there have not been any real panic runs. Maybe other areas are worse, but that is how it is here. I usually go to Davao 5-6 times a month but haven't been for about the last month or so but everything he said correlates with what our family friends are saying in social media about Davao so, I assume it's accurate. Our city by city tracker is down right now but there are about 60 active cases in Davao area which has a population of about 5 million. I'm totally blown away by the reaction on our island. Still no cases but everything he said is the same here as well in spite of no positive cases. The mayor says something and pretty much everyone does it. We also have volunteers at pretty much every side street along the highway stopping people and taking their temperatures, checking for masks, spraying hands before they go into the various residential areas. We just shut down all the ferries to Davao for private passengers for a week. That means most of our larger stores, banks, etc. are closed for the week since there are a large number of employees that come from Davao to work in Samal. The wet market and smaller locally run stores are still open but most you can't go in. You tell a worker out front what you want and he gets it for you. Same with our gov't offices. LOL, no paper shortages here, this is a washing country, not a wiping country. I tell my American visitors they need to carry a roll of paper while traveling in the Philippines. It's also a 220 volt country, not 110.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 9, 2020 1:40:48 GMT -5
Perspective from a Canadian friend: " We are on lock down here to and can't have any visitors also...they said it could last until July here...we won't be getting many tourist this year . Over here if you have to go out and someone is with you in the car they have to have the same address or you get a big fine...we want to go just for a short drive you know cabin fever but not allowed out of the car ...the rules are starting to get pretty bad here..How about you guys , doing good I hope..🌞 "
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 9, 2020 4:56:51 GMT -5
Here's a stranded American's view. I pretty much 100% agree with the entire video and it's the reason I say it starts with the people noy the government. I don't know where he is in Davao but he's likely within 3-8 miles of me as the chickens fly. Can’t speak to the comparison, obviously, but I think he is right Americans are not doing great. I will say, at least where I live, the hoarding is very overrated. Yes, some food items go quickly, but thus far, with the cliché exception of paper products, there have not been any real panic runs. Maybe other areas are worse, but that is how it is here. Here it’s hard to get certain things like disinfectants. Lysol spray and Clorox wipes those types of things. Toilet paper can be had but you often have to go multiple times to get it. We do mostly grocery delivery now and it’s not easy to get everything on your list but you’re certainly not going to starve.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 9, 2020 5:00:20 GMT -5
Perspective from a Canadian friend: " We are on lock down here to and can't have any visitors also...they said it could last until July here...we won't be getting many tourist this year . Over here if you have to go out and someone is with you in the car they have to have the same address or you get a big fine...we want to go just for a short drive you know cabin fever but not allowed out of the car ...the rules are starting to get pretty bad here..How about you guys , doing good I hope..🌞 " My wife and I get out of the house with our daughter whenever the weather allows. We usually just take a walk around our neighborhood and don’t go to any place there’s other people we wouldn’t be able to be far away from. It’s good to get outside. I just got my new planter boxes delivered for my vegetable garden so that will keep me busy this weekend if it’s nice. I still go to work daily during the week.
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